Poll: Republicans Think Obama Is A Socialist, Palin More Qualified To Be President

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"63% think Obama is a socialist."

What is a socialist? Why is it bad if Obama was one? Why is it bad or dangerous if our country became socialist? Or is our country already socialist in some ways? If we are not socialist, then are we pure orthodox capitalists? Would you care if Obama was a socialist? Or would you think it was actually a good thing if Obama was a socialist? Can someone please clearly compare and contrast socialism with Obama's ideals and political goals without calling me an ignorant hateful racist redneck idiot? What aspects clearly differentiate Obama from a socialist? What would Obama do differently if he was/wasn't a socialist? Isn't socialism in its most literal meaning (as opposed to political meaning) a fundamental ideal of liberals/progressives? Have you heard about a spectrum of socialist philosophy with a right and a left; the left bordering on communism/Marxism and the right bordering on free-market democracy (called modern social democracy)? Can someone please answer some of these questions? And I know its a lot to ask, but can you please cite at least some real-world examples and sourced facts in this task without simply just declaring your own opinion of the matter?

I know what I think, but apparently there are many who find this to be an outrageous opinion. So, I am really honestly interested to be educated in the subject. Yes, I know what Wikipedia and Google are, and I've already put them to good use here. I like discussion.
 
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Exactly. Anything from the Daily Kos is either an outright lie or severely skewed
How bout doing your homework before you post a knee-jerk reaction, jackass?
Oh wait, the OP already did it for you on pg. 1 of a 2 pg. thread. Here 'tis:

Yup, self-indentified Republicans. FYI, DailyKos hires the NON-Partisn Reasearch2000 to conduct polls on various issues:
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Coincidentally, in response to the post you just quoted. How bout that? Now who's 'skewed'?
 
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And most Democrats refuse to listen to criticism of Obama, believing it to be based purely in bitterness of defeat and partisan vitriol. And when they criticized Bush it was completely disinterested commentary :rolleyes:

What is your point here? I don't think it's gonna devolve any more really. Republicans give conservatives a bad name. Much as hippies and pot smoking bums give progressives a bad name.


Notice how there's no poll source. It was a (de)arranged poll by DailyKos et al. Beyond unscientific, and assuredly seeded and biased.
 

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Notice how there's no poll source. It was a (de)arranged poll by DailyKos et al. Beyond unscientific, and assuredly seeded and biased....

...Just like every poll ever sourced on this board from any partisan hack.
Your point? If you can make one that doesn't make you sound like a blithering fool? As if we don't know where all of this is leading anyhow?
 
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Socialism? In America? Look no farther than the military. They live in subsidized housing on bases like a big, crowded (but publicly-funded) kibbutz; they shop in the PX, which is a monopoly chain of socialist, subsidized markets; they draw their paycheck from the government; they get socialized health care; they have daycare and publicly-funded education for their kids; and they wear socialist uniforms. They deride "socialism", but they'll fight tooth and nail for every one of their socialized benefits. I grew up between military bases and half my friends growing up were military brats. They exist in a socialist utopia, then fling arrows at others.

Obama a socialist? Hardly. It's an easy word to try to use as an epithet, but ridiculously untrue. He was a professor at a private university for 12 years. (My university - specifically, my law school.) His wife was a corporate VP in the private sector. The US would be a million times better off with a touch of socialism to temper the unfair hard edge of unfettered free markets, but Obama's hardly the one to bring it. Conservatives gotta look for another bogey man.

Good post. I can certainly tell you that every military person does NOT consider the military a socialist utopia. This socialist "utopia" you speak of is the reason why I got out of the military. I thought, "Hell, here I am fighting for freedom and I don't have a damn ounce of freedom for myself. I love freedom. I'm outa here." That was after honorably fulfilling my four-year enlistment of course. But you should not knock the military for fighting to keep their benefits. They deserve every benefit they get and more. They've sold their souls. If you give up your life to become the tool of the government, then you are also the beneficiary of the government. It's not that great of a deal in my opinion. I'm hear to tell you that it's like making a deal with the devil. Sure you can live in a military "socialist utopia" but then when your military boss tells you, "hey you expendable grunt, go kill that human being or else...", perhaps you will no longer believe in the beauty of socialist utopia.

What does "unfettered free markets" mean? How are the free markets unfettered? What is the Federal Trade Commission, the US Securities and Exchange Commission, the US Department of the Treasury, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the Federal Reserves System, the Bureau of Consumer Protection, the Bureau of Competition, the Bureau of Economics, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of Currency, the National Credit Union Administration? What does each of these organizations do? Unfettered free market huh?

