Pregnant Woman Confined Against Her Will

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Ellie, hearing that makes me so glad I don't live in Florida! I'm in New Hampshire, where the motto is "Live Free Or Die". New Hampshire is a laid back mix of people on both sides of the political fence, but you'd find that most people believe in a woman's right to choose.
 

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I live in Miami, surrounded by Hatians, mostly, and some Latinos, mostly from the Caribbean. I suspect this is a mostly blue area, but I also suspect women's reproductive rights are a no-go topic here because a lot of my neighbors are Catholic.

As I explore south Florida, I see a lot of pregnant women smoking tobacco and marijuana. It is culturally acceptable behavior here, especially the further one goes from a major city. While smoking isn't the best thing for a developing fetus, and therefore should be cut out of the life of a woman who expects a healthy baby, I wouldn't say a refusal to quit indicates a psychological problem, but instead a social one. What's next? Are we going to declare all women who don't breast-feed crazy? What about women who don't buy vegetables for their children? Should we hospitalize them too? What about women (and men, for that matter) who smoke in the presence of children in a house? The fact of the matter is that until a fetus becomes a baby, it is subject to whatever decisions a woman makes about using her body. As long as it isn't illegal to smoke during pregnancy, the state should not have the right to criminalize a woman who does so, no matter how stupid and backwards it is.
 
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The fact of the matter is that until a fetus becomes a baby, it is subject to whatever decisions a woman makes about using her body.

This is definitely a woman's issue, so I am staying clear of expressing an opinion on this topic.

I am just wondering if the decisions made regarding this woman had anything to do with the age of viability. The article mentions that the woman was in her 25th week of preganacy. 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal) ).

I live in NH, too. Born and raised here. Used to be a very red state; now a bit bluer thanks to overflow from MA.

Ducking out of here ... :scared1:

Thanks.
 

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grrrrr these stories infuriate me.
Another case of everyone being too scared to go against the ''book'' incase it looks bad on them and too scared to use common sense incase they get it wrong and cant cover there asses.
 

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The patient wasn't criminalized at all. She was put under the wardship of the medical profession - we don't know the full details, or the extent of the risk. Once again, it was a female doctor that arranged this.

I'm assuming that we're all OK with sex selective & other types of designer abortions too.

I would also note that in the USA, the father has to pay costs up to the point of delivery as well. Can they claim these back. What is the status when surrogates are used too?

I also note that we are deluged with medical advice, & further more legal restrictions, on so called poor living options, such as smoking, drinking, legal highs, & fast fatty foods, & high risk sex with multiple partners.

It's not just women - we're all being controlled. The arguement "it's my body & I can do what I want with it" should be universal, & without condemnation.
 

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The patient wasn't criminalized at all. She was put under the wardship of the medical profession - we don't know the full details, or the extent of the risk. Once again, it was a female doctor that arranged this.

I'm assuming that we're all OK with sex selective & other types of designer abortions too.

I would also note that in the USA, the father has to pay costs up to the point of delivery as well. Can they claim these back. What is the status when surrogates are used too?

I also note that we are deluged with medical advice, & further more legal restrictions, on so called poor living options, such as smoking, drinking, legal highs, & fast fatty foods, & high risk sex with multiple partners.

It's not just women - we're all being controlled. The arguement "it's my body & I can do what I want with it" should be universal, & without condemnation.

Actually I'm not ok with induced abortion unless the baby is deceased already, but that's my choice and I can't make that choice for someone else.

Regardless, the woman should have gotten to make the choice. If she didn't want to be hospitalized she should have gotten to make that decision for herself.
 

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This is definitely a woman's issue, so I am staying clear of expressing an opinion on this topic.

I am just wondering if the decisions made regarding this woman had anything to do with the age of viability. The article mentions that the woman was in her 25th week of preganacy. 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal) ).

I live in NH, too. Born and raised here. Used to be a very red state; now a bit bluer thanks to overflow from MA.

Ducking out of here ... :scared1:

Thanks.

Off topic, what region are you from? It's always nice to meet someone from NH online. :) Sorry, I'm one of those Massholes that moved into the state.
 
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Off topic, what region are you from? It's always nice to meet someone from NH online. :) Sorry, I'm one of those Massholes that moved into the state.

I live in the Greater Manchester area. Grew up in Manch-Vegas. Wife's from here as well.

How about you?

Thanks.
 

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Where did you find any evidence that her attorney was incompetent, or that she was ever yelling at anyone? It's a huge extrapolation. If a court is under the power of a judge looking to expand the reach of certain laws, there is nothing even a great attorney can do other than appeal to a higher court when the judge acts on his or her bias. You yell at people when you are depressed. Fine. I don't. I withdraw. I turn my unhappiness on myself. Maybe she yells at people, and maybe she's a saint. We don't know.

On an unrelated note, I found the following as a comment on the situation. It's on the first page Helga links to, which you can get to by following the links from the OP's originally linked article:


You are correct, AE, it's a huge extrapolation based only on my own experience with postpartum depression, not even miscarriage, and completely unrelated experiences with the criminal court system in my state, not Florida. And I will not claim anything different, either. As soon as I said 'I'll bet--" that is the sort of thing you were going to get.

And I am gratified you read deeper in the linked material. I don't think it's unrelated at all.

My story is getting proofread by a third party and then I'll link it here. And once again, it's going to be a piece of fiction, set in the near future, only loosely based on fact. YMMV in advance.
 

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Wow, world just got smaller! I used to live in Melrose. I've been through Malden more times than I could count. How did you end up there, if you don't mind my asking?
My husband worked in Boston. I have been lost in Melrose a few times, but not nearly as many times as I was lost in Saugus and Revere. I lived on the border of Revere, and Melrose was pretty close. I miss it sometimes, but not during winter!
 
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My husband worked in Boston. I have been lost in Melrose a few times, but not nearly as many times as I was lost in Saugus and Revere. I lived on the border of Revere, and Melrose was pretty close. I miss it sometimes, but not during winter!

Been to Saugus and Revere more times than I can count as well. I wasn't raised there but I lived in Lynn for a few years. Definitely not a place I would ever move back to but I have a lot of history in the Lynn/Saugus/Revere area. Did you ever go to Revere Beach in the summer?
 

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Been to Saugus and Revere more times than I can count as well. I wasn't raised there but I lived in Lynn for a few years. Definitely not a place I would ever move back to but I have a lot of history in the Lynn/Saugus/Revere area. Did you ever go to Revere Beach in the summer?
I went a couple of times. I wasn't a fan.
 
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I was just in Nashua last week to buy some car parts and stop in at Trader Joes in Tyngsboro.

There's also a nice Vietnamese food place on some main street in Nashua (I know how to get there, I just don't know the name of the street) that we go to once in a while.