Personal add abbreviations

[invisibleman]

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You are beating people over the head with YOUR opinion of what's right for YOU, possibly gleaned through your own experiences. Millions of people have had more positive results and would heartily disagree. I wish that you could allow people to have a different opinion from yours without posting an excoriating response.

Stand back everyone. Here it comes!

Maybe, so. I am entitled to my opinion. I am free to offer it. Like I said before--a lot of younger members DO read these forums. I offered alternatives. You always have a choice. Caneadea, I am not your enemy. Don't be so defensive. You are "allowed" to have your opinion just like anyone else does. You can do what you want with your life. There are alternatives to street chems and personal ads. If you like french kissing guys who taste like nail polish remover or paint remover due to inhaling poppers, then by all means--go for it. If you like being involved with guys who are into street chems, that's fine as well. That's not very sexy to me at all. If that way of life is sexy to you, that's your pursuit of happiness--go for it. There are others who would like to know that there are alternatives. If you are into personal ads, don't bitch when people aren't what you expect. If you are into street chems, don't bitch when you are "broke ass scrub", having "addiction" problems, or "mentally and emotionally" twisted later on in life. Don't glamorize street chems and personal ads with me, Caneadea. People can save themselves a lot of trouble if they really see it coming beforehand. They do deserve that.

 

[regularguy]

Oh, guys, no need to argue over my little question. I'm very satisfied with all the answers I received--it's all very good information.

Also, to whomever corrected me, I'm very ashamed at my spelling of "ad." I Seriously can't believe I even did that. Normally I'm really smart. Honest.

 

[B_caneadea]

Maybe, so. I am entitled to my opinion. I am free to offer it. Like I said before--a lot of younger members DO read these forums. I offered alternatives. You always have a choice. Caneadea, I am not your enemy. Don't be so defensive. You are "allowed" to have your opinion just like anyone else does. You can do what you want with your life. There are alternatives to street chems and personal ads. If you like french kissing guys who taste like nail polish remover or paint remover due to inhaling poppers, then by all means--go for it. If you like being involved with guys who are into street chems, that's fine as well. That's not very sexy to me at all. If that way of life is sexy to you, that's your pursuit of happiness--go for it. There are others who would like to know that there are alternatives. If you are into personal ads, don't bitch when people aren't what you expect. If you are into street chems, don't bitch when you are "broke ass scrub", having "addiction" problems, or "mentally and emotionally" twisted later on in life. Don't glamorize street chems and personal ads with me, Caneadea. People can save themselves a lot of trouble if they really see it coming beforehand. They do deserve that.

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Please tell me how I have "glamorized" street chems and personal ads.

Your entire post is a rant of accusations which inaccurately convey the impression that I am an advocate of drugs and personal ads.

You are the one who chose to respond to a simple question by getting on your soap box and railing against the demons of personal ads and drug use.

My ONLY objection (and you should go back and read my short one sentence post) was that you preached a fire and brimstone sermon at great length when the person who started the thread merely inquired as to the meaning of several abbreviations.

And, if you go back and read HIS next post, it clearly states (in so many words) that what I said was exactly correct.

 

[invisibleman]

Oh, guys, no need to argue over my little question. I'm very satisfied with all the answers I received--it's all very good information.

Also, to whomever corrected me, I'm very ashamed at my spelling of "ad." I Seriously can't believe I even did that. Normally I'm really smart. Honest.

I am happy to have helped in some way.

 

[invisibleman]

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Please tell me how I have "glamorized" street chems and personal ads.

Your entire post is a rant of accusations which inaccurately convey the impression that I am an advocate of drugs and personal ads.

You are the one who chose to respond to a simple question by getting on your soap box and railing against the demons of personal ads and drug use.

My ONLY objection (and you should go back and read my short one sentence post) was that you preached a fire and brimstone sermon at great length when the person who started the thread merely inquired as to the meaning of several abbreviations.

