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[Max_Polo]

This is another clear case where you and I are not likely to agree on much. I've stated my opinions, and why they are what they are.

I'm out. This circle can continue in the politics section.

You seem frustrated and I really don't want that to be the case. I'd suggest that there's a lot here we agree on. PM or whatever if you want to discuss further but not if going to ruin your morning. Certainly not my intent.

 

[Novaboy]

You can regulate anything you want. But people will always be able to get around these issues, whether it be guns, gambling, drugs, money laundering, prostitution etc. my personal opinion is, if I see a lot of guns, and I know these people are in theory have some training I feel safer. My theory if some rogue NUT might be concerned of someone blowing his fuckin head off.

Just my opinion.

I'm afraid you may be right. There are now so many heavy duty guns stockpiled in basements all over the USA that it may be too late for any regulations. The NRA and the politicians that fear them have let it get to this point. No harm in trying though!

 

[FastNHard]

@FastNHard @Max_Polo
The FACT is, if you compare the number of guns, and the number of gun deaths per capita in the UK and America it is very clear what the problem is. You don't need the right to have guns. The 'well regulated militia' is nonsense really; you just have random idiots, crazy people, and drug addicts with guns. When push comes to shove, or if it ever does, the armed forces and the police are the people. They are not ever going to oppress the people, because those people are their parents, siblings, husbands and wives, and children.

If you really are living in fear of crack / meth addicts (with guns) then it would make sense to also tackle the drug problems.

Tackle the drug problem? There's the joke of the day. Do you have Any idea how many drugs come to the US from Mexico? Truck loads upon truck loads..... You cannot compare the UK to the US as far as any of that stuff goes, you have no idea,,,, really. I live in a county that has had the highest meth additions in my state and pretty sure was top 10 in the US at one point not long ago. Everyone in this county knows or is related to at least one meth head, me included.

 

[Novaboy]

Please show me where I have said any of these things. I have not, because I do not agree. The alt-left sure seem to think they know what everyone else thinks. At least get your facts straight before you indict.

How do you distinguish an AR-15 from my Sauer or Jarrett? How much ammunition should I be allowed to have? The only reason this guy had so many weapons is that he could afford to. He only needed three or four to accomplish what he did.

Right here you defend his right to own all of these weapons because "he could have done what he did with 3 or 4". So therefor no restrictions on quantity are needed? How about no more than one of these guns? How about only handguns or rifles. Who let assault weapons become legal? I agree with with TnJ. Disscusions on this topic with you are a waste of time an energy. And you wonder why she (and me?) is frustrated.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

You can regulate anything you want. But people will always be able to get around these issues, whether it be guns, gambling, drugs, money laundering, prostitution etc. my personal opinion is, if I see a lot of guns, and I know these people are in theory have some training I feel safer. My theory if some rogue NUT might be concerned of someone blowing his fuckin head off.
Just my opinion.

Let's leave opinion out of it shall we? Compare the number of people killed by firearm in the US to every other Western nation in the world with more regulated gun laws. Regulations *can and often *do minimize the damage.

We're killing ourselves left and right while the rest of the world has their faces in their hands.

 

[950483]

So

Tackle the drug problem? There's the joke of the day. Do you have Any idea how many drugs come to the US from Mexico? Truck loads upon truck loads..... You cannot compare the UK to the US as far as any of that stuff goes, you have no idea,,,, really. I live in a county that has had the highest meth additions in my state and pretty sure was top 10 in the US at one point not long ago. Everyone in this county knows or is related to at least one meth head, me included.

So you would rather just accept that is the way things are and the way they must be?
I'm not really sure what your point is here.

 

[950483]

Let's leave opinion out of it shall we? Compare the number of people killed by firearm in the US to every other Western nation in the world with more regulated gun laws.

We're killing ourselves left and right while the rest of the world has their faces in their hands.

I never have any intention of visiting America. It's just fucking mental .

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Let's leave opinion out of it shall we? Compare the number of people killed by firearm in the US to every other Western nation in the world with more regulated gun laws.

We're killing ourselves left and right while the rest of the world has their faces in their hands.

