Plus?

[Ruth-less]

i'd rather be 'plus' than 'real' or whatever marketing friendly label they're putting on it these days...
hey I'd rather be in 'chunky' than 'real'

 

[Dawillis01]

There was a big issue about the famous hungarian model, Barbara Palvin's SI pictures, lots of people considers her plump or fat...

Just dunno why...

 

[TexanStar]

There was a big issue about the famous hungarian model, Barbara Palvin's SI pictures, lots of people considers her plump or fat...

Just dunno why...

Facebook trolls

 

[firsttimecaller]

No. What would make you - and everyone else- feel better is to notice and acknowledge the insidious ways in which women teach their daughters that their self worth is at least partly based on what size clothes they wear. And then stop fucking doing it.

As a species, we like to have sex with others that we find physically desirable. The way mass sits on your frame will affect said desirability.

For better or worse, we establish a self-worthiness at least partially based on that.
An extraordinarily brilliant and/or accomplished individual will have issues with self-worth if no one ever wants to have sex with them.

 

[AlteredEgo]

As a species, we like to have sex with others that we find physically desirable. The way mass sits on your frame will affect said desirability.

For better or worse, we establish a self-worthiness at least partially based on that.
An extraordinarily brilliant and/or accomplished individual will have issues with self-worth if no one ever wants to have sex with them.

My aunt was over 500 pounds. Men still fell in love with her. I have a friend who is at least 100 pounds over weight if not more, and she has reproduced twice, and currently has three men vying for her attention. I was seeing a guy when I was really fat who was no longer attracted to me when I lost 20 pounds, and I still had 40 more pounds to go! It was easy enough to replace him. I'm just saying. There's always someone who likes a person's looks.

 

[Brisler]

As a species, we like to have sex with others that we find physically desirable. The way mass sits on your frame will affect said desirability.

For better or worse, we establish a self-worthiness at least partially based on that.
An extraordinarily brilliant and/or accomplished individual will have issues with self-worth if no one ever wants to have sex with them.

The way mass sits on your frame will only affect said desirability because we buy into a discourse created by powers that want it to be so.

Two hundred years ago people desired mass to sit on the frame in a vastly different way. And 2000 years ago different from that. And so on and so on. You don't even have to invent a time machine. Take a little trip to Japan and ask the sumo wrestling stars if there are people who think their mass sits on their frames in a desirable way. There is nothing that is more desirable than something else in itself, in the general sense. There are only social contructs based on arbitrary ideas. And social constructs can be altered and will change with time either way. If the construct is bad, there's no reason not to challenge it.

Add to that the relation between what is generally considered to be desirable and the immense broadness of people's specific desires, as explained by @AlteredEgo, and you've got a world full of wonders and horrors. I have never known a person, male or female, that no one ever wanted to have sex with. Go browse some porn sites for just one minute, and you'll find that literally every thing you can think of is desirable to someone.

 

[elvid]

According to Cosmopolitan Magazine, this is "plus-size supermodel Robyn Lawley."

Plus-size!?

What say you?

No, she is not plus size. IMO "plus size" means "overweight". How do you tell if someone is overweight? Easy - when you look at the person's body, naked, can you see any excess fat? If you can, the person is overweight. The woman in this picture has no excess fat on her body. She is not overweight, and thus not plus size.

 

[firsttimecaller]

There's always someone who likes a person's looks.

I never said otherwise. Im saying that someone who has a more physically desirable look will have advantages in finding willing partners.

My aunt was over 500 pounds. Men still fell in love with her. I have a friend who is at least 100 pounds over weight if not more, and she has reproduced twice, and currently has three men vying for her attention.

As a tall, dark-ish and not-unattractive guy this makes me chuckle a bit. I can count on 1 hand (maybe 2, but definitely no more) the amount of women who were "vying for my attention" in my entire life.

If, as a woman, you can fit essentially the complete opposite of the "socially desired" body type and still have men chomping at the bit to get with you...what is the problem?

If its that easy to find partners for you, why would you give a fuck what "society" or Cosmo says or thinks? I certainly wouldnt.

