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Yeah but the point I'm making is why are you casting doubt on her story but not on the stories that put PP in a good light?

Because some stories are more rational than others and the weight of evidence is on the side of the "good light" stories.
 

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That's disingenuous. Funding is fungible, so whatever public money they receive ostensibly for other purposes offsets what they have to pay for abortions from their own funds. If public money goes to PP, in other words, then the public is supporting abortions indirectly.
Do some research ok? PP has been very transparent about what their funding goes toward and NONE of the money that they receive from the government goes toward abortions. NONE OF IT. I've done my research. And you know what? You don't have a uterus. You don't get a say on it.
I keep out of the political forum for a reason.
Don't bring your political ploys here.
You want to side with someone whose post history is outlandish and full of shit, go ahead, but don't go making accusations about me.
Fuck off.
And besides, that wasn't what my original post was even about, if you read it.
I said REGARDLESS about what your stance is on abortions - why would you want to possibly deny health services to both MEN AND WOMEN who couldn't afford it - just because you don't support abortions. It's cutting your nose off to spite your face. But hey, you only read what you want to read. I don't expect much else.


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Do some research ok? PP has been very transparent about what their funding goes toward and NONE of the money that they receive from the government goes toward abortions. NONE OF IT. I've done my research. And you know what? You don't have a uterus. You don't get a say on it.

You didn't understand my point. If PP gets money to pay for non-abortion services, that still leaves them more money from their own funds to pay for abortions. The entire organization DOES provide abortions, so public support for PP effectively means support for abortions, even if indirectly.

And if it involves my money as a taxpayer, then it IS my business and I DO have a say. Your uterus doesn't entitle you to other people's stuff.

I keep out of the political forum for a reason.
Don't bring your political ploys here.

If you don't want a political discussion, don't make a political post.

You want to side with someone whose post history is outlandish and full of shit, go ahead, but don't go making accusations about me.
Fuck off.
And besides, that wasn't what my original post was even about, if you read it.
I said REGARDLESS about what your stance is on abortions - why would you want to possibly deny health services to both MEN AND WOMEN who couldn't afford it - just because you don't support abortions. It's cutting your nose off to spite your face. But hey, you only read what you want to read. I don't expect much else.

If you really cared about PP continuing to provide non-abortion services, you should be the first to pressure them into abandoning their more controversial activities that are jeopardizing their public funding.
 

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You didn't understand my point. If PP gets money to pay for non-abortion services, that still leaves them more money from their own funds to pay for abortions. The entire organization DOES provide abortions, so public support for PP effectively means support for abortions, even if indirectly.

And if it involves my money as a taxpayer, then it IS my business and I DO have a say. Your uterus doesn't entitle you to other people's stuff.



If you don't want a political discussion, don't make a political post.



If you really cared about PP continuing to provide non-abortion services, you should be the first to pressure them into abandoning their more controversial activities that are jeopardizing their public funding.


I didn't make a political post.
You really must be illiterate, again I said REGARDLESS OF THE ABORTION SERVICES THEY PROVIDE WHY WOULD THEY BE DEFUNDED WHEN THEY PROVIDE SO MANY OTHER AMAZING SERVICES TO PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD THEM.
DO you speak ENGLISH?

Your precious tax payer money doesn't go towards abortions.
I'm done with you.
You clearly are a stubborn blockhead who can't see past his nose.
 

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I didn't make a political post.
You really must be illiterate, again I said REGARDLESS OF THE ABORTION SERVICES THEY PROVIDE WHY WOULD THEY BE DEFUNDED WHEN THEY PROVIDE SO MANY OTHER AMAZING SERVICES TO PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD THEM.
DO you speak ENGLISH?

Your precious tax payer money doesn't go towards abortions.
I'm done with you.
You clearly are a stubborn blockhead who can't see past his nose.
LOL
 

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Ok well here's my take. I don't personally believe this Catholic mother story of PP telling her to just abort. I think it's highly possible your conservative, Catholic mother probably told you that. And maybe not even as an intentional lie. Maybe as a young, scared, confused girl, she misunderstood what they were saying. And even if one would concede that maybe that was just a case of one PP employee mishandling a situation, you still don't cut off the face to spite the nose. Even if this one case was actually exactly as this poster claims, it still doesn't mean we should shut down PP.

I'm a poor college student living in the land of poor college students. You know what I've gotten there? Condoms. Free STD testing. (Heard a rumor about a girl that turned out false, but better safe than sorry.) Educational programs. Girls I know have gone and gotten birth control. A pregnant girl I know went there for counseling and to chart a plan of action. One would think a person would be happy that they provide these services and education to prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place. And more education services to women who do end up pregnant.

What I find most troubling about this is that people believed those inflammatory videos. Even after a GOP-led inquisition found no wrong doing, and found no evidence of the claims those videos made, people still buy it. And a judge has ordered that group to stop releasing those videos. I also find it really, incredibly telling that people are trying to outright shut it down, rather than just prevent the abortion aspect of it. If you're trying to stop abortion, why are you trying to shut down PP as a whole? Unless there might be some other ulterior motives. Probably because Catholics don't believe in birth control and condoms, and other Christian conservatives like to meddle in people's personal affairs. But I digress.

