Phimosis - Wider Issue That Medical World Know?

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As a long time LPSG member and purveyor of literally tens of thousands of home shot videos I have noticed that the number of guys with foreskins that they are not able to pull back fully, sometimes even partially, is probably far greater than the medical fraternity estimate.

I suffer from partial phimosis/frenulum breve, so it particularly resonates with me. As a very shy, insecure teenager and young adult, with no sexual experience whatsoever up until I accepted that I was gay in my early 20s, plus little to no access to porn (we are talking mid-90s here), I did not even know there was anything wrong with my foreskin.

Seems there is the need for greater education on the matter at schools in countries where circumcision is not the norm.
 

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As it is now known, lifelong regular masturbation prevents the risk of prostate cancer because the prostate is always well-washed. In addition, through masturbation, you get to know your body well and can then very well deal with its sexuality. Therefore, masturbation should be taught at school.:)
 

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I agree with both of you, it should be taught in school that’s its good to do as teens for both boys and girls but also how your foreskin should react and to ask your dad if it does not function like your told! Might help kids open up a bit and get things looked after soon so they grow up fully functional!
 

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I suspect the incidence of phimosis, even if partial, is less that GPs would generally suppose because the people who come forward to see their doctor about it will only be those that have noticed that it is a problem for them and had an idea that other men did not have the same issue. In that respect it is a bit like hyperspermia which we also recently discussed as doctors would generally only see those for whom it caused fertility issues.

On the other hand it is almost certainly less than what you would think from reading on-line forums, including this one, and for a similar, or you might say opposite, reason in that those who have a problem are more likely to be discussing this on-line whereas large numbers of uncut men with no phimosis see no need to boast about their normal penises on-line.

I do think the answer is education so, at a minimum, they should understand that it is supposed to fully retract. Obviously this could be part of a wider discussion including masturbation. But then it is also necessary to understand about how the foreskin gradually separates from the glands and what to expect at what age.

The final point is to make the point that sexual functioning is something one can go to the doctor about. In the past one might have got the response that unless one has a partner there would be no need for the doctor to resolve sexual issues, but I think things have moved on and doctors these days would be happy to help.
 
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Percentage of men with phimosis has increased due to anti circers.
Originally, to battle the argument that caring for uncut was harder, the anti circers argued parents shoudl never retract their son's foreskin. (which means just as easy to wash/care for). The "proper" advise is to necer foresfully retract. But not retracting at all increases the odds of boy entering puberty with phimosis and growth of glans makes phimosis permant into adulthood.

The more rabid anti circers have argued phimosis was perfectly normal, some say iut is desirable since you glans is always protected, even during sex etc.

Another side effect of anti circers is that doctors in many countries now delay circumcisions, prescribing the magical creams that don't work on adults because they are told to avoid unnecessary circumcisions. The end result is many men remain with unretractable foreskins into adulthood.

Note that during pre-anti-circ days, ages 7 to 10 were often the "limits" for retraction, and if you couldn't chances were high you got circumcised, so very few with phimosis reached puberty with foreskin, as so as adults, you ratrely saw it. Side effect: those with long foreskins were more likel to bve cut before puberty.
 
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I think it is a combination of lack of proper sex ed and general aversion to circumcision (which remains the most effective, least costly and quickest way to treat most of the medium to severe cases of phimosis). I’m surprised at the number of guys not having been told how to take care of their foreskins or when to seek help. Many just assume they don’t need to fully retract. And among those that are aware they might need help, most I met are reluctant to get circumcised even after failing to sort it out non surgically (I think the intactivist movement is to blame for this - opposing RIC but ending up discouraging actually beneficial adult circumcisions).
 
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Percentage of men with phimosis has increased due to anti circers.
Originally, to battle the argument that caring for uncut was harder, the anti circers argued parents shoudl never retract their son's foreskin. (which means just as easy to wash/care for). The "proper" advise is to necer foresfully retract. But not retracting at all increases the odds of boy entering puberty with phimosis and growth of glans makes phimosis permant into adulthood.

The more rabid anti circers have argued phimosis was perfectly normal, some say iut is desirable since you glans is always protected, even during sex etc.

Another side effect of anti circers is that doctors in many countries now delay circumcisions, prescribing the magical creams that don't work on adults because they are told to avoid unnecessary circumcisions. The end result is many men remain with unretractable foreskins into adulthood.

Note that during pre-anti-circ days, ages 7 to 10 were often the "limits" for retraction, and if you couldn't chances were high you got circumcised, so very few with phimosis reached puberty with foreskin, as so as adults, you ratrely saw it. Side effect: those with long foreskins were more likel to bve cut before puberty.
So many false arguments here. First of all, I think you are seriously over-estimating the power of the "anti circer" movement. The views and opinions you see on LPSG are a small echo-chamber that are not indicative of what society at large thinks.

