Politically Correct - Gay bashing responses at work

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  1. Rikter8

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    Anybody have any quick replies to co-workers that constantly take gay bashing antics to the line...but never cross, to get themselves in trouble?

    I constantly hear "You know what the bible says"
    "The bible says a man and a woman. Its black and white...no sheep, no dogs... no pigs and man."

    "Little fags dancing around the queer bar"
    etc etc are all comments I hear at work.

    The problem is, pinning one comment on one person since he stays within the lines, just vague enough not to get himself in trouble.

    How should a person reply to such a demon at work, and yet stay within the lines of corporate america?
     
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    Just casually make the comment that straight people are totally at fault and are directly responsible for homosexuals and that you can prove it. :eek:

    After your "pause for effect" just tell them that they're the ones that keep having gay babies!! And then just casually walk away smiling. :biggrin1:


    Well, it's true!! :tongue:
     
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    Depends where you live and what protections the law offers you. This may constitute harassment. First find out if your company or municipality or state (assuming you're in the US) has any non-discrimination laws for homosexuals. You may want to check with a lawyer (don't tell your employer you've done that) or a local/regional GLBT assistance organization. Check your employee handbook to see what the policy on harassment is. If there isn't one, talk to your HR department stating everything hypothetically. If you have no protections either via law or corporate policy, then the most you can do is ask them politely not to say those things. If there are protections then still ask them politely not to say those things. If they stop, great. If they do not, then go to HR and file a complaint. If HR does nothing, call a lawyer -- but only if there are legal protections, not just corporate. A good HR department will deal with this quickly. Just be aware of how this may effect the relationships with other employees.

    I suggest that if you can stand it and the comments are merely annoying, then ignore it because your managers seem to be tolerating it and if these people are fired because of your complaint, you could find yourself being prevented from advancement or even outright fired at a later time for some reason (such as giving you too many responsibilities you can't perform, contrary directions, or some other thing created specifically to get you fired without giving you a reason to sue). If you're about to quit your job over it or feel that they're damaging your performance at work, then go for it. Just be extremely careful.

    Good luck!
     
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    Don't act like that. If they are quoting the Bible, you should quote something back. When asked if He had a commandment, Christ said "this is My commandment. That you love one another." or maybe "If any man hates his brother, the love of the Father is not in him."

    They have the right to their point of view. They have the right to express their opinion. They don't have the right to abuse someone else. Politically correct is nothing more than suppression of freedom of speech.
     
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    How about this...

    "i'm, rubber and you're glue..."


    Here's the thing... YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE UNOFFENDED.


    OTHER people HAVE the right to disapprove of your lifestyle... and, in a free society, to express that disapproval.

    So I would say toughen the fuck up.

    Go ahead and express YOUR disapproval of their narrow mindedness...


    But trying to intimidate people into not saying what they think and feel thru threats to their livilihood....

    That is fascism.


    The Idea that there are words and phrases that BELONG to certain groups... and that other groups "can't" use them without suffering consequences....

    That's racist. And it doesn't result in "tolerance" nor "understanding"... it results in anger and resentment.


    How about this... everybody ask Santa for the same present this year... a sense of humor.

    Don't take yourself so seriously...

    Let other people be... just as stupid as they are... and enjoy the freedom to publicly ridicule their idiocy in return.

    You want people to GROW... to change? intimidation over their employment won't accomplish that.


    People only change their views when their views become an embarrassment to them.

    Litigation drives prejudice underground. Where it grows wild.

    Fear of being laughed at is what makes folks give their prejudices up.
     
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    As callous as it may sound. I have to agree.
     
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    I would tell them they truly out gayed them selves that time.
     
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    I have a right to WORK a job unoffended. Outside of work is a whole different story.

    Work, is work. Religion, politics, and racial tensions don't belong there. Hence the title of this thread "Politically correct".

    You can't express your full disapproval at work without being careful of how you phrase your words due to dismissal.
    Sneaky fucks like this WAIT for that to happen. They Bait.

    My point of this thread is how to squash the office antics in a politically correct way.

    Outside of work, I'd simply beat the living fuck out of him, and then make him walk home.
     
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    There is no freedom of speech in the workplace save for very specific circumstances. Sexual harassment is not one of them. On your own time, damn right. Say what you want. If you're on the clock though, all that ends:

     
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    You have the right to not be mistreated but you do not have the right to tell them they can't express their religious beliefs. Policies are usually set by employers but they have to be done within the confines of the constitution and federal laws. School systems, and employers have been getting in big trouble in the federal courts. Some peeps have taken it upon themselves to tell Christians they can't read their Bible or pray during their breaks or lunch time. They have been sued and are losing big time.
     
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    I had this same problem at my work and it came from people in management as well as the owner. I always felt it would be a big mistake to draw attention to myself by speaking out. I have however found out second hand that many people didn't stand for it and spoke out when I was not present. On several occasions I have gotten in someones face and said something to the effect that I'd rather be gay then a big fucking asshole like you.
     