The point is that one person's personal anecdote about her mother - which may or may not be factual - doesn't matter. I have 20 anecdotes that are good about PP that don't involve abortion in the slightest. And I said this on another thread, but banning abortion isn't going to solve anything. What it's going to do is force women to find shady, underground places that will still operate illegally, go across the border, or do it themselves in their bathrooms. Or toss a baby in a dumpster. Never mind that that lady could have had a legal, safe abortion. Never mind that she could have gone to PP and had counseling and decided to keep the baby. The conservative argument against banning guns is that it won't matter, people will still get their hands on guns. But they can't apply that same logic to abortion? They want to force some unwed, financially unstable, single mother to have a baby. But then when she goes on welfare, they cut her funding and call her lazy. And cutting out PP is only going to lead to more of that, because financially unstable people could get free birth control and condoms. I don't understand the logic in the social policies there. Huge care about the fetus, and make sure that thing gets born! But only if it grows up to be a straight, white, financially independent male. Once that baby's born, all bets are off.
 

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Other than killing babies. Many Many Many other services and origination's preform the same services as PP, and FREE. Look around.
They actually don't. That's the point.
Many other services DO NOT accept medicaid. Many men and women would be at a disservice if funding were to be cut.
I won't even address the baby statement, but there is a significant difference between a cluster of cells/embryo/fetus and an actual sentient being baby.
 

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They actually don't. That's the point.
Many other services DO NOT accept medicaid. Many men and women would be at a disservice if funding were to be cut.
I won't even address the baby statement, but there is a significant difference between a cluster of cells/embryo/fetus and an actual sentient being baby.
You won't even address it and then you address it.

The point is people differ on the question of whether an embryo/fetus is different from a baby. There isn't any clear cutoff between the two, which is why it's such a fraught issue. My personal opinion is that abortion should be freely available until the baby can survive outside the womb and then it should only be allowed to preserve the mother's life. But others disagree, and I guess I'm old-fashioned and believe that people shouldn't be forced to pay for things their consciences disagree with. That's why I don't believe in federal funding for PP, at least not while PP provides abortions (my impression is aside from abortions, most people support what PP does). And yes, I know that federal money can't itself be used to fund abortions, but you're still supporting an organization that does abortions so it's an indirect form of support. The argument that the money itself can't be earmarked for abortions isn't particularly persuasive if you're seriously pro-life.
 

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You won't even address it and then you address it.

The point is people differ on the question of whether an embryo/fetus is different from a baby. There isn't any clear cutoff between the two, which is why it's such a fraught issue. My personal opinion is that abortion should be freely available until the baby can survive outside the womb and then it should only be allowed to preserve the mother's life. But others disagree, and I guess I'm old-fashioned and believe that people shouldn't be forced to pay for things their consciences disagree with. That's why I don't believe in federal funding for PP, at least not while PP provides abortions (my impression is aside from abortions, most people support what PP does). And yes, I know that federal money can't itself be used to fund abortions, but you're still supporting an organization that does abortions so it's an indirect form of support. The argument that the money itself can't be earmarked for abortions isn't particularly persuasive if you're seriously pro-life.
You can't differ on science.
 

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Wait, what about my tax money that goes to fund wars? What about my tax money that gets used in frivolous lawsuits against other members of the government? What about my tax money that goes to fund another inquisition into Benghazi only to turn up no wrong doing again? What about gay people's tax money to a government that doesn't fully allow them all the benefits of said government? I do agree there needs to be a cut-off date for abortions. "X" amount of weeks in, or whatever. But defunding Planned Parenthood completely isn't the answer.
 

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LOL science has nothing to say on the matter. It's an ethical and philosophical issue, not a scientific one.
Science says what is an embryo, what is a fetus, etc.
Wait, what about my tax money that goes to fund wars? What about my tax money that gets used in frivolous lawsuits against other members of the government? What about my tax money that goes to fund another inquisition into Benghazi only to turn up no wrong doing again? What about gay people's tax money to a government that doesn't fully allow them all the benefits of said government? I do agree there needs to be a cut-off date for abortions. "X" amount of weeks in, or whatever. But defunding Planned Parenthood completely isn't the answer.
Yeah, and what about my taxes that pay for a man's cialis and viagra but my health insurance wouldn't cover my medically necessary birth control pill that covers intense mood swings, that without I feel like killing myself?
Cmon. I put this in women's issues because I wanted to keep it focused ON THE ISSUES OF WOMEN. NOT THE POLITICS so thanks LONG AND SKINNY for fucking that up you're a peach.

But hey, after months of this horrible site change, I finally learned how to multiquote.
So there's that.
 
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Wait, what about my tax money that goes to fund wars? What about my tax money that gets used in frivolous lawsuits against other members of the government? What about my tax money that goes to fund another inquisition into Benghazi only to turn up no wrong doing again? What about gay people's tax money to a government that doesn't fully allow them all the benefits of said government? I do agree there needs to be a cut-off date for abortions. "X" amount of weeks in, or whatever. But defunding Planned Parenthood completely isn't the answer.
This is also why I oppose all those foreign ventures. ;)
 

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Science says what is an embryo, what is a fetus, etc.

Yeah, and what about my taxes that pay for a man's cialis and viagra but my health insurance wouldn't cover my medically necessary birth control pill that covers intense mood swings, that without I feel like killing myself?
Cmon. I put this in women's issues because I wanted to keep it focused ON THE ISSUES OF WOMEN. NOT THE POLITICS so thanks LONG AND SKINNY for fucking that up you're a peach.

But hey, after months of this horrible site change, I finally learned how to multiquote.
So there's that.
LOL. And what exactly are specifically non-political "issues of women" that you hoped to discuss with respect to PP funding? That's right, there are none. It's an intrinsically political issue and you can't reasonably have expected any non-political discussion to have arisen out of it.

If you don't want to get burned, don't play with fire.
 
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Uh..@Serial Kisser;
What is so scary about the Political Forum? What you have here is predominantly males on the "Women's Issues" thread spouting Male Opinions..