Police Respond To Black Man's LifeAlert, Shoot Him.

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So because I didn't express emotional support for the families that changes things including the point I'm making? Are you suggesting with your tone that somehow because of this I'm siding with the accused? My emotional support of any and all parties doesn't change the facts or the process that I hope to see take place. Detaching yourself emotionally from a case if you want to play juror is usually the best policy. You want to go in with a non-bias mindset so the facts and evidence can be digested clearly and fairly.

Now beyond that of course I feel bad for the families especially in the case of a teenager being shot dead. It's tragic but that goes without saying and has nothing to do with my point other than it's that type of emotionally charged atmosphere that can lead people to rush to judgement.



"It appears" Interesting choice of words. I'm sorry are you involved in either investigation? Do you know for a fact that what you stated is taking place? You cited a corrupt criminal investigation on "Desperate Housewives" in your earlier post ... erm, this isn't a fictional TV show. It's not all going to be wrapped up in a neat little bow in an hour. If it's taking longer than your attention span can handle I suggest you watch CSI and allow real world investigations to play out in a proper methodical manner.

Support of the family is one thing. Dragging someone into court when the evidence (which no one here knows what that fully is) is thin is irresponsible. You don't roll the dice on someone's fate because public pressure demands it. You take a responsible account of the evidence involved and you proceed in the appropriate manner. I think Blacks more than any race should understand and support that. The history of Blacks, especially in the south, reflects just how wrong it is to pull someone into court with insufficient evidence and as emotions are running high. Too many times men and women have been convicted of crimes they did not commit using the lynch mob mentality and logic you demand here. Lets wait for the gathering of evidence to be concluded shall we. Lets allow for this process to play out. Lets do it the right way instead of having ambulance chasing media whore fatheads like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson scream into a camera with blind ignorance of the facts or evidence calling for someone's head. I can't ascribe to that brand of dense logic (sic). Sorry, I want to see all the evidence to form an intelligent opinion on things.


This is the world we live in, where fear and ignorance rule... We're Fucked :rolleyes:
 

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Q Vee, Prince really did get it wrong: the "beautiful ones" are never left behind.

...Waiting for more people to come in the thread and pull out the "wait until all the details come out before giving an opinion--even though I won't" card...
 

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Wow just wow people are really are lacking any type of love or respect for each other
And what's sad is that things like this are only gonna occur more and more
 

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@mercurygirl:

When the alleged incident happened in November, and the family of the man who died has been trying to get more information, and an investigation initiate, since then, and it's only now happening FIVE MONTHS later, there is definitely a problem.

When the allegations towards the officer in question do not look good, as it's reported that he is under investigation for another incident, there is a problem.

When there are reports that the Life Alert operator tried to call off the police response, and the police allegedly refused, there is a problem.

When it's reported that the police demanded that the camera filming the action be turned off, there is a problem.

When only now the Life Alert tape surfaces, there is a problem.

Not to drag the White Plains police department through the mud unnecessarily, as being a police officer is an unbelievably difficult job; that requires unbelievable sacrifice, and the ability to make the correct decision that will not only impact YOUR life, but the lives of countless others; BUT there definitely needs to be a thorough investigation. One that should have happened when the incident occurred, in November, 2011; not April 2012.
 

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All we have here is a bunch hearsay.
Bullshit. The articles report on the contents of VIDEO and AUDIO RECORDINGS, as well as the statements of the telephone operator who was listening to the incident and the victim's niece who was with the police outside the apartment: hardly "hearsay"!
 

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Bullshit. The articles report on the contents of VIDEO and AUDIO RECORDINGS, as well as the statements of the telephone operator who was listening to the incident and the victim's niece who was with the police outside the apartment: hardly "hearsay"!

I suggest you read the 6th Amendment to the US Constitution concerning the rights of a defendant. Reporting on what was said or physical evidence can be considered hearsay and stands as such until it is entered and approved by a judge in a court of law. It is not official until those first hand parties take the stand under oath and officially enter their testimony in court and or preliminary hearing. Just because someone says something to the press, or supposed evidence is presented to them, doesn't make it automatically true or that it can be legally entered into to evidence until a judge approves it. A defendant and his/her attorney have the legal right to cross examine any witness and his/her testimony or protest on the legality of any evidence whether it's witnesses testimony or physical evidence. So until that time all we've been hearing in the press means nothing till a judge rules on it. End of.
 

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You are mostly correct in your statement. Though i'm pretty sure you have no clue what your statement really means. (Long sigh)


I am very aware of the meaning and truth in my statement, however i am not so sure or your comprehension of my statement based or your statement. :wink:...Peace
 

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So because I didn't express emotional support for the families that changes things including the point I'm making? Are you suggesting with your tone that somehow because of this I'm siding with the accused? My emotional support of any and all parties doesn't change the facts or the process that I hope to see take place. Detaching yourself emotionally from a case if you want to play juror is usually the best policy. You want to go in with a non-bias mindset so the facts and evidence can be digested clearly and fairly.

