Perception vs. Statistics

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Jul 12 2005, 10:58 PM

You know, you bring up a very good point. Anyone would call us insane, insecure and just plain stupid if we tried to say women of a certain race had bigger tits. Thanks for the comparison, it brings things into a clearer light.
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I don't think it's a very fair analogy, since a woman can gain breast size through weight gain, while a guy can't gain penis size the same way. Body type plays a little more into it. But yeah, it's pretty silly all the same.
 

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Originally posted by aloofman+Jul 16 2005, 07:17 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(aloofman &#064; Jul 16 2005, 07:17 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Jul 12 2005, 10:58 PM

You know, you bring up a very good point. Anyone would call us insane, insecure and just plain stupid if we tried to say women of a certain race had bigger tits. Thanks for the comparison, it brings things into a clearer light.
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I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a very fair analogy, since a woman can gain breast size through weight gain, while a guy can&#39;t gain penis size the same way. Body type plays a little more into it. But yeah, it&#39;s pretty silly all the same.
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Okay, so women don&#39;t have an organ exactly analygous to the penis, the point is that we all have to endure scurtiny and body image issues, it is no worse for one gender than the other. To say that racial differences are also to be taken into consideration just grinds me a new one. If someone DID say all Indian women had huge tits, and I was one of the normal people who did not, it would hurt my self esteem more than knowing I was in the norm, like most other people. These types of stereotypes about hung blacks do the same thing. Most PEOPLE are average size, that&#39;s what average means&#33; If some study went out with the intention of proving differences and came up with a quarter of an inch, I must say I&#39;m not too impressed.
 

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Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Jul 12 2005, 12:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Jul 12 2005, 12:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-nicky9x6

Always one idiot who brings up this hoary old chestnut. So despite cholera, malaria, ebola and AIDS epidemics, the good &#39;Doctor&#39; expects us to believe that The World Health Organization is going round the world with tape measures measuring black penes. :grr: -_- -_-
Yeah right.
So, &#39;Doctor&#39; Dilznick, tell us, where exactly did you get your degree???
Making fun of my screen name. Clever. Really... who could come up with such wit? But seriously, why don&#39;t you tell us the real reason you are so fucking sensitive. Let me give you a hint.

Ahhhh. The painful memories come flooding back. Your chopstick-sized sexual organ and the shameful recollections that are resulting probably have you feeling down. Buck up lad&#33; I&#39;m sure there REALLY is a girl out there who thinks size doesn&#39;t matter.
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I must say I take exception to insults from ignorant half-wits - whether they are black, white, yellow or green.
There is some evidence that the average black penis is very slightly larger than the average white penis, but only in the flaccid state. There is a member of LPSG here who has an enormous repository of photographs of huge penes on his Yahoo Photos pages. These are 99%+ caucasian. Is that why you are so sensitive? Your racial prejudices and random jibes at fellow members really have no place in this support group. Self-reported statistics mean absolutely nothing to me, although they may be of interest to psychologists studying personality disorders. I, for one, as a long standing, and, I hope, informative and serious member of this group, would rather you confined your misinformed and insulting attacks to some group other than LPSG.
I asked you where you got your degree - that was not making fun of your screen name.
Please refrain from offensive personal remarks in future or I will have no hesitation in asking the owner of this site to review your status.
 

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Please refrain from offensive personal remarks in future or I will have no hesitation in asking the owner of this site to review your status.
Go right ahead. But please don&#39;t try to call out other people for shit that you&#39;re in blatant violation of, "idiot."
 

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Originally posted by nicky9x6@Jul 20 2005, 10:42 AM
... There is some evidence that the average black penis is very slightly larger than the average white penis, but only in the flaccid state. There is a member of LPSG here who has an enormous repository of photographs of huge penes on his Yahoo Photos pages. These are 99%+ caucasian. ...
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Whew&#33; Thanks for getting back to the facts. I tried to state exactly the same thing several pages ago, but the thread was hijacked by a lot of emotion.

I was trying to say that the myth of black men being larger came from someplace, but that, as usual, the details got lost and the myth took on a life of its own. All we remember now is "black men are hung." We don&#39;t remember that the difference in size is 1) an average taken across an entire statistical sample, and 2) is so small a difference that it means nothing in our interaction with each other. That is to say that if you look at the black guy to your left, he is more likely as close to average as the white guy to your right. x( I&#39;m not articulating well, but I think you get the point.