Doctors do not delay circumcisions because of any activists lol, what on earth are you talking about?. Doctors do what they feel is best for the patient and what the patient desires - if anything doctors WANT patients to undergo a surgery like circumcision because it is more money for them. And these "magical creams" you make fun of do work a lot of times btw. They were, after all, tested through years of R&D and human trials at some point...

Lastly, I don't have a circumcision fetish like you but I also don't have a foreskin fetish like some others. I just find circumcision status to be interesting. Point is, we here at LPSG give too much thought about these things and this leads to crazy conclusions like the one you just outlined.
 
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As a long time LPSG member and purveyor of literally tens of thousands of home shot videos I have noticed that the number of guys with foreskins that they are not able to pull back fully, sometimes even partially, is probably far greater than the medical fraternity estimate.

I suffer from partial phimosis/frenulum breve, so it particularly resonates with me. As a very shy, insecure teenager and young adult, with no sexual experience whatsoever up until I accepted that I was gay in my early 20s, plus little to no access to porn (we are talking mid-90s here), I did not even know there was anything wrong with my foreskin.

Seems there is the need for greater education on the matter at schools in countries where circumcision is not the norm.

I will echo some of what I said above. I think what you're seeing is an instance of the confirmation bias. You watch home shot videos and browsing LPSG forums, therefore you are more likely to see guys talk about or showcase their phimosis or whatever foreskin status they have. This is not truly representative of what people outside these niche groups are like.
 
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Please see my advice blog: How to Cure tight foreskin and how to maximise penis size

I believe damage to the penis because of excessive masturbation can cause phimosis. My advice is make sure your penis isnt damaged and you can get erections. Sleep erections are important - they last around 2 hours in total so it is important that blood is filling the penis to full capacity to maximise the stretching process that occurs during these long lasting sleep erections. Things you can do are: be slim and exercise, dont masturbate too much (once every 3 or 4 days), dont wear underwear to allow penis to get fully erect and expand during sleep..
 
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Doctors do not delay circumcisions because of any activists lol, what on earth are you talking about?. Doctors do what they feel is best for the patient and what the patient desires - if anything doctors WANT patients to undergo a surgery like circumcision because it is more money for them. And these "magical creams" you make fun of do work a lot of times btw. They were, after all, tested through years of R&D and human trials at some point.

Here in the UK you would almost certainly not find your doctor rushing to recommend surgery for phimosis as the first line of treatment. Bear in mind that one would normally initially see a GP and GPs are not surgeons.

There is also a principle in medicine here that one adopts the least invasive treatment that is effective. That means if something can be treated by education or lifestyle changes then that is what happens and much has been made recently on "non-medical prescriptions", i.e. a kind of "doctors orders". If that would not be effective for the patient's particular complaint, or fails, then drugs will usually be the next tactic if there is something suitable. Only if the ailment can only reasonably be treated with surgery, or if drugs are horrendously expensive and the surgery is routine (and therefore cheap) would surgery be the first choice of treatment.

And none of that has anything to do with the anti-circumcision movement because, in the UK, the majority of the population are not circumcised anyway. On the other hand, the fact that routine infant circumcision is not the norm here does make sure that circumcision does count as real surgery, albeit minor, in the way it fits into ideas of relative invasiveness.

Ultimately, if for the particular patient, circumcision is the only thing that would be effective then GPs are prepare to refer to the patient for it, but just like any treatment for an adult this is all subject to patient consent.
 

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Here in the UK you would almost certainly not find your doctor rushing to recommend surgery for phimosis as the first line of treatment. Bear in mind that one would normally initially see a GP and GPs are not surgeons.

There is also a principle in medicine here that one adopts the least invasive treatment that is effective. That means if something can be treated by education or lifestyle changes then that is what happens and much has been made recently on "non-medical prescriptions", i.e. a kind of "doctors orders". If that would not be effective for the patient's particular complaint, or fails, then drugs will usually be the next tactic if there is something suitable. Only if the ailment can only reasonably be treated with surgery, or if drugs are horrendously expensive and the surgery is routine (and therefore cheap) would surgery be the first choice of treatment.

And none of that has anything to do with the anti-circumcision movement because, in the UK, the majority of the population are not circumcised anyway. On the other hand, the fact that routine infant circumcision is not the norm here does make sure that circumcision does count as real surgery, albeit minor, in the way it fits into ideas of relative invasiveness.

Ultimately, if for the particular patient, circumcision is the only thing that would be effective then GPs are prepare to refer to the patient for it, but just like any treatment for an adult this is all subject to patient consent.
Well, circumcision rates in the UK are probably much, much higher than official stats because the (increasingly larger) Muslim population usually doesn't circumcise through the NHS - they go to private clinics.