Here is the long list regulatory legislation put out by just a single one of this plethora of US financial regulatory organizations: The Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the Establishment of the Temporary National Economic Committee of 1938, the Securities Act Amendments of 1964, the Securities Disclosure Act of 1968, the Securities and Exchange Act of 1975, the Depository Institutions and Deregulation Money Control Act of 1980, the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982, the Insider Trading Sanctions Act of 1984, the Insider Trading and Securities Fraud Enforcement Act of 1988, the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, the Regulation NMS of 2007? And don’t forget the recent bailouts and corresponding regulation of banking and auto industries that were “too big to fail”. Unfettered free market???? Where??? :confused:

The United States is absolutely not a purely free market/capitalist economy. It is a MIXED economy. It has characteristics of both socialist and capitalist economies. It's a fact Jack. Look it up; "mixed economy".

And just because a person benefits from the system does not mean that he will not bite the hand that feeds him. Michael Moore made a movie denouncing capitalism. So, he "obviously" must have never benefited from capitalism right? Everyone who benefits from capitalism as a rule must love capitalism right?
 

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Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the following statistics, they are startling:
• 39% of Republicans want President Obama to be impeached.
• 63% think Obama is a socialist.
• Only 42% believe Obama was born in the United States.
• 53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.
• 23% want to secede from the United States.
• 73% think gay people should not be allowed to teach in public schools.
• 31% want contraception to be outlawed.

Poll: Republicans Think Obama Is A Socialist, And Palin More Qualified To Be President | TPMDC

HAHAHAHA :lmao: :rofl: they really do live in their own little world!
 

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Notice how there's no poll source. It was a (de)arranged poll by DailyKos et al. Beyond unscientific, and assuredly seeded and biased.

Not.

Industrialsize posted (right here in this thread) the following link to the full poll:

Daily Kos :: State of the Nation

Scroll to the bottom to see the clearly stated methodology, which included random, geographic sampling.
 

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Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the following statistics, they are startling:
• 39% of Republicans want President Obama to be impeached.
• 63% think Obama is a socialist.
• Only 42% believe Obama was born in the United States.
• 53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.
• 23% want to secede from the United States.
• 73% think gay people should not be allowed to teach in public schools.
• 31% want contraception to be outlawed.

Poll: Republicans Think Obama Is A Socialist, And Palin More Qualified To Be President | TPMDC

Remember that eight years of Republican "thinking, believing and acting" are the reasons why Obama is in office.

 

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the thing is, that they polled self identifying republicans. which is only like 33% of eligible voters, in 2008 i believe like 130,000,000 people voted. what is that like 43 million ish?

53% (the Sarah Palin one)is like 22-23 million people tops. they use percentages to make it seem more significant than it really is.
 

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the thing is, that they polled self identifying republicans. which is only like 33% of eligible voters, in 2008 i believe like 130,000,000 people voted. what is that like 43 million ish?

53% (the Sarah Palin one)is like 22-23 million people tops. they use percentages to make it seem more significant than it really is.

Step over here and this nice man will explain to you how polling works....
 

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Notice how there's no poll source. It was a (de)arranged poll by DailyKos et al. Beyond unscientific, and assuredly seeded and biased.

Not.

Industrialsize posted (right here in this thread) the following link to the full poll:

Daily Kos :: State of the Nation

Scroll to the bottom to see the clearly stated methodology, which included random, geographic sampling.

:eek: A Republican in my town personally told me that he didn't believe in statistics and polls.:eek: I guess it was too cerebral for his mind to grasp.


 

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If the first four were so horrid, just wondering why Kerry got destroyed in the election for Jr's 2nd term??

Might have had something to do with not calling into question the results of Ohio's polling numbers, which were documented in ROLLING STONE. There was obvious cheating. Destroyed? Bush the twit didn't win by a landslide.
 

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If the first four were so horrid, just wondering why Kerry got destroyed in the election for Jr's 2nd term??

Because Bush and company duped you into believing that Gays were public enemy number one, which rallied up the homophobes in the one swing state that determined the election. That would be Ohio.

If you need help... lemme give you three words.
SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Please tell me you didn't forget this bullshit rally cry that temporarily demonized the gay community for political points? :rolleyes:
 
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Because Bush and company duped you into believing that Gays were public enemy number one, which rallied up the homophobes in the one swing state that determined the election. That would be Ohio.

Not to burst your bubble there, VB - but no one even cared about this issue other than the gay community - and they voted with Kerry anyway. The homophobe vote always goes to the repubs. All this stammering around and hyperventilating amounted to a hill of beans.

Please tell me you didn't forget this bullshit rally cry that temporarily demonized the gay community for political points? :rolleyes:

But if Bush was soooo evil and the first 4 years such a disaster, the people didn't think enough of Kerry to get Bush & co. out?

You are pinning the entire election on the gay marriage issue? Wow, sometimes I think you look at the entire world through 'gay eyes' and not 'human being eyes.' Then again, maybe your eyes are just closed anyway.