And, if you go back and read HIS next post, it clearly states (in so many words) that what I said was exactly correct.

Caneadea--
I think that I've said before that maybe you felt I didn't answer in the way YOU wanted. I am no advocate for poppers and other street chems. Personally, I don't use personal ads.
There is NO way you are going to get me to say that it is all right for people to do street chems and poppers. People do whatever they want. You can do what you want with your life. Know that there are alternatives to doing street chems and poppers.
No "soap boxes" here. No "fire and brimstone" sermons. If I can persuade people who are considering doing poppers and street chems not to, I would be very, very happy. People can do what they want. You can do what you want. We will just agree that we disagree.
You don't have to prove anything to me. I don't have to prove anything to you. I am not your enemy here. I wish you understood that. I can't really believe we are arguing over something like this. But, I believe that this issue is personal for you. Do what you want. My posts were for someone who could and would listen.

 

[B_caneadea]

Caneadea--
I think that I've said before that maybe you felt I didn't answer in the way YOU wanted. I am no advocate for poppers and other street chems. Personally, I don't use personal ads.
There is NO way you are going to get me to say that it is all right for people to do street chems and poppers. People do whatever they want. You can do what you want with your life. Know that there are alternatives to doing street chems and poppers.
No "soap boxes" here. No "fire and brimstone" sermons. If I can persuade people who are considering doing poppers and street chems not to, I would be very, very happy. People can do what they want. You can do what you want. We will just agree that we disagree.
You don't have to prove anything to me. I don't have to prove anything to you. I am not your enemy here. I wish you understood that. I can't really believe we are arguing over something like this. But, I believe that this issue is personal for you. Do what you want. My posts were for someone who could and would listen.

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How can you say that your original post was not a sermon? Anyone preaching on and on and on about the evils of personal ads and drugs, is most certainly giving a sermon.

AGAIN, YOUR LITANY OF ACCUSATIONS:

Please tell me how I have "glamorized" street chems and personal ads, as you have accused me of doing.

If you don't use personal ads, as you have stated, how can you condemn them as "shit"?

When have I tried to get you "to say that it is all right for people to do street chems and personal ads"?

What have I tried "to prove" to you?

These are your exact words that I have quoted.

You are certainly bold enough to make all these baseless accusations. I think that I deserve some answers.

 

[invisibleman]

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How can you say that your original post was not a sermon? Anyone preaching on and on and on about the evils of personal ads and drugs, is most certainly giving a sermon.

AGAIN, YOUR LITANY OF ACCUSATIONS:

Please tell me how I have "glamorized" street chems and personal ads, as you have accused me of doing.

If you don't use personal ads, as you have stated, how can you condemn them as "shit"?

When have I tried to get you "to say that it is all right for people to do street chems and personal ads"?

What have I tried "to prove" to you?

These are your exact words that I have quoted.

You are certainly bold enough to make all these baseless accusations. I think that I deserve some answers.

Caneadea,

You deserve answers? I have given my answers. If you think that what I've said is baseless, preachy, and ranty, Then--what more can I say? Obviously, the street chem and personal ad issue is very personal with you. Deal with it. I am not the one with the problem. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. You are wasting your time, Caneadea. You are wasting your time. I think that my posts on this thread speak for themselves. I am not your enemy.

 

[B_caneadea]

Caneadea,

You deserve answers? I have given my answers. If you think that what I've said is baseless, preachy, and ranty, Then--what more can I say? Obviously, the street chem and personal ad issue is very personal with you. Deal with it. I am not the one with the problem. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. You are wasting your time, Caneadea. You are wasting your time. I think that my posts on this thread speak for themselves. I am not your enemy.

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You have made erroneous accusations of me, which you very conveniently ignore. Anyone here can go through your long winded posts and see that I am correct.

It seems obvious that you will never admit that you first got carried away with your sanctimonious rant. Then you proceded to invent all manner of unfounded charges against me.


