D_Sheffield Thongbynder
Experimental Member
Stronzo said:John,
Here's how I feel about it.
If they sign it they ought to have read it thoroughly first and known it was going to be a matter of public record. It was right there for them to read. I saw a copy of the petition too. What rights of theirs are being violated? Their right to ignorance only I'd warrant. They simply want to deny more of the rights they already take for granted to us foolish superfluous fags.
KnowThyNeighbor is an activist site and it and other mindful organizations like it will, I dare say, end this shit once and for all.
Beyond that why wouldn't these ardent detractors have the courage of their conviction if indeed they can substantiate them? I say (much as Zora has suggested about pms here) that if you're gonna write it? Own it.
But beyond all that it illustrates the cowardice of those who signed and have taken issue with the thing being published. As DC said. I'd rather they walked right up to me and said "hey Stronzo. You know I like you and what's-his-name that guy you fuck. But let's get real. My marriage is seen as legitimate in the eyes of God. You're second rate. Surely you know that, don't you?"
Then I could just punch their lights out. Done.
But most telling of all is the fact that the 4 people (signers of that petition) to whom I've sent that link who were purported friends of mine not a single one of them has written me to explain how they could think of me in such a marginalized way. Where's the courage in that? Where's the fairness in that? These fuckers want to kick me to the curb and then make nice as they say "oh aren't you two adorable together".
The fuck they will.
I've been accused, during my hiatus from this site, as having an "agenda" by several. It's right there in that "Stronzo's been banned" thread. It's true too. I do have one. So does my ex-brother-in-law's wife who signed that nasty prohibitive petition. But unlike her I'm willing to stand behind my thoughts and actions and support them with reason and fairness on my best days.
Friends and colleagues? Let's face it head-on: We all have an agenda. It's just how able we are to legitimize that agenda that's really in play here.
Lex?
I just walked off the beach..........:redface:
I think Matthew Shepherd would probably disagree with that statement as would those who took a hatchet to the face last February at "Puzzles" the gay bar near metropolitan Boston.
Stronzo, by gay bashing I didn't mean manhandling them; I meant vilifying gays, denying them rights because of "inferior status, " etc.
I don't necessarily disagree with what you say above. You're right: Most people will not stand behind their opinions in public, but they will still hold them and find some way, probably much worse than signing a document, to express them. I'd rather a homophobe sign a petition to show his antipathy to gays that beat him up. In all honesty, Stronzo, other than finding out where you stood with those so-called friends and a few family members, what do you think was accomplished by that exposure of the petition? IMO, all it accomplished was that a bunch more people will be even angrier and intolerant because they feel a sense of betrayal (justified ot not). That is not an effective means towards enlightenment.