The study I&#39;m remembering was not a self-report, and I believe it was African Americans, not Africans, versus caucasian Americans. I&#39;m not having luck finding it on Pub-Med or other web sites. Do you have access to any of this research? I found something supporting your assertion that caucasian men are actually "larger", but I thought it was a self-reported study. Details would be good.

On another note, I hope things are well in London.
 

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Originally posted by VinceNYC+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceNYC)</div><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for getting back to the facts. [/b]



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Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Jul 20 2005, 03:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Jul 20 2005, 03:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-VinceNYC@Jul 20 2005, 12:53 PM
I found something supporting your assertion that caucasian men are actually "larger", but I thought it was a self-reported study.
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LOL, link?

Nice avatar, Dilznick. ;)
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Um, you google? http://www.sizesurvey.com/result.html
 

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Originally posted by VinceNYC+Jul 20 2005, 09:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceNYC &#064; Jul 20 2005, 09:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by ChimeraTX@Jul 20 2005, 03:42 PM
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I found something supporting your assertion that caucasian men are actually "larger", but I thought it was a self-reported study.
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LOL, link?

Nice avatar, Dilznick. ;)
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Um, you google? http://www.sizesurvey.com/result.html
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Vince, thank you very much for the link - now I hope all respondents to this thread will read the results verycarefully, and refrain from posting ridiculous generalisations in the future. :grr:
You asked about life in London at the moment: Well, one thing I have noticed is a steep increase in the number of cyclists around town - many people are genuinely scared of using public transport, it seems not without good reason.
 

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Originally posted by nicky9x6
I have no hesitation in asking the owner of this site to review your status.
So, what did MisterMark have to say? ;)


Vince, thank you very much for the link - now I hope all respondents to this thread will read the results verycarefully :grr:
Maybe you should too. Now look at the standard deviations for each group shown in Figure 5.

http://www.sizesurvey.com/fig5.gif



There is a member of LPSG here who has an enormous repository of photographs of huge penes on his Yahoo Photos pages. These are 99%+ caucasian.
Hmmm... what point exactly were you trying to make here?

I wouldn&#39;t draw too many conclusions from this study, Nicky, but if you insist... ;)
 

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It&#39;s all about standard deviation, Dr. In doctor-measured surveys, differences by race were always less than a standard deviation.

Jon (a not-quite-standard deviant)
 

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Originally posted by smallman@Jul 24 2005, 04:05 PM
keep in mind smaller and average size dudes probably get a lot less play due to their own insecurities.
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A lot of smaller and average-sized men don&#39;t carry that kind of baggage. My ex-roommate was very average, but he got laid three or four nights a week. Lack of a big cock doesn&#39;t necessarily lead to insecurity unless one allows it to.
 

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Originally posted by godiluvabig1@Jul 12 2005, 06:00 PM
I honestly don&#39;t care if any race has a "statistically larger penis..." A dick is a dick... some are big, some are small... Getting into a discussion about which race has a larger dick would be like getting into a discussion about which race has larger tits...

It seems like ya&#39;ll are attacking each other... I&#39;ve gotta say I agree with zora, and it&#39;s not to kiss ass, cuz I have no reason to, I just see her point of view, and it&#39;s from her experience... I mean why should it matter??? If you like dick, they all look the same in general (not to say some aren&#39;t more aesthetically pleasing), just some are larger than average. So why should we have this debate over whether a white dude or a black dude is more hung?
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I agree.....and for those women who prefer a black "colored" cock vs. "white" clolored cock is size the issue then?
 

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Originally posted by DoubleMeatWhopper+Jul 24 2005, 05:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DoubleMeatWhopper &#064; Jul 24 2005, 05:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-smallman@Jul 24 2005, 04:05 PM
keep in mind smaller and average size dudes probably get a lot less play due to their own insecurities.
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A lot of smaller and average-sized men don&#39;t carry that kind of baggage. My ex-roommate was very average, but he got laid three or four nights a week. Lack of a big cock doesn&#39;t necessarily lead to insecurity unless one allows it to.
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true, but i would bet more small to average size men have this hang up than larger size men.
 

