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Just wondering what people think generally about Boris Johnson as the probable future PM of the UK.
Some say he will be the "British Trump", but I don't think that's accurate. He is a posh twat. He speaks fluent French and Latin. He's not dumb. But somehow he always seems to find himself being involved in controversy.. From his statements about Muslims (calling them letterboxes, bank robbers) to him saying that no Scot should ever rule the UK, he does produce a surprising amount of waffly and offensive shit.
He probably likes to think himself a new Churchill, yet Churchill was a fat posh alcoholic twat too.
He is also apparently responsible for the origin of the nonsense lies that the EU will not tolerate "bendy bananas".
He claims to be in favour of a hard Brexit, yet it is well known that before the Brexit vote, he wrote two speeches, one in favour of remain, one in favour of leave, and then decided the leave argument was more persuasive. A man of principle he is not.
It will be interesting to see him carry through the Brexit process, given that he was the originator of the big lie that "We give 350 million pounds a week to the EU, let's give it to the NHS instead".

Please give your thoughts to our probable next PM.
 

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I think Boris is a narcissists, who doesn't care much about others, or the truth, as long as it doesn't harm him and he would do everything as long as it benefits him.

He thinks of himself as very smart (he might be smart, but he sees himself as one of the smartest) and because he is so superior, he thinks he can do everything.

He got fired at his internship at the Times, because he misquoted things on purpose. As a "journalist" in Brussels he wrote articles about the EU that were blunt lies. At the Brexit referendum he made up one fake story after another.

He is dangerous because of his personality.
 

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Theresa May is looking better every second!

Boris may have been calling the shots with enough MPs that not one single solution to Brexit could be passed by the Commons. I am very concerned because a nation never does well when, "It is all about themselves." In this case it is all about Boris. If the UK gets screwed as a result, so be it.

Consider having a pm who in making every decision considers how does this effect me with little or no other consideration.

The United Kingdom may be on its last days. Scotland and Northern Ireland may jump ship. with Boris as the pm.

For sure, the UK will be a different place if Boris stays in power for very long.

Will the new pm have to pass a confidence vote in order to take charge? What if the small party in Northern Ireland votes no confidence. That would result in new elections. Is this correct?
 
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Will the new pm have to pass a confidence vote in order to take charge? What if the small party in Northern Ireland votes no confidence. That would result in new elections. Is this correct?

No there is nothing stopping the Conservatives changing their leader. They will have difficulty getting anything through parliament if they don't have a majority (including their usual bigoted Northern Irish allies in the DUP).
 

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I guess Boris was in a difficult position. not to stand as leader would be to discredit himself as spokesman for leave, but it shows every sign of being a career ending job. it might be politically survivable if he continues to be defeated by parliament.

May is more popular than him amongst all voters. her first task was to negotiate the deal with the eu and she accomplished this. Doesn't matter what you think of it, someone had to go through the process and show what sort of terms were possible. that deal cannot be changed but remains on offer for whatever happens next.

as a new leader he can formally not support the deal but him being pm instead of may doesn't change anything about the views of mps which we have already seen. they don't like any of the choices.

it remains a game of chicken with most mps wanting to stop brexit, but refusing to say so and argue their case. labour want the conservatives to be forced to stop brexit themselves, so keep sitting on the fence despite it becoming increasingly uncomfortable up there

remember Boris was the one who might have chosen to lead leave or lead the remain campaign, and looked horrified on camera after winning for leave. While his rival as a weak second to be offered to members in the final ballot has in the past called for a second referendum. the mps have in fact produced a pair of remainer to invite members to choose between.
 
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Just wondering what people think generally about Boris Johnson as the probable future PM of the UK.
Some say he will be the "British Trump", but I don't think that's accurate. He is a posh twat. He speaks fluent French and Latin. He's not dumb. But somehow he always seems to find himself being involved in controversy.. From his statements about Muslims (calling them letterboxes, bank robbers) to him saying that no Scot should ever rule the UK, he does produce a surprising amount of waffly and offensive shit.
He probably likes to think himself a new Churchill, yet Churchill was a fat posh alcoholic twat too.
He is also apparently responsible for the origin of the nonsense lies that the EU will not tolerate "bendy bananas".
He claims to be in favour of a hard Brexit, yet it is well known that before the Brexit vote, he wrote two speeches, one in favour of remain, one in favour of leave, and then decided the leave argument was more persuasive. A man of principle he is not.
It will be interesting to see him carry through the Brexit process, given that he was the originator of the big lie that "We give 350 million pounds a week to the EU, let's give it to the NHS instead".

Please give your thoughts to our probable next PM.
I used to live very near to him, in Islington, and often, either cycled behind him (he’s a shit cyclist - all over the bloody road), or passed him and I never once greeted him back - something I got a bit of shit for by friends of mine: ‘...separate the man from the art!’, they said. Nah, I know the type of man he is, I spent my 20’s working for them and I’ll say this: yes, he’s a complete tool but he’s an absolutely sinister fucking tool, who will wreck this country (further) if it adds to his notoriety. When Rory Steward, MP was knocked out on Tuesday, I actually felt bereft - I’m Left, but he gave me hope. If we leave on a No Deal, my business (construction based) is dead. It’s really serious and I cannot believe what I’m seeing at the moment. Absolute nightmare.
 
