PM David Cameron

[Jason]

In case anyone doesn't know Gordon Brown has resigned as PM and recommended to the Queen that David Cameron should be next PM.

Brown made an excellent exit speech. Good on him.

I am just so relieved that this man whose government - the whole 13 Labour years - has caused so much misery to the UK, to my family and to me, has finally gone. On an anonymous board I can own up to being in tears with the sheer relief at getting rid of him.

Good luck to David Cameron, PM.

 

[FRE]

Would you be happier with John Major? Or perhaps Tony Blair?

 

[superbot]

Of course he should PM,he won the election.Good ridance to the socialists!!

 

[B_crackoff]

Brown made an excellent exit speech. Good on him.

It fell far short of any admission of blame for the wreck of the country he's left.

Furthermore, no mention was made of properly falling on his sword, nor any ritual disembowellment. I was very disappointed.

What else can he go into. He's shit at everything, except screwing things up.

Maybe he should become a major arms dealer.

It would be the only way we'd know no war could ever happen properly with captain cock up in charge.

Well done DC - pass a law to jail all those Labour F*cks!

And don't give Jacqui Smith a flipping peerage!!!!!!

 

[dandelion]

hmm. Brown the prime minister has to be considered along with Brown the Chancellor, since he has been part of the team running the labour government throughout. It is not obvious to me they did any worse than conservatives on the economy, and on the whole better than the previous conservative administration. Those conservatives lost because they had been driving down state services and the people had had enough. Browns problem financially was the US bank crash, not bad administration by him.

Aside from that, he was a bit accident prone politically but had great stamina to keep going. I though he looked positively cheery just now making his farewell speech to the party. I think he will be content not to have the agravation any more.

I take it he had had enough and so decided to resign tonight rather than tomorrow. Im not certain he pushed the timing though, it sounds like there were some last minute hitches in lib-lab negotiations which have run over. Hope theyve finished and not been bumped into rushing things. So maybe Brown resigned by agreement with Cameron, just the negotiations didnt go smoothly.

Cameron lost his great moment: he had to announce the coalition without having a coalition. Do hope its on. His speech sounded good. He was complimentary to Brown and his aspirations could have been Brown speaking. Again, I sincerely hope he was speaking from the heart. I thought he sounded more credible complimenting Brown on his career achievements now than he did 1 week ago slagging him off.

There is significant opposition in the tory party to the compromises Cameron is reported to have made with the liberals. Cameron is a reformer in the mould of Tony Blair. At this moment, this new government feels quite like Blairs. The conservatives election performance was a resounding damp squib, but the drama of the last few days has somewhat made up for it. Though I may be entirely untypical with lots of lab or lib supports very unhappy about this coalition. And it could all be off in a couple of hours. But assuming it isnt, Mr reformer Cameron may ultimately benefit from the coalition. He has already used it to force his party to accept a more left and more reforming position. I don't know they will ultimately have to shift left permanently, but the result may be the party becomes more accepting of the left. If Camerons plan is to embrace coalition government, being the leader of the countrys major right of centre party, with an established coalition with a left of centre party sounds like a win win win strategy.

 

[B_crackoff]

GB - I have always strived to serve

It just shows the level of articulacy in the Govt; it should be -

I have always striven to serve

Dumber & dumber. Dumbed down Gordon Brown. His parting words too!

And his comment on his admiration of the bravery of the armed forces should have read:

"...and i must express my admiration of the bravery of the armed forces, who continue to fight, despite my never giving them the equipment, or protection, that they deserve"

By the way. WTF is wrong with 38 degrees. What a bunch of lame, limp wristed internet assholes. Hearing them protest was like being back in the gents at the Pink Pounder at the Astoria!

Trying to drown out DC's speech demonstrates exactly how anti-democratic they are, concerned only with their own week long fads, rather than the momentuos events of today.

If anyone saw it, John Prescott has already been on saying that everyone in New Labour suspected the Lib Dems of being Tories, & now they've been proven right.

The next election battlelines have already been drawn eh? Labour as the party of change to this Tory coalition.

