Pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges in USA

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people dont usually become addicts because they're stable people who make smart choices. and drugs impare judgement.

one of the first things google puked onto my feet,
The Link between Women, Drug Addiction and Co-Occurring Disorders | Informative Treatment Articles
I just dont understand how people can afford drugs so easily, but cant afford other forms of help. Why turn to a temporary release from pain when you can work towards living a full healthy life? If you cant tell, I hate drug abusers... I find it disgusting. I give props to people that are able to break addiction, but I would rather not see people addicted in the first place.
are all women fully in control of their sex lives? i've had unprotected sex without consenting to it.
If such a situation arises the man is guilty and should be held accountable. I dont know current policy, but if something like that happens then the guy should face even harsher penalties and there should be something done to assist the woman. It is sad that such a thing happens (and I am truly sorry for what happened to you), but I didnt think we were talking about this kind of situation.
 

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Hey Load, you are starting with irresponsible people and you asking them to immediately become responsible because they had sex. Irresponsible people don't become responsible. I know a waitress, who at 18 got pregnant, kept smoking and drinking, her child was born with heart a heart defect. The state took her child gave it a home, and surgery solved the problem. They also gave the waitress birth control. What did she do? Got pregnant and the state has taken the second child. And the fathers? The first is homeless; the second in prison for 10 years. You will never legislate responsibility, all you will do is build more jails. Fortunately these children were adopted by responsible people. So many are not. Fortunately we have civil liberties. If you think you can regiment society by removing civil liberties because you think some one is a drag on society, you will have a hard time defining where to stop.
 

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i found this bit of the link most telling.

At least 38 of the 50 states across America have introduced foetal homicide laws that were intended to protect pregnant women and their unborn children from violent attacks by third parties – usually abusive male partners – but are increasingly being turned by renegade prosecutors against the women themselves.
South Carolina was one of the first states to introduce such a foetal homicide law. National Advocates for Pregnant Women has found only one case of a South Carolina man who assaulted a pregnant woman having been charged under its terms, and his conviction was eventually overturned. Yet the group estimates there have been up to 300 women arrested for their actions during pregnancy.

violent men killing unborns is ok.
apparently you're only accountable if you're a woman.
 

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They can' t afford other things precisely because they are addicted to drugs. You obviously have not been addicted or understand addiction. Addiction means someone continues an irrational course because they no longer are rational. The addiction becomes their only rationality. If addicts acted rationally, they would not be addicts.
 

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Hey Load, you are starting with irresponsible people and you asking them to immediately become responsible because they had sex. Irresponsible people don't become responsible. I know a waitress, who at 18 got pregnant, kept smoking and drinking, her child was born with heart a heart defect. The state took her child gave it a home, and surgery solved the problem. They also gave the waitress birth control. What did she do? Got pregnant and the state has taken the second child. And the fathers? The first is homeless; the second in prison for 10 years. You will never legislate responsibility, all you will do is build more jails. Fortunately these children were adopted by responsible people. So many are not. Fortunately we have civil liberties. If you think you can regiment society by removing civil liberties because you think some one is a drag on society, you will have a hard time defining where to stop.
If you are not civil, why should you have civil liberties? I have no issues with removing rights of people if they are proven to not be capable of managing those rights. It should be noted that I am not agreeing with the article.

My basic stance is this: If you do something that seriously hurts somebody else, against their will, you should receive punishment.

There is obviously lots of grey area, but that is just the most basic way I can state my opinion. Like many things in life, every situation is different and should be handled differently.
i found this bit of the link most telling.



violent men killing unborns is ok.
apparently you're only accountable if you're a woman.
I am infinitely amazed at how many guys get away with abuse. It is disgusting. And yes, our legal system is screwed up beyond belief.
 

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They can' t afford other things precisely because they are addicted to drugs. You obviously have not been addicted or understand addiction. Addiction means someone continues an irrational course because they no longer are rational. The addiction becomes their only rationality. If addicts acted rationally, they would not be addicts.
What I am saying is why, BEFORE they start using drugs and while they are rational, do they not get help from other methods? Why turn to drugs, a temporary relief (and I hope that our systems have taught them enough to realize it is temporary), instead of getting REAL help?
 

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Why turn to drugs, a temporary relief (and I hope that our systems have taught them enough to realize it is temporary), instead of getting REAL help?

It's always quite easy to talk when you are part of the population with the least problems. Not everybody is that lucky you know...
 

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It's always quite easy to talk when you are part of the population with the least problems. Not everybody is that lucky you know...
In my short life I have lived through a lot of different scenarios so far, dont try to judge me based upon where I am now.

I am not a woman, I am not somebody else, I dont know their experiences, but I do know my own.

I do not know addiction because I have AVOIDED addiction.
 