Invisable, I'm going to be the better man here, by giving you the last word on this subject. Anyone can plainly see from your posts that you are blindly and obstinately judgemental. So, go ahead and get your final rant(on this thread) off your chest.

Happy New Year !

 

[invisibleman]

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You have made erroneous accusations of me, which you very conveniently ignore. Anyone here can go through your long winded posts and see that I am correct.

It seems obvious that you will never admit that you first got carried away with your sanctimonious rant. Then you proceded to invent all manner of unfounded charges against me.


Invisable, I'm going to be the better man here, by giving you the last word on this subject. Anyone can plainly see from your posts that you are blindly and obstinately judgemental. So, go ahead and get your final rant(on this thread) off your chest.

Happy New Year !

Caneadea--


So, I am sanctimonious because I want people to reconsider using street chems and inhaling poppers (Video Head Cleaner--which is also very FLAMMABLE) for the benefit of maintaining their personal welfare? I am sanctimonious because I wanted people to get out and meet people in public instead of relying on abstract and misleading personal ads? Oh I am sorry. I apologize, Caneadea for being So-o wrong. I guess men really look forward to being addicted to drugs cooked in some trailer in the woods by some street chemist. (Don't worry he will work the toxins out of his system by working out, eating healthy and drinking eight glasses of water.) Snort lots of poppers to impress the guy in bed with minty-fresh "varnish" breath. Or even worse, have such a "popper" high he has a heart attack and dies. (How glamorous. Oh, God that is REALLY hot. You know gay men really LOVE those dead hotties with varnish breath. I will stop before I make somebody bust a creamy nut thinking about it.) Oh and personal ads: Screw going out--IT IS TOO MUCH WORK. I want to kick back. Oh, I know: I will write four lines (in 30 words or less--including punctuation) describing me, my life, my job, my hobbies, my pet peeves, my hobbies, and why I don't want guys on street chems and poppers. I can do that. I will apply for jobs that way. I will compose a resume in four lines describing my work experience, education, and job skills.
I am so sorry, Caneadea for being so selfish and sanctimonious because I wanted people to go out (in public) to meet people and encourage people not do street chems (which aren't approved by the FDA--you can't sue a drug (street chem) dealer/manufacturer for adverse drug side effects--like brain death, drug -induced comas--incurred by using their product) and (highly toxic and flammable) poppers (Video Head Cleaner). I am sorry for not being an advocate of street chem and popper usage. We agree that we disagree. I am not your enemy.
Oh, Happy New Year to you as well!

 

[madame_zora]

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PNP means party and play. They want to do drugs such as crystal meth and/or cocaine during sex.

Poppers are liquid nitrates that, when the vapors are inhaled, make your heart beat very fast for about a minute or two, giving you a sense of euphoria.

NSA means no strings attached.

It's your life and your health. You decide what you want.

Invisibleman, exactly where does he endorse the use of drugs here? He explains the abbreviations then advises the reader to consider their life and health. Sounds pretty responsible to me.

 

[invisibleman]

Invisibleman, exactly where does he endorse the use of drugs here? He explains the abbreviations then advises the reader to consider their life and health. Sounds pretty responsible to me.

Caneadea's open ended neutral advice about street chem and poppers usage isn't responsible enough. Caneadea felt that I was preachy. But, you know me I am going to cover the bases. My position is this: What if someone like a teen reading his post that was considering doing street chems and poppers? (Caneadea's says: Oh, it's your life, it's your health. Do what you want.) The kid goes and does it. Something happens to that kid like he/she gets hurt doing some street chem or inhaling poppers. The kid says to his guardians. Oh I read on LPSG.org that it was okay to do street chems and poppers. He isn't going to say Invisibleman gave him/her the Okay. He/She is going to say Caneadea said (Oh it's your life. It's your health, kid--Do what you want.) What if that was your kid? Someone you actually loved?
There are alternatives to doing street chems and poppers. What I wrote wasn't bad at all. I wouldn't want nobody influencing my kid or someone I loved into street chem and poppers because of some neutrality in a guy's post.
I know you are going to side with Caneadea. That's fine. I am no advocate for street chems and popper usage. I don't do personal ads either. I don't need drugs to "enhance" my love life. I don't do personal ads. I go out and meet men naturally. I go to the men. Madame Z--I stand firm by my position. I am not here to make enemies. I am free to express my feelings. I am free to my opinions. Caneadea and I just agree to disgree with each other on this issue of street chems and popper usage, that's all. Just read the thread again from beginning to end. Truth is a multi-faceted diamond. I don't have any ill intentions.