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Originally posted by MMFalvey09+Jul 24 2005, 09:24 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MMFalvey09 &#064; Jul 24 2005, 09:24 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-godiluvabig1@Jul 12 2005, 06:00 PM
I honestly don&#39;t care if any race has a "statistically larger penis..." A dick is a dick... some are big, some are small... Getting into a discussion about which race has a larger dick would be like getting into a discussion about which race has larger tits...

It seems like ya&#39;ll are attacking each other... I&#39;ve gotta say I agree with zora, and it&#39;s not to kiss ass, cuz I have no reason to, I just see her point of view, and it&#39;s from her experience... I mean why should it matter??? If you like dick, they all look the same in general (not to say some aren&#39;t more aesthetically pleasing), just some are larger than average. So why should we have this debate over whether a white dude or a black dude is more hung?
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I agree.....and for those women who prefer a black "colored" cock vs. "white" clolored cock is size the issue then?
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No, usually they just don&#39;t like the white guys attatched to the white cocks.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora+Jul 24 2005, 09:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Jul 24 2005, 09:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by MMFalvey09@Jul 24 2005, 09:24 PM
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@Jul 12 2005, 06:00 PM
I honestly don&#39;t care if any race has a "statistically larger penis..."  A dick is a dick... some are big, some are small... Getting into a discussion about which race has a larger dick would be like getting into a discussion about which race has larger tits...

It seems like ya&#39;ll are attacking each other... I&#39;ve gotta say I agree with zora, and it&#39;s not to kiss ass, cuz I have no reason to, I just see her point of view, and it&#39;s from her experience... I mean why should it matter??? If you like dick, they all look the same in general (not to say some aren&#39;t more aesthetically pleasing), just some are larger than average.  So why should we have this debate over whether a white dude or a black dude is more hung?
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I agree.....and for those women who prefer a black "colored" cock vs. "white" clolored cock is size the issue then?
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No, usually they just don&#39;t like the white guys attatched to the white cocks.
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Being a white guy I find that to be a real shame. I would hope that not all of us are lumped into that classification.
 

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Originally posted by jonb
It&#39;s all about standard deviation, Dr. In doctor-measured surveys, differences by race were always less than a standard deviation.
You&#39;re talking averages, though. I&#39;m more interested in 8.5 inch plus ones. It would make sense, because you don&#39;t see that many horse-hung whites in porn (when compared to blacks). Let&#39;s not talk about East Asians.

Also, if you have evidence, present it. So far it&#39;s always been: "Back to Kinsey."
 

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Originally posted by MMFalvey09@Jul 24 2005, 09:36 PM
Being a white guy I find that to be a real shame. I would hope that not all of us are lumped into that classification.
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Yeah, sorry, I should have been more specific, I wasn&#39;t trying to slam white guys&#33;

Amoung the girls I know who prefer black guys, many have had bad experiences with a white guy or several and prefer they way black guys treat them. I don&#39;t really know a lot of girls who fall into this category, so I&#39;m only basing this on a few.

I have personally found "other ethnicity guys" are on one hand somewhat more appreciative of me, but on the other hand, somewhat more controlling. That being said, I&#39;ve never been in ANY relationship where the guy was not controlling in some capacity, and I find even a small amount completely unacceptable, hence my "single for life" status.
 

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Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Jul 25 2005, 03:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Jul 25 2005, 03:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jonb
It&#39;s all about standard deviation, Dr. In doctor-measured surveys, differences by race were always less than a standard deviation.
You&#39;re talking averages, though. I&#39;m more interested in 8.5 inch plus ones. It would make sense, because you don&#39;t see that many horse-hung whites in porn (when compared to blacks). Let&#39;s not talk about East Asians.

Also, if you have evidence, present it. So far it&#39;s always been: "Back to Kinsey."
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Actually, I was thinking of surveys by condom companies. And Masters and Johnson. And Kinsey. The only people who HAVE found that black guys are more than half an inch bigger than white guys on average just happen to also argue that penis size correlates negatively with intelligence. All the rest seem to find differences of millimetres.

As far as porn goes, there are other factors. You keep forgetting that racial stereotypes are innately part of interracial porn. And statistically speaking, if the average is similar, but you find more black guys in the 8 1/2"+ range, you&#39;ll find more black guys in the 0-3 1/2" range too. This is like statistics 101 here.