Give me strength.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

I'm incredibly disappointed, Cameron's a distant relative of the Queen for god's sake, it was like a family reunion when he popped in earlier on. It's back to the days of rule by the aristocracy, and frankly the Lib-Dems are crazy, a pathetic promise of a referendum (!?) on AV(?!) which isn't even proportional representation, if Nick Clegg and fellow hypocrite Lib-Dem ministers suffer a total collapse in the next election I'll be glad to see the back of the whole crowd of them.

The Tories won nothing, they scraped a few more seats together and they've duped Nick Clegg into thinking they have any intention of working with him honestly. I wont be surprised if the whole house of cards comes tumbling down within eighteen months.

More reasons for me never to move back to Britain.

 

[superbot]

I'm incredibly disappointed, Cameron's a distant relative of the Queen for god's sake, it was like a family reunion when he popped in earlier on. It's back to the days of rule by the aristocracy, and frankly the Lib-Dems are crazy, a pathetic promise of a referendum (!?) on AV(?!) which isn't even proportional representation, if Nick Clegg and fellow hypocrite Lib-Dem ministers suffer a total collapse in the next election I'll be glad to see the back of the whole crowd of them.

The Tories won nothing, they scraped a few more seats together and they've duped Nick Clegg into thinking they have any intention of working with him honestly. I wont be surprised if the whole house of cards comes tumbling down within eighteen months.

More reasons for me never to move back to Britain.

Rule by aristocracy.Related to the Queen? Get over yourself,you narrow minded classed obsessed throw-back.It's precisely that sort of nonsense that made the Labour un-electable for years on end.People in this country don't give a 'shiny shite' about that sort of crap any more.Our greatset Briton Winston Churchill was directely related to the Dukes of Malborough and the Spencers,didn't prevent him from being voted the nations greatest Briton!!!.... David Cameron I am sure will be a fantastic PM which is why the public voted for him over and above anyone else.The socialists are a gonna,now the Conservatives can repair the devastation.

 

[Jason]

The world is changing.

This Con - Lib coalition has all sorts of possibilities which are actually exciting. Both groups know that if they can make it work they can look forward to a generation in power. I know there are plenty of stresses and strains, but the two public school boys have a shared background and are in a position to make it work.

Hague is foreign secretary. This sets the tone of the UK's new relationship with Europe, ie as markedly Euro-sceptic.

A referendumon AV is interesting. I rather think the Lib Dems will decide that they have no prospect of winning it and decide they don't want it. But it does take out of the bottle the whole referendum genie. If we are to resolve issues where Con and Lib Dem differ by a referendum why not solve Europe in this manner? I've already heard an MP requesting a referendum on EU membership and another talking of Lisbon as a "failed" treaty.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Rule by aristocracy.Related to the Queen? Get over yourself,you narrow minded classed obsessed throw-back.It's precisely that sort of nonsense that made the Labour un-electable for years on end.People in this country don't give a 'shiny shite' about that sort of crap any more.Our greatset Briton Winston Churchill was directely related to the Dukes of Malborough and the Spencers,didn't prevent him from being voted the nations greatest Briton!!!.... David Cameron I am sure will be a fantastic PM which is why the public voted for him over and above anyone else.The socialists are a gonna,now the Conservatives can repair the devastation.

Your personal hostility towards anyone who questions why a single class of people born in to wealth and privilege should continue to have the right to direct the affairs of millions of ordinary people is telling.

Do I question David Cameron's background? Yes. Because it's a totally legitimate question in a country which pretends to be a democracy when it's head of state is a Medieval cliché of morally bankrupt autocracy, a substantial portion of the richest people in that country are aristocrats, and the parliament consists of appointed life Peers and a lower house (called the Commons for god's sake!) which doesn't even represent the actual vote of the electorate! That the new leader of this parliament is a member of this ancient ruling class which has dominated Britain since the Norman conquest by dint of force, criminality and robbing the poor is fundamentally relevant to the discussion.