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    Did they tell you the context of what was spoken?
    It's exactly the point of the thread and what im after.
     
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    Quote that open letter to Dr. Laura that went around a few years ago. The bible also says you can sell you daughter into slavery, How much are you going to sell her for?

    Little fags dancing around the queer bar. Wow you've been to a gay bar?! Something you ain't telling me?

    Everyone has the right to a harassment free workplace. The Supreme Court has even decided that straight males CAN sexually harass other straight males. The case involved workers on offshore oil platforms. A one time comment can be said to be just a stupid comment. The thing about harassment is that there is a pattern. The same person always making or doing the same actions.
     
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    Yes you do have the right to tell them they can't express their religious beliefs. They are free to pray quietly in a non-disruptive manner, and they can read their scriptures if it is permitted to bring personal effects into the workplace and the scriptures do not otherwise constitute harassment. What they have no protection for is expressing their religious beliefs on the clock if it is not part of the job. They are not free to harass other workers and hide behind their religious beliefs think they're protected because they are not.

    Once again, in many states and municipalities, gays have no protection against that kind of discrimination. This is why legal counsel will best answer your question.

    This is why I suggest talking to a lawyer.
     
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    At no time did I say they were free to abuse a coworker. But you better do some research on the religious discrimination part. People who support the suppression of the constitutional freedoms of others will one day be suppressed themselves.
     
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    What we are discussing is the workplace. When you go to work you are fulfilling a contract that places many restrictions upon you in return for value. If you work the phones, you can't yell, "Up yours," to the customer on the other end. If you work as Cinderella at Disneyworld you can't say, "Fuck off you little turd." You'd be fired and rightfully so. This is because you surrender some of your freedoms in exchange for employment. It's permitted because you are not forced to work for the employer. If free speech is more important to you than a paycheck, then quit or go to work for yourself. Otherwise you behave as the employer wants you to. All this should be made clear to you before you enter into the workplace. If the rules change, either deal with them or quit. Employers can, if you're an exempt employee, even impose behavioral restrictions on you when you are not at work if that restriction is contractually stated at the time of employment. The point is, when you agree to be employed, you agree to perform assigned tasks within your job description if you have one. Almost all job descriptions include a section which says in effect, "...and whatever else we tell you to do." You can refuse to do those things and risk being fired, lawfully or not, or you shut-up and do it, or you quit. Now, if you're an exempt employee and your employer specifies you to do something outside your contract, you can refuse or demand renegotiation of the contract. If they fire you, then you can sue for breach of contract. Of course employers are restricted in this as well. They can't force a non-exempt employee to do a job which requires licensure or specific training demanded by law when that employee does not have that license or training, take on exempt employee duties, or do anything that's illegal.

    Public employees have some different sets of rules depending upon their job, but these are generally very specific.

    About the only speech employers cannot control within the workplace are labor organization, Sarbanes-Oxley compliance, and some forms of whistleblowing.
     
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    It depends on the circumstances but you are not totally correct. I spend time every month reading about lawsuits placed against employers who practice religious discrimination and it includes freedom of speech. I work for an employer that can even fire you for buying beer at the grocery store on your way home from work. You cannot do anything in your uniform like buying beer to take home, buy a lottery ticket, buy your porno. However, they can limit but not deny your religious freedom of speech.

    Your point of view is the one that is being pushed by the ACLU. The ACLU is one of the biggest blackmailing extortionist organizations in the United States. They threaten lawsuits because they know peeps will cave in to avoid the expense. They were once a noble organization but have become side-tracked.
     
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    The examples you cited were people practicing their beliefs on their own time during the work day. The standard for judging discrimination there is what are other employees allowed to do for their time. If you allow people to bring books or magazines for their break, then you cannot deny somone the same opportunity just because they are reading scripture. If you do not permit reading material at all, then you can restrict that person's scripture as well.

    Some employers may not care if some employees spend their break and lunch times proselytizing to coworkers, but your right to religious freedoms end where harassment of others begins. We can see this situation with the Fred Phelps crew. They're exercising their freedom of speech and religion in public, on their time, and rightfully so. What they cannot do is interfere with the right of other people to peaceably assemble, which is also Constitutionally protected. This is how courts interpret these situations where two rights conflict with each other. The same works with harassment. Your religion may require you to tell homosexuals they're going to Hell any time you see a homosexual, but your right to do so ends where that person's rights begin and homosexuals sometimes have these rights under law.
     
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    You can handle this passive aggressively if you are in a Corporate Environment.

    1. Sneak their coffee mug into the bathroom dip it in the toilet and return.

    2. Subscribe for them a year's worth of the Advocate and have it delivered to them at work.

    3. Send them roses with a love note signed with a man's name. Have the delivery guy leave it at the front counter when he is away for a day - just to start the rumor mill.

    Or you can just calmly say after a disparaging remark,

    "No shit? I thought you were gay."

    or

    "Did you choose to be a bigot or are you just born that way?"

    or

    "Next time you say something like that this fag's gonna beat the living snot out of you"
     
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