 

[fratpack]

sounds like a lot of people have been burned by the personal ads on Criag's List...what a crock of nonsense those are but good for a laugh.

 

[cruztbone]

and is not sermonizing. PNP and the other drugs are simply bad news for your overall general health and your penis. I agree with him and thank him for saying the truth.

The healthy penis does not need , nor benefits from, anything that contaminates or interferes with blood flow to it. Fortunately, neither viagra nor cialis does either,according to recent studies (not my personal experience).

The best personal add abbreviation? easy. 50/50 rship.

 

[madame_zora]

Invisibleman, I HAVE raised a child, have you? I don't disagree with your opinion as it turns out, that those drugs are dangerous, just the methodology of presenting it. In this and all things I felt much more notice would be taken if I presented information, gave my opinion, and encouraged her to think for herself. No one can possibly be responsible for what any of the opinions or information we post here will be used for by the countless faceless readers, but ultimately it is still their parent's responisbility, not ours.

This is not an indictment, but your view, as presented, sounded like a lot of the "just say no" campaign that I find a lot of people turn a deaf ear to. In matters of sex and drugs, kids aren't as dumb as they seem. They want their minds to be respected and their abilities of discernment to be challenged. No one's going to "just not do it" because someone said so, but they might think twice if a reasonable and level headed voice says make up your own mind, but this is something worth considering.

Just my opinion, but it worked well in my house.

 

[Lex]

My parents presented the information in that way MZ, and it worked for me. I made the choice to not experiment with drugs, I used condoms when I had sex, respected the women with whom I slept, and I never did anything that could ge me locked up. Good show.

 

[invisibleman]

Invisibleman, I HAVE raised a child, have you? I don't disagree with your opinion as it turns out, that those drugs are dangerous, just the methodology of presenting it. In this and all things I felt much more notice would be taken if I presented information, gave my opinion, and encouraged her to think for herself. No one can possibly be responsible for what any of the opinions or information we post here will be used for by the countless faceless readers, but ultimately it is still their parent's responisbility, not ours.

This is not an indictment, but your view, as presented, sounded like a lot of the "just say no" campaign that I find a lot of people turn a deaf ear to. In matters of sex and drugs, kids aren't as dumb as they seem. They want their minds to be respected and their abilities of discernment to be challenged. No one's going to "just not do it" because someone said so, but they might think twice if a reasonable and level headed voice says make up your own mind, but this is something worth considering.

Just my opinion, but it worked well in my house.

Madame Z--

I know alot of people aren't going to listen. Kids sometimes don't listen because they like to find out things for themselves. Being the age of enlightenment and immortality, Kids get enamored with a lot of things. I was like that when I was a kid, teen, and I am still like that sometimes as an adult. Some adults love their highs as well. Mine is Starbucks!!! (Vanilla Bean Frappachino and the Green Tea Latte, yummm!).

Luckily, I never was a street chem kind of person. Double lucky that I was never a smoker (and I live in the Tobacco state!). I have worked in a few nightclubs (and a few raves!!!!) where both were engaged and entertained. During that time, I have met a lot of people who use street chems and/or poppers. A lot of what I've said in my first post on this thread came from my interaction with some of these guys and gals (which may seem generalized because I didn't give names [to protect their identity!!!]). I just put it (my experience) on out there--hoping that no one considers that as an alternative. Inhalants and street chems are dangerous. I didn't want to glamorize.