If you look at anything I write, it is MY opinion. You, and EVERY OTHER person has an OPINION. Will a change in gun laws change the fact that people are killing each other? Possibly. Better than gun control, plug the electric chair back in, reconnect the gas chamber..... and perhaps make sure that the lethal injections actually kill a convicted killer. Perhaps, just make it a Pay Per View Event. We can solve the National debt and perhaps get the statistics back in line. The sick crazy people in our society would probably pay to watch. Just POSSIBLY. AND it is MY OPINION.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I never have any intention of visiting America. It's just fucking mental .

I Love my country abso-Fucking-lutely, but I don't deny our flaws.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

If you look at anything I write, it is MY opinion. You, and EVERY OTHER person has an OPINION. Will a change in gun laws change the fact that people are killing each other? Possibly. Better than gun control, plug the electric chair back in, reconnect the gas chamber..... and perhaps make sure that the lethal injections actually kill a convicted killer. Perhaps, just make it a Pay Per View Event. We can solve the National debt and perhaps get the statistics back in line. The sick crazy people in our society would probably pay to watch. Just POSSIBLY. AND it is MY OPINION.

Ok. I already knew it was your opinion. So, yeah

I disagree. Heavily.

Anyway, have a good weekend.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Which part did you disagree with? The fact that I stated it was my opinion?? EVERYONE with any intelligence has one. You have one that differs with mine. I have ZERO problem with that. You are simply stating matter of factly that I am WRONG. And that is YOUR OPINION. You have an excellent weekend also. I'm sure we will be in disagreement in some other areas also.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Which part did you disagree with? The fact that I stated it was my opinion??

No, the part about the death penalty shit. Literally the only reason I'm against it is the fact that 4% of people we put to death are innocent. That's completely unacceptable. So, I disagree that bringing back public executions would be in any way beneficial.

I'm not pro death of innocent people. And as long as the death penalty exists, we will kill innocent people. I can't support that.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Fair enough. Hopefully if they were wrongly convicted, DNA and Project Innocence will get them out. I don’t know if your 4% is correct. If it is, that is pityful. I hope to God that your number is incorrect.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Fair enough. Hopefully if they were wrongly convicted, DNA and Project Innocence will get them out. I don’t know if your 4% is correct. If it is, that is pityful.

Look it up. We kill innocent people. We do.

 

[Max_Polo]

I'm not pro death of innocent people. And as long as the death penalty exists, we will kill innocent people. I can't support that.

I am pro death penalty in general, obviously not absent guilt. But the 4% number is far from concrete and was the result of a review performed by an anti-death penalty group.

"The four authors reviewed the outcomes of the 7,482 death sentences handed down from 1973 to 2004. Of that group, 117, or 1.6 percent, were exonerated.

But with enough time and resources, the authors concluded that at least 4.1 percent of death row inmates would have been exonerated. In other words, more than 200 other prisoners would have been cleared during those three decades."​

One is too many, but 4% is likely nonsense and certainly not definitive.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I am pro death penalty in general

One is too many, but 4% is likely nonsense and certainly not definitive.

If one is too many then why defend it? We have certainly killed more than one innocent person in recent history with the death penalty.

Makes no sense.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

I do have a question. Are you talking 4% in a certain State or are you speaking Nationwide? The reason I ask is that in modern times, not all that many people have been executed. I will say that that is why there is an automatic appeals process for a Death Row Candidate.

 

[Max_Polo]

If one is too many then why defend it? We have certainly killed more than one innocent person in recent history with the death penalty.

Makes no sense.

I defend it because I believe it effective. Absent the death penalty, how many more innocent victims would there be? No system is perfect, but the criminal justice system is getting better, as it should. But if we accept zero errors there, and say that airplanes should be so safe that they never crash, we'll never fly.

 

[950483]

No, the part about the death penalty shit. Literally the only reason I'm against it is the fact that 4% of people we put to death are innocent. That's completely unacceptable. So, I disagree that bringing back public executions would be in any way beneficial.

I'm not pro death of innocent people. And as long as the death penalty exists, we will kill innocent people. I can't support that.

He is right about one thing though - it would make a fortune on PPV.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I defend it because I believe it effective. Absent the death penalty, how many more innocent victims would there be? No system is perfect, but the criminal justice system is getting better, as it should. But if we accept zero errors there, and say that airplanes should be so safe that they never crash, we'll never fly.

I don't believe it effective.

People on planes accept the risk they're taking. People accused of crimes they did not commit, not a comparable circumstance.

And, imo, with Jeff Sessions in office, criminal justice has taken a Leap backwards.