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Police Brutality

Incocknito

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Well I was watching a TV program just now (Caught on Camera: Chaos in Courts episode).

It featured the story of Esteban Carpio. The backstory is that he was in an interview with a detective (the detective's partner had left the room for a drink). Somehow Carpio locked the door from the inside, took the detectives gun and shot him dead. Carpio then jumped out of a third story window and fled.

An hour later he was captured and somtime thereafter (I'm guessing days or weeks at the most judging from his injuries).

His injuries are very severe. Police (and even a subsequent FBI investigation) concluded that the injuries were the result of his three storey fall and "necessary force" used by the police in capturing him.

Note that Carpio is also wearing a "spit shield"...police said because he was being "combative" and spitting at them but it looks to me like it is just hiding more injuries.

Link: Police Brutality (and Atrocity) Blog: American Justice? Esteban Carpio - Was he railroaded?

So...

What do you think?

Is police brutality ever justified?
 

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Detroit cops killed a little girl in a no-knock raid, BART officers have killed people like Oscar Grant who were FACE DOWN ON THE GROUND, on and on. They just beat and tazered a crazy homeless man to death too.

Cops are out of control.
 

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Quote:

So...

What do you think?

Is police brutality ever justified?"
End quote.

Is that a serious question?

So long as we are agreed that brutality means stuff that goes beyond reasonable force.

Then the answer is "of course not".

So, what would you expect anyone to answer?

Does it surprise me? No. but that's a whole different thread.
 

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Can you tell us why anyone should care about this guy?

There are millions of people suffering through no fault of their own in the world every day.

This guy should be shitting himself because they left him to live.
 
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ask the wife and kids of the detective he murdered if they think the beating was too much.
 

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Any cop would give him a beating, rightly so.
 

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was he railroaded? are you kidding me? he murdered someone, and im supposed to feel bad for him? fuck that.

its too bad RI doesnt have the death penalty.
 

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It's not just about this one nasty guy. The point is, if they can do it to him and get away with it, they can do it to any number of other, less heinous people and get away with it. How "good" do you have to be before you're entitled to protection under the law?
 

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Shit, around here, when you get arrested, and are not 110% compliant, you will get carried outside the camera's view and gut punched, or rapped on the skull with a baton. It sucks, but it goes hand in hand with with breaking the law. What is really scary though is the oc spray and those damned tasers.
 

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The problem when police do not respect the law is that innocent people will be treated unjustly. Guaranteed. The question is where you choose to place the balance of protections for the innocent, because the better you protect them the better you protect the guilty too. The other issue is a question of respect for the law. When the law is seen to lock up, beat or kill innocent people the entire system is undermined and all society loses faith in it. So then why would anyone help the police?
 
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It's not just about this one nasty guy. The point is, if they can do it to him and get away with it, they can do it to any number of other, less heinous people and get away with it. How "good" do you have to be before you're entitled to protection under the law?

You would be correct if this were indeed a case of police brutality, but it is not. It is a case of revenge first anf their being police officers second. Their friend/colleague was murdered by this piece of shit. As i said, leaving him with an irrelevant nothing existence for the next fifty years is the worst punishment.
 

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You would be correct if this were indeed a case of police brutality, but it is not. It is a case of revenge first anf their being police officers second.

Maybe I'm being dense, but I don't see the distinction. If you use excessive force, beat up a suspect in your custody, for whatever reason, however understandable--that's police brutality. Isn't it?
 

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Maybe I'm being dense,

Well, yes.

I don't know what you do, but let's say you are an accountant. Should I refer everything you do to the fact that you are an accountant?

These guys are alleged to have taken revenge, taken the law into their own hands against someone who murdered one of their colleagues. Even the boys at KPMG might have done the same.

I wouldn't put this in the same place as police using excessive force, tear gas etc against peaceful demonstrators for example.
 

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Geraldo Rivera calls Dan Bongino a 'son of a bitch' on-air

The topic on Hannity was police violence against blacks and it dissolved into a free-for-all. In one corner was 77-year-old Geraldo Rivera, wildly over-listed as 5'9" with a history of a broken nose, suffered while battling white supremacists during the taping of his old daytime talk show. In the other corner sat 46-year-old Dan Bongino, listed as 6'1" but who had recently (fully) recovered from a bout of Hodgkin's lymphoma. I don't know about you but I would like to see them together in a boxing ring.

Back in 1975 heavyweight champion Muhammed Ali was taking a break from training for a rematch with Joe Frasier, a fight that would go down in history as the Thrilla in Manilla. It was a fight that Muhammed Ali had to use all his quick-witted intelligence and guile in order to defeat a stronger opponent, by allowing Frasier to tire and punch himself out. Ali called his invention the rope-a-dope.

It was during a break between these grueling training sessions that a young, skinny Puerto Rican celebrity journalist with big hair walked in. His name was Geraldo Rivera. What ensued was pure magic. Muhammed Ali was as much an entertainer as a pugilist, having gone 15-rounds with announcer Howard Cosell in addition to his heavyweight fights. Geraldo Rivera was no match against Ali in either boxing or verbal alacrity.

Geraldo flashback: Boxing with Muhammad Ali
 
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