Plasma Donations // unprotected sex with gay men

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  1. B_Think_Kink

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    I was talking to gay friend of mine about when he went to donate plasma and was turned down being told that "any person who has ever had unprotected sex with a gay male, is not ever allowed to donate".

    So my questions lies in the that statement. I understand the stages of HIV development, or at least I think I do, and that makes sense to me. But what if someone has consistently tested negative for HIV over a year period? or a two year period? Why are those people never allowed to donate?

    Scenario:
    I had unprotected sex with my gay best friend, after he had sex with his tested boyfriend. Now, I haven't been tested (I know shame on me, I'm going Tuesday), but if I test negative over a period of whatever time, do I have to say I had sex with a gay male? Or should I just not worry about donating, and give up the idea? I have O+ blood, but we only host blood donations here every little while, and I'm wondering if they have the same rules.

    Can someone please explain this to me, I tried to do a search, but didn't get anything all that helpful to me.
     
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    This has been a point of contention here in South Africa, the difference though, is that gay people were not able to make donations, even if they used a condom. Gay rights activists took this issue to the Constitution Court, where they won and gay people are now allowed to donate blood if they have abstained from sex for six months and are HIV negative.
     
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    Our very own DeeBlackthorne ran into difficulties recently when attmepting a plasma donation here in the U.S. and created a thread on it which will give you some additional information. The bottom line is the screening process and prejudices of people ban anybody who ever even looked at a homosexual from ever donating blood or plasma.

    His thread can be found here: http://www.lpsg.org/et-cetera-et-cetera/43772-giving-plasma-and-getting-embarrassed.html
     
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    Sorry to sound dense, but if I come back negative. Hypothetically, in my defence, can't I say I didn't know he had slept with another male?

    I'm just trying to get a super good understanding of this....

    Basically for me to donate... yes or no... is it ever possible?
     
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    Another thought.... would they even ask a female if they had had sex with a gay male?
     
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    I'm still amazed that the question is asked at all given that HIV transmission rates among Homosexuals is lower than Heterosexuals. At least in Europe. What about IV drug users etc etc.

    They'll test the blood anyway so why bother asking. It's just another embedded prejudice that's allowed to be perpetuated.
     
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    Well, it's not possible under current guidelines if you are fully honest--If you are clean and feel comfortable, then I would advocate denying having ever heard of homosexuals (since that might disqualify you with the inane thought processes of the blood fools.) I have considered lying through my tooth and saying I'm 1000% prancing dancing hetero and then show them photos of the children and grandchildren; but, my magenta halter top:eek: might give me away (or when I make goo-goo eyes at the male intake person).

    I don't know, since I am a male. Perhaps some of the ladies here will answer this one.

    Ain't this new century grand? more than a quarter of a century in and people are still ignorant. Also look at the stats of Senior citizens croaking from this (AIDS)because they figure they're all safe. It makes me want to scream.
     
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    Don't know the situation in Canada, in the US, it is handled by the Red Cross, a private non profit corporation, there is no federal law against discrimination.
     
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    Wow... are you from the future? :biggrin1:


    If the embedded prejudice were to be perfect, anyone having unprotected sex with any gender is counted out. Zero tolerance. No timeframes.

    Here's a link to the Canadian Blood Services site - the "What You Must Know to Give Blood/Plasma" links on this page are to .pdf brochures with their screening policy.
     
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    I don't donate anymore after the Red Cross wasted a bunch of blood because people wanted to do something, anything after 911.

    I found out the blood products are sold for about $200 a pint and all I ever got is a juice or soda and some lousy cookies.

    I can't believe we are still using actual blood and blood products for infusion. If we all quit donating for free, I'm sure they'd have artificial blood products out in a jiffy. They already exist.
     
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    Wouldn't it be less risky to just make it themselves?
     
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    Well at risk of starting another battle royale with the OP. I will go out on a limb and say, No, they will not ask a female who appears to be heterosexual if she has had sex unprotected or otherwise with a homosexual male.

    I'm sure they don't ask straight men if they have had sex with HIV+ lesbians either.

    Call it prejudice, ignorance, or whatever but the assumption is that heterosexual men and women do not engage in sexual activities with homosexuals of either sex.
     
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    This is where it starts to get ridiculous.

    I have had sex with a few men who identify as straight, but have had sex with men. The last time I did this was over 10 years ago. I have been monogamous for the last 7 years. I have tested negative for HIV.

    But I officially can't donate blood because I've had sex with someone that has engaged in MSM activity. Or at least this is how I understand the rules.

    However, Mrs. X, whose husband is having unsafe affairs with men that she doesn't know about, can and will donate.

    The rules are based on the honor system, i.e. that people don't lie to each other about who they are having sex with, and that people won't lie to folks drawing the blood. This simply doesn't work.

    The rules are also terribly prejudiced and based on science that is, at best, shaky.

    I don't get it. I'd love to see exactly what these rules are based on in 2007 other than, "this seemed like a good idea in 1985."
     
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    But? if I appear as what else might they suspect it? Like cross dresser maybe type thing?

    But your last point made is clearly not the case anymore. Males, and females both turn to eachother a lot more than is known.
     
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    TK, I know that you are interersted in "doing the right thing" and helping people in desperate need; I also know that if you are 0+ then you are in a position to do it.

    However, it may be more ethical to simply go in to donate, and say "yes, I have had sex with a gay male" and see if they still allow you to donate. Of course, we both know that being ethical, you will turn them down no matter what their answer. If they say they WILL take your blood, it's kinda slimey of them to take yours but deny someone else's based on equal criteria. If they say they won't take your blood, well, why lie to them and give it when they don't want it?

    Also, are organ donations still taken from gay men, does anyone know? If they won't take blood, why would they take other tissues?
     
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    Propaganda.
     
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    Kink, I have donated blood a few times, and I seem to recall that the question asks " have you had unprotected sex with a member of the same sex" and there is a follow up question that asks if you have been tested/how recently.

    I would just tell them as well, I can't imagine they don't go through testing the blood for HIV etc anyways.
     
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    Last time I donated was following 9-11. At that time, I had not had sex with and man and I had also not had a fresh tattoo in years (another screening question).

    It's ridiculous to say that I can not give blood as I enagage in safe MM sex when my blood type is O. Jeff--I have never seen the subquestion that asks for the last status test you took for HIV.

    As Snoozan pointed out, the questions rely on people telling the truth and knowing the status of their partners. And we know that when the questions involve alcohol/durg use and/or sex, people LIE.

    HIV testing should be a routine part of all annual physicals for men and women. Most people don't tell their partners about their status as they do not know. Stopping thre spread of the virus (and ALL STDs) is the responsibility of every sexually active person on the planet.
     
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    I should have clairified better... It was asked verbally during that period where you sit there while the nurse looks over your sheet and responses.
     
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    ohhhh ethics.. I could always tell the truth.. it will make for a good facial reaction from the nurse too...
     
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