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when he was mayor of Lon don he often cam off and this cartoonish buffoon

The best comparison I can come up with other than Trump that is was Rob Ford mayor of Toronto
 
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I used to live very near to him, in Islington, and often, either cycled behind him (he’s a shit cyclist - all over the bloody road), or passed him and I never once greeted him back - something I got a bit of shit for by friends of mine: ‘...separate the man from the art!’, they said. Nah, I know the type of man he is, I spent my 20’s working for them and I’ll say this: yes, he’s a complete tool but he’s an absolutely sinister fucking tool, who will wreck this country (further) if it adds to his notoriety. When Rory Steward, MP was knocked out on Tuesday, I actually felt bereft - I’m Left, but he gave me hope. If we leave on a No Deal, my business (construction based) is dead. It’s really serious and I cannot believe what I’m seeing at the moment. Absolute nightmare.

Sorry to hear that. I wish you luck whatever happens.
Yeah, Rory was the best of the bunch - a bad bunch, but at least he showed some humanity and he understood what was possible with the EU withdrawal agreement.

Hopefully Boris will fuck it all up and we'll end up not leaving at all because it's not possible to do it in the way the mad leavers want. Then we can get on with a normal life inside the EU. But then again it might be carnage.
 
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Sorry to hear that. I wish you luck whatever happens.
Yeah, Rory was the best of the bunch - a bad bunch, but at least he showed some humanity and he understood what was possible with the EU withdrawal agreement.

Hopefully Boris will fuck it all up and we'll end up not leaving at all because it's not possible to do it in the way the mad leavers want. Then we can get on with a normal life inside the EU. But then again it might be carnage.
This is probably what will happen. He’ll fuck it up, we’ll have a GE, a 2nd Ref. and a new Gov, keeping us in the EU. But, wow, it’s stressful. Not one of clients - all top financial types have any idea how this will eventually plan out. It’s wild.

Oh, and thanks. I have a back up career I can slip into if it all goes tits up.
 
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Hopefully Boris will fuck it all up and we'll end up not leaving at all because it's not possible to do it in the way the mad leavers want.
You have summed it up very well. There is not a single Leave position. There are several positions that are so different that they can't all be done at the same time. There are:

The right Leave Group
The Left Leave Group
The Hard Brexit Group
The Soft Brexit Group
The Very Soft Brexit Group

Following the threads here at LPSG Esates, it appears there are five different Brexit proposals plus Remain.
 
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Before the Brexit referendum, it was said that even if we left then Britain would absolutely remain within the single market and the Norway option was a potentially good choice.
Now, the Brexiter arseholes want the most extreme Brexit, which will ruin Britain's standing as a stable and reliable country, ruin the economy and all to fulfill some masochistic Tory desire to increase the value of their own overseas money.
This video is a good explainer:
 
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A little condescending and I don't necessarily agree with joining their campaign, but they make very good points.
 

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gonna be worse than T MAY
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last less time than her or CAMERON, remember him
all bluff and a bufoon, like Trump
was liked as the simple mayor of london
but this leauge totally different
proven by its ridiculous blundering as FM
shows his idiocy
makes its supporters, the indedecisve pommie parliamentarians
pure idiots as well
hiding behind there skirts not wanting to face up to real questions
 

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If the police keep getting called round to drunken slanging matches at his girlfriend's house in the early hours, the Tories may wake up to the fact that he is a liability.

I detest the man and have nothing but contempt for him. He is a social, sexual and political psychopath.

This is how low the Brexiteers will sink.
 
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If the police keep getting called round to drunken slanging matches at his girlfriend's house in the early hours, the Tories may wake up to the fact that he is a liability.

I detest the man and have nothing but contempt for him. He is a social, sexual and political psychopath.

This is how low the Brexiteers will sink.
Some have said that Boris is not like Trump. Yes he is. In all the ways you have mentioned.

Trump' sister has just retired from serving as a senior federal judge. You have to have a law degree to do that.

Trump has a degree as well. The university name escapes me, but it is a highly rated university.

Trump can speak at least two languages fluently. He was taught by his grandmother her native tongue.

Johnson and Trump share some qualities. All the ones I have mentioned plus both are populists.

What they share the most is your description.

Johnson and Trump are both, "social, sexual and political psychopaths!"

Drifterwood, you have outdone yourself with this statement!

As much as I hate to say it, the worst is yet to come if Boris becomes prime minister.

Is there a point with Boris as pm where the Queen would dismiss Commons and declare national elections if push came to shove without a request from Boris?

Is there a chance that Boris could so blow it with his first visit with the Queen that she would choose to not offer the prime minister position to him?

Theresa May is looking better by the minute!
 

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Some have said that Boris is not like Trump. Yes he is. In all the ways you have mentioned.

Trump' sister has just retired from serving as a senior federal judge. You have to have a law degree to do that.

Trump has a degree as well. The university name escapes me, but it is a highly rated university.

Trump can speak at least two languages fluently. He was taught by his grandmother her native tongue.

Johnson and Trump share some qualities. All the ones I have mentioned plus both are populists.

What they share the most is your description.

Johnson and Trump are both, "social, sexual and political psychopaths!"

Drifterwood, you have outdone yourself with this statement!

As much as I hate to say it, the worst is yet to come if Boris becomes prime minister.

Is there a point with Boris as pm where the Queen would dismiss Commons and declare national elections if push came to shove without a request from Boris?

Is there a chance that Boris could so blow it with his first visit with the Queen that she would choose to not offer the prime minister position to him?

Theresa May is looking better by the minute!

I bow to Jason on matters of constitutional procedure, but I can't see that her Maj would block Boris. All his supporters are saying that the biggest threat to Boris is himself, and you can see this from the headlines in the UK today.

Boris is more about the ego of getting the job. When he gets it, he tends to be incompetent and cock up prone. Given his sexual record, he really should be called Cock Up Boris.

Mr. Trump and Boris both share the attitude that rules are for other people, the little people. As populists, they have no love, but contempt for the people as a malleable means to the end of gratifying their egos. This is a recurrent theme of Old Etonians.