Politicians Are Talking Bullshit, Part Two

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  1. Penis Aficionado

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    In fairness, I should point out that Obama's health care plan is also bullshit.

    For him it's all about providing coverage for the 47 million uninsured. But most of those 47 million are people like me in my 20s -- in good health, thought I was invincible, never went to the doctor anyway ... so why give up a chunk of my paycheck for this "health insurance" that I'm never going to use?

    Some people also argue that the 47 million figure includes the illegal immigrants, although Obama says it doesn't.

    True, some of the 47 million are people with too much income for Medicaid, who work for small employers not required to provide health insurance. And that needs to be addressed.

    However, there's a far larger problem: people who have insurance, but when they actually get sick find out that the treatment they need isn't covered under their plans. Or comes with such high copays and deductibles that they can't afford it.

    Obama's plan does little about that, because it keeps health insurance as basically a bonus of your employment. And at a time when American businesses are getting killed by foreign competition because of health insurance costs, Obama wants to put *more* of the health-insurance burden on businesses.

    It's wildly unrealistic to believe that you can maintain a system in which the insurance companies have incentive to keep down healthcare costs, and every American business has incentive to keep down the healthcare costs of its workers, and yet somehow these workers are going to get all the healthcare they need. It gets to the heart of the cowardice of the Democratic Party.

    Democrats always address working-class and middle-class people and say, "The big corporations, with their greed, are the cause of your suffering."

    In this case, they blame the insurance companies, which put their own profits ahead of the health of American citizens.

    But instead of directly confronting the greed of the insurance companies, and proposing measures which would make that greed irrelevant, the Democrats attempt to *compensate* for that greed through social programs, paid for by the very same American citizens they want to protect! And even if the Democrats prevail in this attempt, they leave the greedy insurance companies intact, to figure out another way to screw people over, which will require the Democrats to compensate once again ... it's a neverending, vicious circle.

    For example, Obama's solution to the problem of people with pre-existing conditions unable to get insurance is to basically put them on the health plan for federal workers, at taxpayers' expense.

    Instead, Obama could simply propose a law that insurance companies cannot deny coverage to anyone based on pre-existing conditions.

    And when the big, greedy insurance companies grumble about that, Obama could say, "Tough shit. If you're not willing to cover every American, then it's Medicare for all and you go out of business."

    Oh, but that would be "socialized medicine," a situation even worse than what we have now.

    Well, the Democrats have just finished telling me how terrible the current health-care system is. If "socialized medicine" -- the standard in pretty much every other first-world nation -- is so much worse, then how bad could our current system really be?

    The bottom line is that, in some circumstances, the logical conclusion of Democrats' arguments is Western Europe-style democratic socialism. But the Democratic Party in the U.S. won't own up to that fact. Which makes them look cowardly, weak and devious.
     
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    Insurance companies need to be out of the basic healthcare picture entirely. Their sole purpose is to make money. That's it. They're middlemen who add no value to the healthcare system what-so-ever.

    In other countries many people have private supplementary policies to their national healthcare plan and that seems to work well. Many Canadians have them as part of their employment benefits. Otherwise, I do not trust my life, health, and welfare on an insurance company.
     
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    Amen to that.

    If only the Democrats had the balls to say so -- because it's the logical conclusion of the arguments that they make.
     
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