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[950483]

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I defend it because I believe it effective. Absent the death penalty, how many more innocent victims would there be? No system is perfect, but the criminal justice system is getting better, as it should. But if we accept zero errors there, and say that airplanes should be so safe that they never crash, we'll never fly.

You don't need to have a death penalty. Just keep them locked up. Put an end to prisons being run for profit, and don't send people down for minor, trivial stuff.

 

[Max_Polo]

I don't believe it effective.

Well, it certainly is specifically effective. Whether it is a general deterrent is the subject of great debate by others who know much more than I.

People on planes accept the risk they're taking. People accused of crimes they did not commit, not a comparable circumstance.

Good point. Some of my analogies are better than others.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Well, it certainly is specifically effective. Whether it is a general deterrent is the subject of great debate by others who know much more than I..

Is it tho? I really don't think it is.

@swoon... I agree with ya. Just keep em locked up and end the private prison system and quit over crowding them with not violent offenders.

 

[twoton]

I never have any intention of visiting America. It's just fucking mental .

It's really not all that bad. Seriously.
We're not all walking around with firearms. In fact, in my entire life I've only ever seen ONE person in public with a handgun holstered to his waist. It was in a grocery store about two years ago. It made me very uncomfortable. He and his wife were blocking the shelf where the jelly was. I grabbed a jar as soon as I could and bolted.

We're not all wearing white hoods or dodging MS-13. Most didn't vote for Trump, and many who did had reasonable reasons for it.

99.999% of the time we simply go about our daily lives and only clash on social media.

 

[Max_Polo]

Is it tho? I really don't think it is.

@swoon... I agree with ya. Just keep em locked up and end the private prison system and quit over crowding them with not violent offenders.

Specific deterrence: the executed commits no future crimes. Certainly.

General deterrence: the death penalty deters crime not yet committed. Debated. Hotly I'd bet. Knowing that I may get a ticket prevents me from driving like I'm in Le Mans. The question is whether that logic extends to capital crimes.

 

[twoton]

Specific deterrence: the executed commits no future crimes. Certainly.

General deterrence: the death penalty deters crime not yet committed. Debated. Hotly I'd bet. Knowing that I may get a ticket prevents me from driving like I'm in Le Mans. The question is whether that logic extends to capital crimes.

So far as I know, there's no evidence supporting it either way.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Things would be so much better if Obama could have taken 4 more years by Executive Decision. We’d be bowing to the Koreans.

Throw out Sessions and Trump. I loved Bill Clinton but his wife is an absolute idiot, in my humble opinion. I personally wouldn’t want her as Chief Dog Catcher, however I might have considered a different Democratic candidate. Let’s face it. President Trump is the President. Don’t like him? Vote him out in the next Presidential election.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Specific deterrence: the executed commits no future crimes. Certainly.

General deterrence: the death penalty deters crime not yet committed. Debated. Hotly I'd bet. Knowing that I may get a ticket prevents me from driving like I'm in Le Mans. The question is whether that logic extends to capital crimes.

They don't commit crimes anymore if they're locked up either. (Well, they *can still commit crimes on the inside, but you get my point I hope) We do have the capability to do that.

The kinds of crimes that deserve the death penalty are the kinds committed by people who aren't going to be deterred by the punishment anyway. That kind of criminal isn't going to be swayed.

Sorry, I just don't see why we Need to kill people.

 

[Max_Polo]

The kinds of crimes that deserve the death penalty are the kinds committed by people who aren't going to be deterred by the punishment anyway.

I believe that is one of the primary debating points of the broader anti-death penalty argument. And I know not what research says; the only data point I know is my own, which I pointed out is quite different and may not even apply.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Do we simply keep building jails & overcrowding then? Do we let out the child molestier or the huge drug kingpins to make room. Our system is certainly NOT perfect. Look at those idiots in Washington. BOTH SIDES. Lowest approval I believe in history. Throw every single one of them out. Replace every single one of them with 10 year olds. Those kids could do a far better job than those Clowns in Washington. And, I bet they would play nice & share.