Now beyond that of course I feel bad for the families especially in the case of a teenager being shot dead. It's tragic but that goes without saying and has nothing to do with my point other than it's that type of emotionally charged atmosphere that can lead people to rush to judgement.



"It appears" Interesting choice of words. I'm sorry are you involved in either investigation? Do you know for a fact that what you stated is taking place? You cited a corrupt criminal investigation on "Desperate Housewives" in your earlier post ... erm, this isn't a fictional TV show. It's not all going to be wrapped up in a neat little bow in an hour. If it's taking longer than your attention span can handle I suggest you watch CSI and allow real world investigations to play out in a proper methodical manner.

Support of the family is one thing. Dragging someone into court when the evidence (which no one here knows what that fully is) is thin is irresponsible. You don't roll the dice on someone's fate because public pressure demands it. You take a responsible account of the evidence involved and you proceed in the appropriate manner. I think Blacks more than any race should understand and support that. The history of Blacks, especially in the south, reflects just how wrong it is to pull someone into court with insufficient evidence and as emotions are running high. Too many times men and women have been convicted of crimes they did not commit using the lynch mob mentality and logic you demand here. Lets wait for the gathering of evidence to be concluded shall we. Lets allow for this process to play out. Lets do it the right way instead of having ambulance chasing media whore fatheads like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson scream into a camera with blind ignorance of the facts or evidence calling for someone's head. I can't ascribe to that brand of dense logic (sic). Sorry, I want to see all the evidence to form an intelligent opinion on things.

WOW! For a sophomore in college, your writing tenor and tone are quite intense! Are you just two years out of high school now or have you returned to school much later in life? Just asking, because I can almost see you asking how this relates to topic... it does not.

For the record, I did not use the word emotional, you did. Although, my question seems to have ignited something emotional in you, as your post does not reflect the detachment to which you claim to bring to this discussion. You either support the families' desire for a charge and a trial or you do not. It was not clear to me and I asked you a question. If that disturbs you, perhaps you may want to rethink engaging in public discourse until your personal interactive skills mature beyond the sophomoric.

You have perverted my reference to a metaphorical plot on "Desperate Housewives" and attacked my attention span. That speaks volumes for your attitude and demeanor, and not in a positive sense for me.

"Lynch mob." Really? Is this how you exemplify not contributing to the "type of emotionally charged atmosphere that can lead people to rush to judgement." How incendiary and hypocritical. I am not aware the Revs. Sharpton and Jackson asking for anyone to be "lynched." And I do not find anything inappropriate about citizens, holding public officials accountable for their actions, or in these two cases, inactions. Hopefully, you have an openminded Poli-Sci. Prof. on campus that can enlighten you about things of this nature. By the way, race baiting is wasted on me for your edification.

I have no doubt you will be compelled to respond to me. Please free to do so, as it will give you the last word in our repartee. This will be the last time I attempt to engage you, as I find that the level of discourse you bring is neither helpful, nor as objective as your rhetoric suggests.

Finally, I hope you took note of how Angela Corey handled herself last night. That is called professionalism and grace under pressure. Feel free to use her as your role model. It could serve you well in your pursuit of higher education.

Good luck in school and in life and thank you for responding with such a revealing post.
 

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WOW! For a sophomore in college, your writing tenor and tone are quite intense! Are you just two years out of high school now or have you returned to school much later in life? Just asking, because I can almost see you asking how this relates to topic... it does not.

For the record, I did not use the word emotional, you did. Although, my question seems to have ignited something emotional in you, as your post does not reflect the detachment to which you claim to bring to this discussion. You either support the families' desire for a charge and a trial or you do not. It was not clear to me and I asked you a question. If that disturbs you, perhaps you may want to rethink engaging in public discourse until your personal interactive skills mature beyond the sophomoric.

You have perverted my reference to a metaphorical plot on "Desperate Housewives" and attacked my attention span. That speaks volumes for your attitude and demeanor, and not in a positive sense for me.

"Lynch mob." Really? Is this how you exemplify not contributing to the "type of emotionally charged atmosphere that can lead people to rush to judgement." How incendiary and hypocritical. I am not aware the Revs. Sharpton and Jackson asking for anyone to be "lynched." And I do not find anything inappropriate about citizens, holding public officials accountable for their actions, or in these two cases, inactions. Hopefully, you have an openminded Poli-Sci. Prof. on campus that can enlighten you about things of this nature. By the way, race baiting is wasted on me for your edification.

I have no doubt you will be compelled to respond to me. Please free to do so, as it will give you the last word in our repartee. This will be the last time I attempt to engage you, as I find that the level of discourse you bring is neither helpful, nor as objective as your rhetoric suggests.

Finally, I hope you took note of how Angela Corey handled herself last night. That is called professionalism and grace under pressure. Feel free to use her as your role model. It could serve you well in your pursuit of higher education.

Good luck in school and in life and thank you for responding with such a revealing post.