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What I am saying is why, BEFORE they start using drugs and while they are rational, do they not get help from other methods? Why turn to drugs, a temporary relief (and I hope that our systems have taught them enough to realize it is temporary), instead of getting REAL help?
you must have lived a blessed life, doll.

i didn't turn to drugs, but,
you know how much the 'real' help helps?
honestly?
you think a happy pill and a chat with a therapist makes it go away in less than a few years?
with 'real' help it often doesn't ever fully go away.
temporary but total escape sounds pretty damn appealing.
 

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I do not know addiction because I have AVOIDED addiction.
that's nice. i always tell myself that i've avoided addiction because i'm lucky enough not to have an addictive personality, and i don't like the way it feels even just being drunk.
 

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If you want to do drugs, get an abortion. Why risk the livelihood of your unborn baby for your own wants?

I never said I was against abortion, just that if you do something dumb that is going to be bad for what WILL be a human that will be living is wrong.

EDIT: I mean seriously, do you want to give your baby withdrawal upon leaving you? Do you want your baby to be mentally or physically handicapped when they would have been otherwise normal? Do you want to make their lives more difficult? Do you actually think you would be qualified to raise a baby if you are on crack? I know that as a guy, if I was doing crack or other drugs I would not be. That is not a good parent.

It's called fucking empathy, asshole. I didn't so much as drink coffee when I was with child - that doesn't mean I can't understand how someone with an addiction might feel. You seem, from your last posts, to live in this cozy, perfect world where everyone considers carefully every single one of their actions and is able to overcome every little challenge life throws at them. Fucking bully for you. I happen to live in the real world.
 

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How old are you, Load. How much of the world have you seen? You just can't go around locking people up for everything you think is irresponsible. There are some uptight folks who then might lock you up for being irresponsible for participating in a Big Dick pornographic web site. That's called a dictatorship. We operate under the premise that people who consciously proceed to hurt another are liable. Those who are unable to determine what their actions can cause or who injure but not by intention are held to a different standard. For you it's so easy, one standard for all who offend against your code. Off with their heads. Now that you have ended irresponsibility , let move on to ending moral laxity. Again you can set that definition for all of us.
 

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Have you ever heard the expression 'There, but for the grace of God, go I'. you have avoided addiction. So did the addicts until that first hit of meth and the brain then craved that rush of dopamine over any other experience, or the high from coke. Phrase like you only one market crash from poverty, or you only one illness away from homelessness. You are only one transient episode form addiction. You are only one bottle away from peer pressure induced alcoholism. You can't know what you body will crave until you take it.
 

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that's nice. i always tell myself that i've avoided addiction because i'm lucky enough not to have an addictive personality, and i don't like the way it feels even just being drunk.
I am happy that you avoided addiction. I imagine you live a happier life now than if you had turned to drugs. Sure, there may be rough spots, but you are happier, yes? I would take lessened pain over 2 hours of no pain and 22 hours of even worse pain.
It's called fucking empathy, asshole. I didn't so much as drink coffee when I was with child - that doesn't mean I can't understand how someone with an addiction might feel. You seem, from your last posts, to live in this cozy, perfect world where everyone considers carefully every single one of their actions and is able to overcome every little challenge life throws at them. Fucking bully for you. I happen to live in the real world.
So can you explain how my reasoning is flawed? Where is the empathy in giving birth to a child with severe heart problems, mental disabilities, or other things that might result in a full life of issues that are potentially as hard or worse than yours? Hell, imagine that the child you give birth to dies at the age of 12, hardly being able to live because of your own problems? Do you think that is OK? Dont get pregnant or have an abortion. Plain and simple.

I live in the real world, I understand that shit happens, but I also understand that there are OPTIONS.

How old are you, Load. How much of the world have you seen? You just can't go around locking people up for everything you think is irresponsible. There are some uptight folks who then might lock you up for being irresponsible for participating in a Big Dick pornographic web site. That's called a dictatorship. We operate under the premise that people who consciously proceed to hurt another are liable. Those who are unable to determine what their actions can cause or who injure but not by intention are held to a different standard. For you it's so easy, one standard for all who offend against your code. Off with their heads. Now that you have ended irresponsibility , let move on to ending moral laxity. Again you can set that definition for all of us.
You can look to the left, I am 25. I have been extremely poor and lived a somewhat wealthier lifestyle. I have had a lot of problems in my life medically, financially, emotionally and otherwise, I have even been held at gunpoint. I have my own way to cope with things that arise.

And I am sorry that when it comes to the potential life of a person I become concerned. If there are others that feel equally concerned about posting on a website about big dicks, then... well thats their prerogative. This is all a matter of opinion after all.
 

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I am happy that you avoided addiction. I imagine you live a happier life now than if you had turned to drugs. Sure, there may be rough spots, but you are happier, yes? I would take lessened pain over 2 hours of no pain and 22 hours of even worse pain.
my way of coping was to slash the soles of my feet with razors.
it helped lots. a few days of pain helped a lot.

sometimes life events create emotions which are too big to be contained within. some people go shooting everyone in their school. some people get into fights. some people take it out on others. some people kill themselves. some people slash the soles of their feet. some people reach for a pill.