 

[950483]

It's really not all that bad. Seriously.
We're not all walking around with firearms. In fact, in my entire life I've only ever seen ONE person in public with a handgun holstered to his waist. It was in a grocery store about two years ago. It made me very uncomfortable. He and his wife were blocking the shelf where the jelly was. I grabbed a jar as soon as I could and bolted.

We're not all wearing white hoods or dodging MS-13. Most didn't vote for Trump, and many who did had reasonable reasons for it.

99.999% of the time we simply go about our daily lives and only clash on social media.

Well you say that, but I'm pretty sure the shit would really hit the fan if I went to the shop to buy some JAM and insisted on calling it fucking JAM!

 

[Max_Polo]

Well you say that, but I'm pretty sure the shit would really hit the fan if I went to the shop to buy some JAM and insisted on calling it fucking JAM!

Depends on which store.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Do we simply keep building jails & overcrowding then? Do we let out the child molestier or the huge drug kingpins to make room.

No. It was already stated that Non-Violent offenders shouldn't be taking up space. The private prison industry is what puts those not violent people behind the walls.

End the private prison system, and rather than lock up low level offenders, get them some *actual rehabilitation. Prison is not a rehab. It's a punishment. Or, sentence them to community service rather than lock them up.

Child molesters are not non-violent offenders. Drug kingpins wouldn't be a thing if we ended the stupid war on drugs, legalize and regulate. Take the power out of the hands of the criminals.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

I think a parent of the child that was molested would think differently.

I do agree totally with the community service. The problem is that system is so rigged that no one would be doing the community service. Kind of like when Lindsay Lohan was doing the community service. Not doing it.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I think a parent of the child that was molested would think differently.

I do agree totally with the community service. The problem is that system is so rigged that no one would be doing the community service. Kind of like when Lindsay Lohan was doing the community service. Not doing it.

They're allowed their opinion as well. We already clarified that. I'm allowed to disagree with 'em. I think revenge killing is nothing more than 2 wrongs that don't add up to a "right".

That's not to say I don't understand the urge. I know what it's like to hate. I know what it's like to have spite in my heart. I just don't let it take over my logically thinking rational mind.

The system is rigged, so why bother? Is that your point? Then why bother having the death penalty? Just a rigged system, right?

 

[950483]

I think a parent of the child that was molested would think differently.

I do agree totally with the community service. The problem is that system is so rigged that no one would be doing the community service. Kind of like when Lindsay Lohan was doing the community service. Not doing it.

That would also depend on the circumstances, there could well be further charges against a sex offender, other crimes could come to light. Google Ian Brady if you like. He died from natural causes in the end, but a certain amount of satisfaction can be gained from knowing how much he hated being in prison for all those years.
The death penalty just drags decent people down to the level of the person committing an unforgivable crime.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

They're allowed their opinion as well. We already clarified that. I'm allowed to disagree with 'em. I think revenge killing is nothing more than 2 wrongs that don't add up to a "right".

That's not to say I don't understand the urge. I know what it's like to hate. I know what it's like to have spite in my heart. I just don't let it take over my logically thinking rational mind.

The system is rigged, so why bother? Is that your point? Then why bother having the death penalty? Just a rigged system, right?

I would NEVER in a million years say you aren’t allowed to express your opinion. You are obviously intelligent & have a differing opinion. Isn’t that exactly what our Flag stands for?

 

[Itsmeandyou]

That would also depend on the circumstances, there could well be further charges against a sex offender, other crimes could come to light. Google Ian Brady if you like. He died from natural causes in the end, but a certain amount of satisfaction can be gained from knowing how much he hated being in prison for all those years.
The death penalty just drags decent people down to the level of the person committing an unforgivable crime.

This is why there are amendments & repeals to existing laws. No law under ANY circumstances is perfect, that is a given. And there are exceptions.

In the case of the NUT in Vegas wouldn’t have had to worry about the Death Penalty.

Judge, Jury & Execution dolled out immediately.

Naturally, my opinion.

 

[twoton]

My argument in favor of capital punishment is that I don't think it's fair that the victim's family should have to pay taxes to feed, clothe, house, and provide medical care to the person who killed their loved one. Even if it's just a fraction of a cent. On principle, it's not right.

On the other hand . . . . my religion tells me it's almost always wrong to put someone to death.

 

[Max_Polo]

my religion

Which?