pronatalist
Sexy Member
Re: Not even "huge" world population, can slow the natural increase of many people.
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The association is much stronger than we have been led to believe. Back when sex =ed babies, promiscuity wasn't so common, nor to be taken lightly. Society has a proper expectation to know who the daddies are of all these children, and hold them to doing their part to provide for them and love them. People in developing countries are quite right to suspect that a sudden flood of contraceptives may in many profound ways, damage their culture and promote a bewildering array of sexual sins.
I also state that not all of nature was meant to be "controlled" by man, and that some aspects of nature, say like the natural increase of humans, should remain "wild." As the number of women of childbearing age, naturally tends to go on increasing throughout many regions of the world, there is no corresponding obligation of the people, to somehow "compensate" and reduce their naturally high birthrates, because for one thing, most of the compelling reasons why people have as many children as they do, really have little to do with overall population size anyway. They have various "problems" with birth control, they want children, more and more people would be glad to live, an already occupied womb is about the most natural means of "child spacing," etc. The wrong assumption that clouds "modern" falling-away-from-faith thinking, is this stupid notion that human population supposedly must be "stabilized." Whatever for? When has world population size ever been "stable?" It's inherently "unstable," as all through history, human populations have been spreading and expanding, and that's how we got so many billions of people, built great nations, build civilization. Much of the modern conveniences we so take for granted, would be impossible still, without massive human populations to make the research pay off and keep the economy flowing. For humans "population stabilization" is really "stagnation," and contrary to God's purpose for people.
So yeah, pretty much, the more people the better. As some poster said some years ago,
"World population is barely large enough for you and I to have been born."
Even in my forum polls I have run, I find a majority of people voting for that world population should be at least as large as it is. Perhaps they logically don't want to consider how "population reductions" might be achieved without trampling basic human rights? Just another way that human populations naturally rachet ever upwards, becoming entrenched and preparing and doing, to grow some more. Even in our social conscious, we favor continued growth in many ways. Has anybody really given much thought as to why most all babies easily to most people, are so cute and adorable? Because on both the conscious and subconscious levels, humans really do want to enlarge their numbers, and babies are an obvious symbol of that. Author Charles Provan claims that it is God who put the natural desire in our hearts to multiply and increase our numbers.
Also, if so many people, really don't much like to use an effective means of "birth control," then hadn't we be considering that world population growth may be sort of "unstoppable?" I agree with population phobics on some minor points, like that we can't keep on adding more and more people to the world, and keep doing things the same old ways. But then we can keep on adding more and more people to the world, and make a few necessary adjustments then. Sure, I don't believe in "earth control." I don't believe humans should try to control "everything." Some stupid old book, "50 Ways to Save the Earth," I think it was, spoke of "Earth Control," in having not more than 2 children, to just "replace" the parents, to keep the already huge world population from growing further. Well I don't believe that the human race should be expected to forever remain at a "reasonable" size in comparison with the earth. I see the analogy of a "pregnancy" as particularly useful. Let the planet grow "pregnant" with people, and "bulge" naturally and proudly. Just like a baby must "outgrow" the womb to escape, humans may have to "outgrow" the earth, to expand to other worlds, if ever, or it's all the more people to populate heaven. As a pregnancy progresses, there's more cells squeezing in, most everywhere, but by an intelligent and very constructive design.
If people in populous developing countries like having babies so much, don't throw condoms in their faces, but tell them that they need to start putting flush toilets within their homes for proper sanitation, because the empty fields where they could go to defecate, are being filled in with human housing as far as the eye can see. They also need access to gas and electric cooking stoves and microwave ovens, to eliminate the millions of cooking fires from their growing cities that are causing them respiratory problems. As human populations naturally grow denser and cities expand in size, we are prohibited from burning our leaves in the city, in return for the city picking them up, because all that smoke becomes unpleasant. See? We are already used to and adapting to rising human population densities throughout the planet. Cars even burn cleaner now.