 

[firsttimecaller]

The immense broadness of people's specific desires, as explained by @AlteredEgo, and you've got a world full of wonders and horrors. I have never known a person, male or female, that no one ever wanted to have sex with. Go browse some porn sites for just one minute, and you'll find that literally every thing you can think of is desirable to someone.

Answered this above. And, yes, I am aware of Rule 34

Two hundred years ago people desired mass to sit on the frame in a vastly different way. And 2000 years ago different from that. And so on and so on. You don't even have to invent a time machine. Take a little trip to Japan and ask the sumo wrestling stars if there are people who think their mass sits on their frames in a desirable way.

I dont count an older cultures desirability of overweight people when it was a result of impoverished people wanting to emulate the wealthy and their ability to do nothing and eat as much they want.

Using sumo wrestlers is also a bad example. Professional interior linemen in american football arent hurting for attention either. Rich, famous men have alot of female suitors regardless of what they look like? Stop the presses.

The way mass sits on your frame will only affect said desirability because we buy into a discourse created by powers that want it to be so.

There is nothing that is more desirable than something else in itself, in the general sense. There are only social contructs based on arbitrary ideas. And social constructs can be altered and will change with time either way. If the construct is bad, there's no reason not to challenge it.

I honestly dont know how much societal constructs actually shape what we find desirable. If it truly mattered that much, homosexuality would have been virtually non-existent in this country for the last 60 or whatever years.

I personally really like full, firm breasts. No matter what the "powers that be" forced down our throats, I never found Kate Moss or any of those Heroin Chic looking gals attractive at all. To put it another way, she:

does not fit the preferred body type of said powers, but I think most guys would still be like, how you doin, ya know?

 

[918177]

Answered this above. And, yes, I am aware of Rule 34



I dont count an older cultures desirability of overweight people when it was a result of impoverished people wanting to emulate the wealthy and their ability to do nothing and eat as much they want.

Using sumo wrestlers is also a bad example. Professional interior linemen in american football arent hurting for attention either. Rich, famous men have alot of female suitors regardless of what they look like? Stop the presses.



I honestly dont know how much societal constructs actually shape what we find desirable. If it truly mattered that much, homosexuality would have been virtually non-existent in this country for the last 60 or whatever years.

I personally really like full, firm breasts. No matter what the "powers that be" forced down our throats, I never found Kate Moss or any of those Heroin Chic looking gals attractive at all. To put it another way, she:

does not fit the preferred body type of said powers, but I think most guys would still be like, how you doin, ya know?

*ears prick*

My spidey senses are tingling because I think I've heard this music before.

 

[TexanStar]

If its that easy to find partners for you, why would you give a fuck what "society" or Cosmo says or thinks? I certainly wouldnt.

People who live in a society and are possessed of empathy tend to give some thought and consideration to the experiences that others may have.

Regardless of how confident I might feel about my body, or how confident Alteredego's aunt feels about hers, we can still be concerned about how other people in our society feel and the extent to which media outlets are putting an effort into eroding their self image in order to sell more o their products.

 

[Brisler]

I never said otherwise. Im saying that someone who has a more physically desirable look will have advantages in finding willing partners.

Why then did you mention a scenario with a person who "no one ever wants to have sex with"?

I dont count an older cultures desirability of overweight people when it was a result of impoverished people wanting to emulate the wealthy and their ability to do nothing and eat as much they want.

But you do count a newer culture's desirability of underweight people when it's a result of people wanting to emulate the wealthy and their ability to do nothing and starve themselves to remain on top? Come on, man. It's literally the same thing.

Using sumo wrestlers is also a bad example. Professional interior linemen in american football arent hurting for attention either. Rich, famous men have alot of female suitors regardless of what they look like? Stop the presses.

It's not a bad example. Excess of weight is literally considered desirable in sumo wrestlers because it signals something else. It's the exact same thing. It's not how mass sits on your frame, it's the arbitrary social construct and signal we attach to it that determines whether or not it's considered desirable.

I honestly dont know how much societal constructs actually shape what we find desirable. If it truly mattered that much, homosexuality would have been virtually non-existent in this country for the last 60 or whatever years.