You can pretend that David Cameron is anything but a contemptuous and spoiled scion of the upper classes who wont disadvantage poor people to serve the interests of the rich if you want, but that would be to ignore Cameron's stated policy objectives and the evidence which history has for us with regard to the Tory party in government.

Britain should be ashamed that it's democracy has failed so spectacularly.

 

[B_crackoff]

hmm. Brown the prime minister has to be considered along with Brown the Chancellor, since he has been part of the team running the labour government throughout. It is not obvious to me they did any worse than conservatives on the economy, and on the whole better than the previous conservative administration. Those conservatives lost because they had been driving down state services and the people had had enough.

The Tories had to deal with the monumental financial mess the 74-9 Labour Govt left, & idiotic union power - even now the 500,000 public servants that all sides wish to be rid of, can expect to receive up to 6 TIMES ANNUAL SALARY if made redundant.

This is the same jerk who put up Judge, doctor, & some Headmaster salaries by 60%!! In one go!!! Along with unearned pension benefits at the top rate.

The Tories weren't voted out for a reduction in state services - they were complacent, godlike, coming out with idiotic policies, & after 18 years, people were sick of them. The economic position was far worse when they won in 92 than in 97.

Add to that that arrogant windbag Neil Kinnock!

Browns problem financially was the US bank crash, not bad administration by him.
.

He sold Qiniteq for 1/4 of it's proper price, the day before the MOD guaranteed them a 500M/annum contract for 25 years, sold the Gold stock TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE BIDDER(!) @ the lowest price in living memory, wanted a pure Fiat Money system - the very system which caused the financial collapse, & puts the UK into the hands of speculative interests, invested nothing into building new schools & hospitals, instead committing future generations to pay for his "current" electoral success - the list goes on.

And as for an American bank crisis - it wasn't anything of the sort.

The UK banks were invested (Lloyds apart) to the hilt.

New Labour gave them free reign to create money, to move THE SAME MONEY about, & make huge amounts on speculative, guaranteed to fail "who the F*ck knows what's in it" debt parcels, & the ability to self regulate.

When it went tits up - HE - no one else _HE guaranteed 500BN of liabilities, AND the Billions of bonuses that the banks then paid themselves - WITH OUR MONEY.

Fiscally incompetent, & economically a twat.

 

[Jason]

Your personal hostility towards anyone who questions why a single class of people born in to wealth and privilege should continue to have the right to direct the affairs of millions of ordinary people is telling.

The socialist class war is over. The British people have won.

 

[superbot]

Your personal hostility towards anyone who questions why a single class of people born in to wealth and privilege should continue to have the right to direct the affairs of millions of ordinary people is telling.

Do I question David Cameron's background? Yes. Because it's a totally legitimate question in a country which pretends to be a democracy when it's head of state is a Medieval cliché of morally bankrupt autocracy, a substantial portion of the richest people in that country are aristocrats, and the parliament consists of appointed life Peers and a lower house (called the Commons for god's sake!) which doesn't even represent the actual vote of the electorate! That the new leader of this parliament is a member of this ancient ruling class which has dominated Britain since the Norman conquest by dint of force, criminality and robbing the poor is fundamentally relevant to the discussion.

You can pretend that David Cameron is anything but a contemptuous and spoiled scion of the upper classes who wont disadvantage poor people to serve the interests of the rich if you want, but that would be to ignore Cameron's stated policy objectives and the evidence which history has for us with regard to the Tory party in government.

Britain should be ashamed that it's democracy has failed so spectacularly.

So you think the British people are totally stupid do you? It's called democracy!!! We have an elected Prime Minster and a Queen who is there by the will of the people and who is Head of State,Head of the Armed Forces,Head of the Anglican church and Head of the Commonwealth.All by the will of the people.If you have a problem with that it's 'tough tits' maybe you should be living some place else?! Oh,I see that you are.If you want to live in the UK and pay your taxes there then you can have a say...David Cameron by the way is not a aristocrat and so what if he were? As I said previously,Churchill was the total Aristo and look what he did for our country.Your views are that of a dinosaur and about 50 yrs out of date!