And I am no moralist party pooper. I welcome there to be more sex going on throughout the world, even more people marrying younger and thus having all the more babies. But there are practical anti-disease and moral reasons to avoid "dirty sex" and promote marriage commitment and monogamy. They say that families are the building blocks of a strong society. Proper functional families make for a functional society that can far more easily deal with the prospect of perhaps populating denser and vaster. Sure, there should be some population control, but only of the rather lax sort I see in the Bible. People should make the proper family nests, not just breed willy-nilly giving no thought to morals or to the future. Illegimate children are just as valuable, but better behavior would insure that more children are legimately conceived, and better welcomed to join the naturally-growing human race.
Did I not explain it clear enough? People pairing up and marrying and having children, gives them something to do, to keep out of trouble. People tend to become more conservative when they are raising children, as they don't want for their children to repeat their mistakes.
But denied of their children, what better reason can there be, to go to war, to fight back against such barbarians that would aim to steal away their precious darling children?
Often people for simplicity's sake, may assume that average human enjoyment may stay about the same, with double the population, but then, twice as many people can then enjoy it.
Value of human race = average precious value of each person * number of people.
Simply enlarging the numbers of people alive then, helps immensely, because all the more people can then benefit.
Don't think so? Think that 12 billion people could only bring unspeakable horrors too colorful silly to imagine? Well it's already happened. When I was born in the 1960s, there were 3 billion people in the world. Now some say there's 7 billion. Double! But in many ways, the world has gotten better and more interesting, largely due to population-driven technology innovations. What do you think is driving all this fancy computer technology, video games, internet, fiber optics wiring the world? Population growth. All such complicated technology would never have been feasible to develop, for tiny little sparsely populated villages. it takes immense human populations, to make such inventions even cost-effective to produce. I expect the future would be much the same. People would find it hard to imagine, what a past world of a paltry 6 billion people would be like, as they were never born into such a sparsely-populated world.
Part 3 of 4?:
Birth control being associated with prostitution may be a valid observation in some limited circumstances but your underlying scorn flies in the face of what your saying that the more people the better, or does that belief hold true only so long as they're the product of sex other than the 'dirty kind'?
The association is much stronger than we have been led to believe. Back when sex =ed babies, promiscuity wasn't so common, nor to be taken lightly. Society has a proper expectation to know who the daddies are of all these children, and hold them to doing their part to provide for them and love them. People in developing countries are quite right to suspect that a sudden flood of contraceptives may in many profound ways, damage their culture and promote a bewildering array of sexual sins.
I also state that not all of nature was meant to be "controlled" by man, and that some aspects of nature, say like the natural increase of humans, should remain "wild." As the number of women of childbearing age, naturally tends to go on increasing throughout many regions of the world, there is no corresponding obligation of the people, to somehow "compensate" and reduce their naturally high birthrates, because for one thing, most of the compelling reasons why people have as many children as they do, really have little to do with overall population size anyway. They have various "problems" with birth control, they want children, more and more people would be glad to live, an already occupied womb is about the most natural means of "child spacing," etc. The wrong assumption that clouds "modern" falling-away-from-faith thinking, is this stupid notion that human population supposedly must be "stabilized." Whatever for? When has world population size ever been "stable?" It's inherently "unstable," as all through history, human populations have been spreading and expanding, and that's how we got so many billions of people, built great nations, build civilization. Much of the modern conveniences we so take for granted, would be impossible still, without massive human populations to make the research pay off and keep the economy flowing. For humans "population stabilization" is really "stagnation," and contrary to God's purpose for people.
So yeah, pretty much, the more people the better. As some poster said some years ago,
"World population is barely large enough for you and I to have been born."
Even in my forum polls I have run, I find a majority of people voting for that world population should be at least as large as it is. Perhaps they logically don't want to consider how "population reductions" might be achieved without trampling basic human rights? Just another way that human populations naturally rachet ever upwards, becoming entrenched and preparing and doing, to grow some more. Even in our social conscious, we favor continued growth in many ways. Has anybody really given much thought as to why most all babies easily to most people, are so cute and adorable? Because on both the conscious and subconscious levels, humans really do want to enlarge their numbers, and babies are an obvious symbol of that. Author Charles Provan claims that it is God who put the natural desire in our hearts to multiply and increase our numbers.