First, let me take a moment to thank you for giving me permission to respond to you on a public forum. Really, how big of you.

Now I guess I could go point for point with you only the tone of your post is that of someone attempting to play a wisdom instilling parent and it's annoying. You come off like a condescending know-it-all. So I'm not going to waste my time going over material I've already addressed, stand by, no matter how much you think you're opening my eyes to matters.

I will however address one statement I found, apart from humorous, tremendously hypocritical. Honestly, I can't believe you used it in your rebuttal. This:

"Finally, I hope you took note of how Angela Corey handled herself last night. That is called professionalism and grace under pressure. Feel free to use her as your role model. It could serve you well in your pursuit of higher education."

YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS:

There are no charges and thus no dates for trial. In both cases, it appears that the "system" is building (trying) their case so that the "decision/verdict" precedes the trial.

The issue at the heart for those protesting in support of the families, is not that for the case to be tried in the media. It is simply that the case(s) be tried. Cases have been tried for less,
so it is difficult to accept the "excuse" of gathering evidence. That can be done after the charge and during a trial. And guess what, charges can be withdrawn when appropriate.

So what is the hold-up? That is the question. The stalling only makes things more tense.
A charge, a trial, and a verdict, as you say you are in favor, and we would not be having this dialogue.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT:

"Dragging someone into court when the evidence (which no one here knows what that fully is) is thin is irresponsible. You don't roll the dice on someone's fate because public pressure demands it. You take a responsible account of the evidence involved and you proceed in the appropriate manner."


Now, come again? Who needs to take note of Angela Corey? Who was calling for immediate charges be brought before all the evidence was gathered and felt that evidence could be sifted through later? YOU. Who was asking for a methodical and professional manner be taken, the same manner in which Angela Corey handled the case regardless of public pressure. ME.

You were one of the people pressuring her before she could complete her investigation. You were the one blindly speculating on what she was up to, questioning her integrity, and using terms like, "excuses" and "what's the hold up?" and now you have the audacity to tell me that I can learn from her grace and professionalism under fire. Huh??? Get bent. Nice flip of the switch.

OK, now I give you permission to respond but something tell me you won't. If you do it will probably be something in the way of a lame excuse that you have to ignore me because I'm not treating you with the respect you're somehow entitled to because of your age. I hope I don't have to inform you that respect is earned. And for the record, age, for the most part, has no hold on wisdom or intelligence. It would seem you had planned to school some kid. Sorry to disappoint you. Maybe if you're nice to me, next time, I'll help you with your homework.
 

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Another Democracy Now! exclusive:

Democracy Now! | Democracy Now! Headlines for April 20, 2012

Cop Who Called Shooting Victim Kenneth Chamberlain Sr. a Racial Slur ID’d:

There is a new development in the case of the police killing of 68-year-old Kenneth Chamberlain Sr... Attorneys for the Chamberlain family have identified the White Plains police officer who shouted a racial slur at Chamberlain prior to the fatal shooting. Attorneys said the officer, Steven Hart, is also named in an unrelated civil lawsuit alleging police brutality brought by a defendant who said he was slammed down to the ground during an arrest 15 months ago.
 

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A Westchester County grand jury has decided not to indict Officer Anthony Carelli for shooting Kenneth Chamberlain. To add insult to injury, the racial slur a police officer flung at Chamberlain was explained as simply being made in order to “distract” him.

No trial for White Plains cop who shot Marine - NY Daily News

Article Excerpt:

Chamberlain’s son, Kenneth Chamberlain Jr., called the failure to indict Carelli a “blatant cover up of the murderous tactics” used by the White Plains police.
“I have to question what evidence was presented to the grand jury,” he said. “It is hard to put trust in a system that I feel has failed me already.”
He and his lawyers will ask the U.S. Attorney General for a criminal investigation...
 

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A Westchester County grand jury has decided not to indict Officer Anthony Carelli for shooting Kenneth Chamberlain. To add insult to injury, the racial slur a police officer flung at Chamberlain was explained as simply being made in order to “distract” him.

No trial for White Plains cop who shot Marine - NY Daily News

Article Excerpt:

Chamberlain’s son, Kenneth Chamberlain Jr., called the failure to indict Carelli a “blatant cover up of the murderous tactics” used by the White Plains police.
“I have to question what evidence was presented to the grand jury,” he said. “It is hard to put trust in a system that I feel has failed me already.”
He and his lawyers will ask the U.S. Attorney General for a criminal investigation...
Yes I saw this on the news and was shocked it isn't going to trial. I mean the man told them he was okay and they wouldn't leave and essentially blamed him (the man they killed) and now try to justify racial insults as a ways to distract? This is a terrible injustice to the Chamberlain family.
 

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All right, this going way too far with the cops; These FUCKOS have to learn what is what when it comes to dealing with people and they goddamned well know it. Otherwise one of them will be convicted of whatever charge is handy and sent to a maximum security prison where the gen pop will murder him flat out just because.

'Nuff Said.