Ehm... What!? This makes no sense. My point is that there's a great difference between what magazines like Cosmo wants to portray as being desirable (what is generally considered desirable) and what people actually do desire. The former is a social construct, the latter ain't. Though the former certainly does have an influence on the latter.

I personally really like full, firm breasts. No matter what the "powers that be" forced down our throats, I never found Kate Moss or any of those Heroin Chic looking gals attractive at all.

Exactly.

 

[950483]

As a species, we like to have sex with others that we find physically desirable. The way mass sits on your frame will affect said desirability.

For better or worse, we establish a self-worthiness at least partially based on that.
An extraordinarily brilliant and/or accomplished individual will have issues with self-worth if no one ever wants to have sex with them.

The woman of Willendorf, formerly known as the Venus of Willendorf.

Since it's discovery in 1908, mostly male historians have made up fanciful tales about how this figurine was likely to have been used in fertility rituals, or used as a masturbation aid. Basically, since 1908, male historians have seen this and thought "phwoar", and "that looks like a figurine of a goddess." We do not know what was generally considered to be attractive in around 28-25000 BCE, and probably never will. We don't know for sure that this wasn't used in sacred body shaming rituals.
What we do know is that it has magical powers and that men are unable to gaze upon it without sexualizing it.

An extraordinarily brilliant and/or accomplished individual is just as likely to seek out mental stimulation as sex, and more likely to prioritise intelligence over appearance.

 

[firsttimecaller]

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The woman of Willendorf... around 28-25000 BCE

Again, its virtually irrelevant to compare the culture of humans from that time to now when dealing with this subject.

25000 BCE is pre-Agricultural Revolution. That means if you were a human alive at the time, chances are you were at the very least hungry, if not starving. What would a beautiful human represent in that case? Perhaps someone that clearly had all the food they needed and more?

Right now, especially in this country, human beauty can stand on its own. It doesnt have to be tied to, or be symbolic of, anything else but itself because we dont need it to be. In the first world, even people in the "poor" category tend to have all they need to survive (food, shelter, water). Beauty can thus be whatever we think it is for whatever reason.

An extraordinarily brilliant and/or accomplished individual is just as likely to seek out mental stimulation as sex, and more likely to prioritise intelligence over appearance.

That may well be, but if they have a sex-drive and for whatever reason cant get a sexual partner without paying for it, that shit's gonna weigh on 'em.

 

[firsttimecaller]

Cant edit, so Ill add.

It is incorrect for me to say that beauty these days is not tied to something else. It is just not tied to something that is a basic necessity for survival.

Instead it tends to be symbolic of traits related to youth and lots and lots of squats and pushups

 

[TexanStar]

Instead it tends to be symbolic of traits related to youth and lots and lots of squats and pushups

eye of the beholder

 

[firsttimecaller]

eye of the beholder

I said tends to be.

 

[AlteredEgo]

If its that easy to find partners for you, why would you give a fuck what "society" or Cosmo says or thinks? I certainly wouldnt.

Who says I do? Who says my friend does? Who says my aunt ever did? Where do you come up with such nonsense?

I said tends to be.

Nah, that might be the case in your neck of the woods, but not where I come from. Where I'm from, you hear men talk about a certain type of thickness they desire. Personally, I never had that thickness. All of my life I've been either fat or lean, but never thick. And still... no real problem getting positive feedback on my looks. I guess you just need to know your audience. Or maybe it's just that I've always been so pleased with my appearance that made it so easy to see that pleasure reflected back to me from others, and perhaps those not prone to high self esteem see their low opinions reflected. I couldn't really say. I've never felt like I was for everyone, but then again, I also was never looking for just anyone. I've never been lonely, and have sometimes wondered which comes first; is it loneliness that sparks feelings of being generally unattractive, or does feeling unattractive lead to loneliness?

 

[Browsing]

"Cosmo says you're fat.. well I ain't down with that cuz your waist is small and your curves are kickin and I'm thinkin about stickin..." ~Sir-Mix-A-Lot

Problem solved LOL