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What is you political offilliation?


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dcwrestlefan

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headbang8 said:
Oprah sucks.

god yer whiny. haha.

you would not think oprah sucked if you had seen her as an anchorwoman in baltimore in the late 70s. she had BIG BIG hair. like the biggest.

sorry. was not hijacking the thread. working on that loan to get mz into a mu-mu. carry on with the discussion.
 

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headbang8 said:
Americans DO have a problem with irony, don't they?

We're some droll fuckers alright.

What's your favourite colour? I hate orange.

Orange sucks, yellow too.

Do you like folk? I hate it.

I hate most of it, unless you consider Neil Young folk.

The bits of fat in Genoa salami are too big.

Mister, you are wise

Sony is not as reliable as it used to be.

A plague on all their houses!

Yellowstone is better than the Grand Canyon.

No opinion, having seen neither.

Sure is hot lately, ain't it?

Sure is.

Thunderbirds suck.

Okay you miserable self-loathing bastard- what the fuck is wrong with you after all? Why did it take me THIS long to pick a fight with you in the first place? You obviously have no appreciation for the classic American automobile, and lack the sympathy to let me grieve in private. Sure, it was a 78 T-bird, not exactly restored or nice, but the fucking pigs didn't have to scoop it up in 45 fucking minutes. You are like a whited scepulchre which is beautiful on the outside but inside houses dead men's bones and all things unclean. Take that, you prick!

*wrestles the stunned Headbang to the ground, ineffectually punches him in chest, then in utter disgust stuffs random weeds up his nostrils*

Oh, you didn't know I just lost my precious 78 t-bird a few weeks back when the cops towed it and fined me exhorbitantly? *sheepish grin* Nevermind.

Big tits are more trouble than they're worth.

They ain't worth shit to me.

The Giant Eagle is cheaper than the A&P.

And they both suck.

Castro was quite sexy when he was young.

He still speaks highly of you.

Oprah sucks.

Likely enough.

Sorry, that's the best I can do.

Pathetic, looks like I'm just not going to be able to fight with you. *sigh*

Love, and sleep tight.

HB8
Still Buzzed

You too- me too.
 

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Mme Z,
Yes, I was thinking the same thing when I was writing about it, that human rights abuse should go to the UN (or a UN-like organization that is not so messed up.) Someone needs to do it.

headbang8 said:
The United States government does a bad job of almost everything. Other governments around the world do such an excellent job of providing services; often, they can sell their service organisations at a profit. (And then watch the private sector fuck it up.)

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Part of the reason for so much inefficiency in US government is that, for historical reasons, we have so many layers and divisions. For example, in most countries, the police are employed at a national or state/provincil level. In the USA, every tiny burgh has to pay for a police department, as well as funding a share of state police and the feds.

headbang,
I hear ya on the excellent government services in other countries. I accept your list of examples and I agree in a pragmatic sense with your general assertion.

But then I need to say that as an American I am wary of efficient government. To Americans an efficient government is Mussollini making the trains run on time. This might be at the heart of the mystery. You see, I would be very concerned if the police department were made very efficient. For the same reason that I am concerned that Homeland Security is charged with unifying communications with all levels of law enforcement. Like most Americans, I carry DNA from the founding of our country in revolution and the formation of a federation of states. Does the rest of the world even know what we mean when we talk about "state's rights?".

So in principle, I am in complete agreement over the examples you gave for excellent and efficient government services. But as an American I am irrationally afraid of the notion of having an efficient government. I am not saying you are wrong though. I am just saying it scares me.
 

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madame_zora said:
DC, I think doubleteaming JA is long overdue. You bring the popsicle sticks and I'll bring the whipped cream and pineapple rings, okay? We'll save the duct tape and electrodes for next time.
That stuff I understand. Its the bird suet and the trained seals I am worried about.
 

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JustAsking said:
But then I need to say that as an American I am wary of efficient government. To Americans an efficient government is Mussollini making the trains run on time. This might be at the heart of the mystery. You see, I would be very concerned if the police department were made very efficient. ...Like most Americans, I carry DNA from the founding of our country in revolution and the formation of a federation of states.

Great insight as always, JA.

Hmmm...Americans despise weak, ineffectual government, and fear strong, effective government. That kinda leaves no government at all.