Also, if so many people, really don't much like to use an effective means of "birth control," then hadn't we be considering that world population growth may be sort of "unstoppable?" I agree with population phobics on some minor points, like that we can't keep on adding more and more people to the world, and keep doing things the same old ways. But then we can keep on adding more and more people to the world, and make a few necessary adjustments then. Sure, I don't believe in "earth control." I don't believe humans should try to control "everything." Some stupid old book, "50 Ways to Save the Earth," I think it was, spoke of "Earth Control," in having not more than 2 children, to just "replace" the parents, to keep the already huge world population from growing further. Well I don't believe that the human race should be expected to forever remain at a "reasonable" size in comparison with the earth. I see the analogy of a "pregnancy" as particularly useful. Let the planet grow "pregnant" with people, and "bulge" naturally and proudly. Just like a baby must "outgrow" the womb to escape, humans may have to "outgrow" the earth, to expand to other worlds, if ever, or it's all the more people to populate heaven. As a pregnancy progresses, there's more cells squeezing in, most everywhere, but by an intelligent and very constructive design.
If people in populous developing countries like having babies so much, don't throw condoms in their faces, but tell them that they need to start putting flush toilets within their homes for proper sanitation, because the empty fields where they could go to defecate, are being filled in with human housing as far as the eye can see. They also need access to gas and electric cooking stoves and microwave ovens, to eliminate the millions of cooking fires from their growing cities that are causing them respiratory problems. As human populations naturally grow denser and cities expand in size, we are prohibited from burning our leaves in the city, in return for the city picking them up, because all that smoke becomes unpleasant. See? We are already used to and adapting to rising human population densities throughout the planet. Cars even burn cleaner now.
And I am no moralist party pooper. I welcome there to be more sex going on throughout the world, even more people marrying younger and thus having all the more babies. But there are practical anti-disease and moral reasons to avoid "dirty sex" and promote marriage commitment and monogamy. They say that families are the building blocks of a strong society. Proper functional families make for a functional society that can far more easily deal with the prospect of perhaps populating denser and vaster. Sure, there should be some population control, but only of the rather lax sort I see in the Bible. People should make the proper family nests, not just breed willy-nilly giving no thought to morals or to the future. Illegimate children are just as valuable, but better behavior would insure that more children are legimately conceived, and better welcomed to join the naturally-growing human race.
Pronatalist said:What are the benefits to the world from double the present population? That's easy. People tend to be happier and not so apt to take up arms and go to war, when welcomed to go on having their babies, and with double the population, double the number of people can then enjoy life.
If you truly believe that, you need to up your medication.
Did I not explain it clear enough? People pairing up and marrying and having children, gives them something to do, to keep out of trouble. People tend to become more conservative when they are raising children, as they don't want for their children to repeat their mistakes.
But denied of their children, what better reason can there be, to go to war, to fight back against such barbarians that would aim to steal away their precious darling children?
Often people for simplicity's sake, may assume that average human enjoyment may stay about the same, with double the population, but then, twice as many people can then enjoy it.
Value of human race = average precious value of each person * number of people.
Simply enlarging the numbers of people alive then, helps immensely, because all the more people can then benefit.
Don't think so? Think that 12 billion people could only bring unspeakable horrors too colorful silly to imagine? Well it's already happened. When I was born in the 1960s, there were 3 billion people in the world. Now some say there's 7 billion. Double! But in many ways, the world has gotten better and more interesting, largely due to population-driven technology innovations. What do you think is driving all this fancy computer technology, video games, internet, fiber optics wiring the world? Population growth. All such complicated technology would never have been feasible to develop, for tiny little sparsely populated villages. it takes immense human populations, to make such inventions even cost-effective to produce. I expect the future would be much the same. People would find it hard to imagine, what a past world of a paltry 6 billion people would be like, as they were never born into such a sparsely-populated world.