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

The socialist class war is over. The Upper Class have won.

Fixed that for you.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

So you think the British people are totally stupid do you? It's called democracy!!! We have an elected Prime Minster and a Queen who is there by the will of the people and who is Head of State,Head of the Armed Forces,Head of the Anglican church and Head of the Commonwealth.All by the will of the people.If you have a problem with that it's 'tough tits' maybe you should be living some place else?! Oh,I see that you are.If you want to live in the UK and pay your taxes there then you can have a say...David Cameron by the way is not a aristocrat and so what if he were? As I said previously,Churchill was the total Aristo and look what he did for our country.Your views are that of a dinosaur and about 50 yrs out of date!

Seriously you are kidding yourself if you think that ignoring vast quatities of votes in every election constitutes a democracy, and you're even more deluded if you think the Queen is in place due to the workings of a functional democracy. I am a British citizen and was born in Britain and have paid taxes in Britain, and I have just as much right to express my disgust with failure of my country's politics as anyone else.

Your vicious triumphalism is a part of the rot at the heart of British culture.

 

[798686]

Bah...I was out when all this happened!

I'm relieved there's a Con-Lib agreement, and think it should be pretty interesting. Hague as Foreign Secretary is an interesting (if provocative?) choice.

As far as Brown goes, and the Labour years - I think there's 2 distinct sections. At first they did fairly well - especially with the economy and the independance of the Bank of England, but Gordon seemed to lose the plot part-way through and switched from one of the best Chancellors to one of the worst - returning to traditional boom and bust cycles, and Labour's tax/spend habits. Plus there was the Iraq war and the cash for honours thing, lol.

I still think it was worthwhile having them in for a while, at least initially - and imo they were needed after the Tories had collapsed into sleaze, ineffectiveness and overly right-wing policies. However, it's now time for a change again, and I'm quite lookin forward to it. :biggrin1:

PS: Hilaire and Superbot: don't make me bang your heads together...or make me force you into a coalition with each other. :tongue:

 

[superbot]

Seriously you are kidding yourself if you think that ignoring vast quatities of votes in every election constitutes a democracy, and you're even more deluded if you think the Queen is in place due to the workings of a functional democracy. I am a British citizen and was born in Britain and have paid taxes in Britain, and I have just as much right to express my disgust with failure of my country's politics as anyone else.

Your vicious triumphalism is a part of the rot at the heart of British culture.

What the hell are you talking about ignoring the vast quantities(?) of votes? That is the electoral system that put the last gov't in power and ALL previous administations besides.Don't be such a bad loser just because you don't like the government, the people have spoken so tough shite.Your patronizing last comment is the sign of someone whose clearly been rumbled!

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

What the hell are you talking about ignoring the vast quantities(?) of votes? That is the electoral system that put the last gov't in power and ALL previous administations besides.Don't be such a bad loser just because you don't like the government, the people have spoken so tough shite.Your patronizing last comment is the sign of someone whose clearly been rumbled!

No, First Past the Post elections do not express the voice of the people, the current makeup of the House of Commons does not even remotely reflect the actual votes cast in the election. Proportional Representation would have delivered a Commons with a true reflection of the actual expressed will of the British people, without PR and with a system built on Monarchy, Aristocracy, and privilege Britain cannot call itself a true functioning democracy, that it is now controlled by a political party which is devoted to protecting the rights of the rich to get richer regardless of the consequences to the poor and working class only compounds the embarrassment I feel today to be British.

 

[Jason]

Britain cannot call itself a true functioning democracy.

The world does not have a single example of a perfect democracy - there are no true democracies. Rather it has flawed democracies. The UK system has its own specific flaws and its own specific strengths. It works so it is a functioning democracy.

 

[dandelion]

I see there are 34 cabinet posts and the plan is to give the liberals 5 of them. since the ratio of votes for conservatives to liberals is about 3:2, there ought to be about 12 liberal cabinet places. Not a good start.

in the interets of balnce perhaps I ought to point out that labour have their fair share of hereditary mps too who like to keep their seat in parliament in the family.