PolitiFact.com cites "Death Panels" as LIE OF THE YEAR -- & Smacks Sarah Palin DOWN!

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  1. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    Most of the libs on this board instinctively knew that conservatives in general and Sarah Palin in particular were, once again, playing on the common man's fear. Fear tactics. The fear card. A skill conservatives honed so well during the Bush, Jr. years (like red/orange/yellow/blue/green terror alerts and Guantanamo offensives and shouts of Obama being a "Muslim, schooled in a radical madrassa!").


    Ok. It's Just Desserts time for that politico-bitch and fearmonger Sarah Palin. Her outright falsehoods and distortions are starting to catch up with her.

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    From PolitiFact.com, a 2009 Pulitzer Prize winner

    PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'


    Of all the falsehoods and distortions in the political discourse this year, one stood out from the rest.

    "Death panels."

    ... Sarah Palin posted it on her Facebook page.

    Her assertion — that the government would set up boards to determine whether seniors and the disabled were worthy of care — spread through newscasts, talk shows, blogs and town hall meetings.


    "As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we're saying not just no, but hell no!" Palin wrote.

    "The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's ‘death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."


    It wasn't the first time opponents of the Democratic plans for health care had raised the specter of euthanasia. In February, the conservative editorial page of the Washington Times compared plans for more funding for health information technology with eugenics programs instituted in Nazi Germany.

    House Republican Leader John Boehner issued a statement July 23 that said, "This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

    Palin's statement then launched the health care debate into overdrive. The term was mentioned in news reports approximately 6,000 times in August and September, according to the Nexis database. By October, it was still being mentioned 150 to 300 times a week.


    The phrase "death panels" appears to be original to Palin. A search of news databases showed no use prior to her Facebook posting.


    On Aug. 10, PolitiFact rated Palin's statement Pants on Fire. In the weeks that followed, health care policy experts on both the right and the left said the euthanasia comparisons were inaccurate. Gail Wilensky, a health adviser to President George H.W. Bush, said the charge was untrue and upsetting.

    Two independent polls showed that about 30 percent of the public believed death panels were part of health care reform, both the week after Palin made the comment and a month later.

    PolitiFact | PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'
     
  2. B_ccc888

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    REPUBLICANS lie ?

    Not a surprise............

    Fiscal sanity ? How can we believe in a GOP Vice President Wannabee bitch who love to spend $ 150K on outfits in campaign money ?

    GOP doesn't believe in government run health insurance and "death panel"
    but let the PRIVATE INSURANCE companies do the jobs...........

    Yeah right.
     
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    Republicans have to lie. It's the only way to convince the masses to vote against their own best interests.
     
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    A great pick!
     
  5. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    It's just very disturbing how Sarah skips from one falsehood to the next, on Facebook, in speehes, in her book; there's never any accountability, the media eats it up, especially conservatives like Hannity and Beck... all of them!; her base only loves her more --- and moderate, rational GOPers are afraid to talk negatively about her in fear of political retaliation.
     
  6. Wyldgusechaz

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    She is right, she certainly could have worded it different but you guys are wrong, there HAS to be "Death Panels>" It has started already. Mammograms are being denied to women under 50.

    "No mammograms under age 50?" by Rose Stricker -- WCLO

    Thats a death panel, in no uncertain terms.

    Willtom you fail. Just be honest, medical care has to be rationed. The way it gets rationed is a death panel. Medicare cost $10000/senior or $460 billion/46 million retirees. A family of 4 will pay close to $20000 for medical insurance if it approximates medicare expenses.
     
  7. B_VinylBoy

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    I don't think anyone is actually surprised by this.
    Well... not just anyone, of course. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Channelwood

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    This is irony at its greatest. Defend a liar BY POSTING A BLATANT LIE!

    "Mammograms are being denied to women under 50."

    Absolutely not. The suggested guidelines for when women should routinely have mammograms have changed. No woman is being denied a mammogram on the basis of these guidelines.

    The "panel of doctors and scientists concluded that getting screened for breast cancer so early and so often is harmful, causing too many false alarms and unneeded biopsies without substantially improving women's odds of surviving the disease."

    "The benefits are less and the harms are greater when screening starts in the 40s," said Dr. Diana Petitti, vice chair of the panel.

    "The new guidelines were issued by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, whose stance influences coverage of screening tests by Medicare and many insurance companies. But Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry group, said insurance coverage isn't likely to change because of the new guidelines."



    You're a liar, bent on manipulating people, in no uncertain terms.
     
  9. Industrialsize

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    There are NO death panels, from the Bill:
    Section 1302b (p. 105) (4) --In defining the essential health benefits under paragraph (1), the Secretary shall--

    (D) ensure that health benefits established as essential not be subject to denial to individuals against their wishes on the basis of the individuals' age or expected length of life or of the individuals' present or predicted disability, degree of medical dependency, or quality of life
    That's for the plans in the exchanges. As for the Independent Medicare Advisory Board, charged with submitting proposals to reduce the Medicare per capita growth rate when that rate is projected to pass certain benchmarks:
    Section 3403, amending Section 1899A (p. 1004) -- (ii) The proposal shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums...increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility standards.
     
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    Since Newsweek and the Nobel Prize carries little credibility...

    nevermind

    PolitiFact.com

    who? wtf? quit blog cut/pasting... let me guess this is a completely unbiased objective ... wait ....who is politifact.com???? guessing it's the KKK-of-the-left...
     
  11. B_VinylBoy

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    It's a website with a voice that has a lot more credibility than you, troll. :rolleyes:
     
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    I just wonder how many times they can tell the lie before the masses wake up? Apparently a lot a lot of times. Just lie repeatedly and on as many outlets as possible.

    My favorite:

    [SIZE=-1]'How To Build A Fraud' by Paul Waldman[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=-1]Portray son of one of America&#8217;s most influential families as down-home Texan [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Berate media as "liberal" until they stop asking tough questions [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Take advantage of reporters&#8217; tendency to not check the facts [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Mask reactionary policies in compassionate words and pictures [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Push false stories from right-wing media into mainstream media [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Extol the virtues of workers while systematically pushing an anti-labor agenda [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Propose a series of tax cuts aimed at the wealthy, but sell them as a boon to ordinary Americans [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Disguise destructive initiatives with friendly sounding names [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Befriend media with "genuine guy" routine [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Keep the public from accessing information [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Maintain message discipline at all times [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Question patriotism of anyone who disagrees [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Repeat above until it all seems true <---- VERY VERY IMPORTANTT[/SIZE]
     
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    Listening to Sarah Palin speak makes me want to insert a knitting needle in my ear and pound it through my head with a meat mallet.
     
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    You know what else is a death panel? A private insurance company that determines if you get a treatment or not.

    The difference is that you pay them for the privilege.
     
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    sarah palin eats small children... prove it isnt true.
     
  16. midlifebear

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    Very good! Very, very good! :smile:
     
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