We used to make the world safe for democracy, now we're making the world safe for anarchy, no?

Do we feel uncomfortable with democracy because we don't trust our fellow citizens to make the right choices? Or do we resent government because democracy means that sometimes we won't get our own way?

Can we expect the rest of the world to trust us when we don't trust ourselves?

You've stated the dilemma in a concise. lucid, and self-aware manner, JA. An irrational fear of all government is not the same as a hatred of bad government. Americans confuse the two.

It's not in our DNA. The founding fathers were not anti-government. In fact, they wanted one of their own. The right kind of government was the way to ensure liberty, not destroy it.

Government becomes expensive and inefficient when we hand it over to private suppliers, who have a vested interest in performing as badly as it's possible to get away with.

Government in the US is reformable. How do we go about changing? that's a serious question. Because change we must.
 

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JustAsking said:
That stuff I understand. Its the bird suet and the trained seals I am worried about.
Eww, no, no way dude. No suet (it goes rancid) and no seals (they leave such a NASTY mess!) but you are on to something here. I guess you'll just have to wait and see what the Evil Zora and the Evil DC have plotted just for you. Perhaps it involves Navy Seals... my military A-school training was at Naval Amphibious Base, Little Creek. I wasn't a Seal, but that's where there were trained, also.

Now, back on topic, the government thing... you are always so insightful. It's funny, several posts have labelled me as "Libertarian," but no website descriptions of "libertarians" is a very good match for me. Like I mentioned before, I probably need my own descriptive label, "Constitutionalist."
 

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Hmmm. I was going to put "other," because I don't consider myself a liberal, "very" or otherwise. I see political liberalism as an ideology which posits that with some progressive/social democratic fine-tuning of society, everything will be swell. But I believe there will need to be more attention than liberalism pays to the roots of social and political problems to actually solve them.

On the other hand, it does seem a little disingenuous just to mark "other", knowing that in reality I'm on the far left side of the scale as this poll frames it.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Eww, no, no way dude. No suet (it goes rancid) and no seals (they leave such a NASTY mess!) but you are on to something here. I guess you'll just have to wait and see what the Evil Zora and the Evil DC have plotted just for you.

God, you people are so complicated. Doesn't anyone just fuck anymore? :biggrin1:
 

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headbang8 said:
Sorry to hear about the Thunderbird, Zora. Just baiting you 'cos I knew you had one. So...it's on to a Pontiac Sunfire, then?

Frighteningly close, sunBIRD.

Yeah, I blew the engine in the Tbird and I was going to give it to my mechanic for parts since he's solely responsible for keeping me on the road for the last year, but the fucking cops towed it (pulled safely off the highway) before he could get there, in 45 minutes! It's been a tough year. Someone wanted that car, it will restore nicely. (however, I'll key the fuck out of it if I see it around).


Okay, I'll stop hijacking now, carry on (but no liquids).
 

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Matthew said:
Hmmm. I was going to put "other," because I don't consider myself a liberal, "very" or otherwise. I see political liberalism as an ideology which posits that with some progressive/social democratic fine-tuning of society, everything will be swell. But I believe there will need to be more attention than liberalism pays to the roots of social and political problems to actually solve them.

On the other hand, it does seem a little disingenuous just to mark "other", knowing that in reality I'm on the far left side of the scale as this poll frames it.
At the end of the day, it's all belief. Beliefs change or are reinforced by certain scenarios, heck, before I was 15, I didn't think that big tits were all that..
 

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Here here. I am a libertarian, which means I will leave you alone and be pissed at you when you refuse to leave me alone. </gross oversimplification>

There are more libertarians here than I imagined there would be, and that makes my heart smile.
 

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zaphod said:
It would be interesting to know the where most members of lpsg are on the political scale. I am guessing it would be pretty liberal, but it would be nice to see a poll. I consider myself a libertarian mostly.

... Very interesting question. I find that over the years I do not fit into most questions about Political affiliation. Reason, it depends on the subject, and the severity of the issue.
... I have never been able to understand: "I am a ......." (take your pic) We all respond differently to each issue, so without an issue to use as a baseline, "I am A" becomes a conversation.

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I am a libertarian at heart. Just keep the govt out of my business. They have no right in it.

Unfortunately, the libertarians put up so many fruitcakes for election, the party is not taken seriously.