I agree with what you said about we aren't responsible for kids or children that happen to read what is on here. I do think that is a responsibilty of the parents. I think that we should give the best advice and answers on LPSG to people with honest, sincere questions.

 

[madame_zora]

Yeah, I remember being a kid, I thought all adults were idiots and didn't know how to have fun. I thought their only purpose in life was to make me miserable, so I didn't listen to much of what I was told. So now I take a different approach. I feel that if I preach, I'll lose my audience and my credibility, but if I just talk to then like normal human beings, they'll participate in the conversations. Little words like "What do YOU think?" help a lot with young people (or anyone, for that matter), whereas barraging them over the head is more likely to make them ignore you and think you're just another stupid adult.

People have to know how much you care before they care how much you know, you know?

edit- The most important thing (for parents) is to leave the door open for if they DO choose something you'd prefer they didn't. The last thing in the world you want is for your kids to fear talking to you about an experience they've had with drugs for fear of being punsihed. What a stupid corner we back our kids into. What they glean from this is that they're unlovable because they made a mistake. That's when they really need the calm, reasonable advice of an adult who can ask, "Now that you've tried it, how do you feel?" and REALLY listen to what they say. Same with sex, if they have to hide from you, you both lose, your relationship loses.
Remember all the weird information out there and their friends are probably the only ones they're talking to. If you want to have some input in their lives you have to BE the adult, not the loudest screamer. Your kids will love you for putting your ego aside and trying.

 

[invisibleman]

Yeah, I remember being a kid, I thought all adults were idiots and didn't know how to have fun. I thought their only purpose in life was to make me miserable, so I didn't listen to much of what I was told. So now I take a different approach. I feel that if I preach, I'll lose my audience and my credibility, but if I just talk to then like normal human beings, they'll participate in the conversations. Little words like "What do YOU think?" help a lot with young people (or anyone, for that matter), whereas barraging them over the head is more likely to make them ignore you and think you're just another stupid adult.

People have to know how much you care before they care how much you know, you know?

edit- The most important thing (for parents) is to leave the door open for if they DO choose something you'd prefer they didn't. The last thing in the world you want is for your kids to fear talking to you about an experience they've had with drugs for fear of being punsihed. What a stupid corner we back our kids into. What they glean from this is that they're unlovable because they made a mistake. That's when they really need the calm, reasonable advice of an adult who can ask, "Now that you've tried it, how do you feel?" and REALLY listen to what they say. Same with sex, if they have to hide from you, you both lose, your relationship loses.
Remember all the weird information out there and their friends are probably the only ones they're talking to. If you want to have some input in their lives you have to BE the adult, not the loudest screamer. Your kids will love you for putting your ego aside and trying.

Madame Z--

That's cool advice there. I never woulda known.

 

[invisibleman]

Hello, Caneadea--

Hey, I wanted to apologize to you however you may have felt about what I have written in this thread, "Personal Add Abbreviations". I know I probably did come across to you in your eyes as preachy. Like I have said before, I am not your enemy. I just wanted offer some advice to Reg. Guy (and maybe I didn't present it in the right way to you and others.) Whether you do or don't use street chems and/or poppers: Doesn't really matter to me. It is neither my business nor my concern.
Like I've always said that truth is like a multifaceted diamond. I can see truth from other people's eyes. Anyways, I am sorry if I made you feel bad in the whole process. Again, I am not an enemy here. I guess the passion and my enthusiasm had gotten the better of me.

Take it easy and Happy New Year!
Invisibleman

 

[sexycobra]

People have to know how much you care before they care how much you know, you know?

Wow. This is a great sentence to remember. Seriously. It applies to so many things in life. Thanks madame_zora.