I'm not sure how it works in the UK but if someone is having a persistent issue with their foreskin, they would probably stop seeing the GP and see a specialist like a urologist or dermatologist instead? I know that's the case here in the US and in Continental Europe... people go straight to see specialists. And specialists do perform surgeries, so they technically stand to benefit from recommending a surgical option.
 

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I believe damage to the penis because of excessive masturbation can cause phimosis. My advice is make sure your penis isnt damaged and you can get erections. Sleep erections are important - they last around 2 hours in total so it is important that blood is filling the penis to full capacity to maximise the stretching process that occurs during these long lasting sleep erections. Things you can do are: be slim and exercise, dont masturbate too much (once every 3 or 4 days), dont wear underwear to allow penis to get fully erect and expand during sleep..

It certainly makes sense that damage won't help. Skin that is scarred and fibrous does not stretch well. On the other I don't think one has to do as little masturbation as that to avoid damage. During the time my penis was growing and my foreskin adapting to the new size I was masturbating 2-3 times/day and I didn't end up with phimosis.
 
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Please see my advice blog: How to Cure tight foreskin and how to maximise penis size

I believe damage to the penis because of excessive masturbation can cause phimosis. My advice is make sure your penis isnt damaged and you can get erections. Sleep erections are important - they last around 2 hours in total so it is important that blood is filling the penis to full capacity to maximise the stretching process that occurs during these long lasting sleep erections. Things you can do are: be slim and exercise, dont masturbate too much (once every 3 or 4 days), dont wear underwear to allow penis to get fully erect and expand during sleep..
Okay this is so inaccurate it's almost funny. How does masturbation cause phimosis? If anything, it has the opposite effect because the movement stretch the skin every way making it more flexible.
 

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Okay this is so inaccurate it's almost funny. How does masturbation cause phimosis? If anything, it has the opposite effect because the movement stretch the skin every way making it more flexible.

Indeed it may help with stretching. I think to damage it one would have to either tug too hard or pull it right to the limit, repeatedly for long periods of time. So I think one could do some damage by masturbating but most people probably don't. After all, it's meant to be a pleasure so no point in doing something painful or leaving yourself sore.
 

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Well, circumcision rates in the UK are probably much, much higher than official stats because the (increasingly larger) Muslim population usually doesn't circumcise through the NHS - they go to private clinics.

The Muslim population varies tremendously. In some cities there are big Muslim districts, in other hardly any. They are still a minority.

I'm not sure how it works in the UK but if someone is having a persistent issue with their foreskin, they would probably stop seeing the GP and see a specialist like a urologist or dermatologist instead? I know that's the case here in the US and in Continental Europe... people go straight to see specialists. And specialists do perform surgeries, so they technically stand to benefit from recommending a surgical option.

It very much depends on who pays. If you want the NHS to pay then you need your GP to refer you. GPs hold a budget - they are paid a certain amount of money per patient and from that they have to buy the services of any specialists required as well as prescribed drugs etc. Emergency treatment, including hospital stays and operations that result, is funded separately.
 

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The Muslim population varies tremendously. In some cities there are big Muslim districts, in other hardly any. They are still a minority.
They are still a minority but they are significant, especially with much higher birthrates than native Brits. And circumcision is universal among all of them, so it stands to reason the actual circumcision rate in the UK is a big underestimate.
 

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Physical changes through long years of masturbation? I am now 75 years old, uncircumcised and have masturbated 27,686 times regularly since I started. I noticed early on that my penis had adapted to the masturbation hand. This means that the penis has twisted to the left and lies in the left hand as if made for it. I have to say that I masturbated with my left hand from when I started to around 30 years old. So that was at the time when the penis was still growing. Has anyone noticed this or similar effects? In addition, the foreskin has remained nice and flexible due to the constant masturbation and lies well against the glans.
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SFirst of all, I think you are seriously over-estimating the power of the "anti circer" movement.

Doctors do not delay circumcisions because of any activists lol.

In Canada, and especially in Québec, doctors are instucted to try the creams etc before a circumcision can be justified. So yes, they discourage it because the government only pays for circumcision that are truly justified after others attempts have been made. The anti-circers in the 1980s are the ones who sparked the change at the government level. (note that in Québec, circumcision had not become "Universal" but was quite popular in cities).

The other aspect is that parents are incluenced by anti circers who tell them to not retract their boy's foreskin, not wash it, that it is self cleaning etc. And when boys start to go on the internet, they see anti circer arguments that the foreksin doesn't need to retrtact etc, so they think they are normal. And when they read that smegma is lubricant and all sort of other fake advantages, they don't care about washing.

Note: in some radios shows that discuss it, you often hear a women discuss an experience with a youngt man who hadn't llearned to retract and wash. So the lack of proper hygiene education is real. (in fairness, if the dad is cut, he has no clue what needs to be done and will beleive what he reads on the Internet).