Pregnantness

Incocknito

Sexy Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Posts
2,480
Media
0
Likes
67
Points
133
Location
La monde
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
We don't have Maury in the UK. But we do have Jeremy Kyle, check it out on youtube.

The same Jeremy Kyle who asked a 16 year old he had in his car to "massage his balls" and gets all preachy to his guests, acting like he's a model person :)

Not sure about Maury's character but something about him seems...strange.
 

ColoradoGuy

Legendary Member
Verified
Gold
Joined
Dec 21, 2009
Posts
1,170
Media
35
Likes
1,467
Points
308
Location
Denver (Colorado, United States)
Verification
View
Gender
Male
We don't have Maury in the UK. But we do have Jeremy Kyle, check it out on youtube.

The same Jeremy Kyle who asked a 16 year old he had in his car to "massage his balls" and gets all preachy to his guests, acting like he's a model person :)

Not sure about Maury's character but something about him seems...strange.

I don't know about strange, but the idea that his show passes as credible entertainment is criminal.
 

Incocknito

Sexy Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Posts
2,480
Media
0
Likes
67
Points
133
Location
La monde
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
Okay so now she's saying she definitely had her last period in April, on 1st April (lol). Does this help anyone with the dates?

And I know no one possesses her blood work. I was just wondering if anyone could work anything out from the dates and information given.

Sounds like a DNA test will be on order either way, with all the misinformation around.
 

flyboy

Loved Member
Verified
Gold
Joined
Feb 15, 2010
Posts
72
Media
16
Likes
603
Points
328
Location
The Woodlands (Texas, United States)
Verification
View
Sexuality
60% Straight, 40% Gay
Gender
Male
I have a few questions (for my friend, obviously):

1. How soon can you tell if a girl is pregnant



2. How soon and how exactly (as in accurately) can you tell when the baby was conceived?

1. When her dad comes knocking on your door carrying his shotgun!!
2. Just remember back to the night you were so drunk you forgot to put the condom on your pecker! It's ok baby I'll pull out!! Count forward from there.
 

B_Bjen2848

Experimental Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2007
Posts
942
Media
0
Likes
10
Points
103
Location
Mars, vacate in the bermuda triangle
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
We don't have Maury in the UK. But we do have Jeremy Kyle, check it out on youtube.

The same Jeremy Kyle who asked a 16 year old he had in his car to "massage his balls" and gets all preachy to his guests, acting like he's a model person :)

Not sure about Maury's character but something about him seems...strange.

lol..a uk version of maury?! i have GOT to check this out haha, all i want to hear is "you are ..... NOT the father!!" in a british accent :biggrin1:
 

ManlyBanisters

Sexy Member
Joined
Mar 19, 2007
Posts
12,253
Media
0
Likes
58
Points
183
A few bits of info for anyone reading the thread.

1. A woman can get pregnant on ANY DAY of her cycle.
Certain days are far more likely - but there is no such thing as a safe day. Ever. During menstruation as well.

2. There is no fool proof method of calculating date of conception.
The sooner bloods are done the better but the 'results' really only tell you what the likelihoods are - there will be no smoking gun. Measuring (with ultrasound) is another good way of telling how old the foetus is, but again that only gives likelihood for date of conception. Plenty of pregnancies are outside the norm and those tests will give incorrect 'results'. E.g. a friend was pregnant a few years ago - the ultrasound measurements gave her baby's conception date as June 15th - she hadn't had sex at all, of any kind, between June 2nd and the day of the ultrasound. Clearly the foetus was a little smaller than average. But that didn't stop the hospital changing her due date to suit the results rather than to reflect the facts.

3. A 'period' is not a clear indicator that a woman is definitely not pregnant.
Some women continue to have what seem like fairly normal periods through the first trimester (3 months) and some, though considerably less, into the 2nd trimester and even the third (though that's rare). Also, around the time a woman will be expecting her period, there can often be 'breakthrough bleeding' (google it) - this is usually far less than a period, though for women with light or irregular periods it can be mistaken as a period. That happened to me - I thought I was pregnant, bled a little, and incorrectly assumed I wasn't.

Probably not what the OP wants to hear but there is no certainty anyone can offer - even with test results. The only tests results that will do that guy any good are DNA tests, and he'll have to get the mom's consent for that. I hope she cooperates.
 

Incocknito

Sexy Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Posts
2,480
Media
0
Likes
67
Points
133
Location
La monde
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
YouTube - ‪Jeremy Kyle - White Couple have a Black Baby‬‏

"That girl looks black" words of wisdom from Jeremy.

But on a serious note...it will be a long, anxious wait for my friend. She also said that even if he is the father, she wouldn't let her see him. The "even if" suggests that she doesn't know herself.

She also said she'd lied to him and he wasn't the baby daddy. So no one really knows. I thought there would be some sort of calculation you could do to find out.

Guess the only calculation that will help is a DNA calculation and comparison.
 

fire77

Sexy Member
Verified
Gold
Joined
Feb 21, 2011
Posts
793
Media
5
Likes
42
Points
373
Location
USA
Verification
View
Sexuality
90% Straight, 10% Gay
Gender
Female
You can try Pre-Natal Paternity Testing if you want to know before the child is born, you can try it at the start of the second trimester. I don't think it can be done before.
 

Incocknito

Sexy Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Posts
2,480
Media
0
Likes
67
Points
133
Location
La monde
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
Its so expensive though. And carries a risk of miscarriage. There are apparently non invasive tests but they are even more expensive. They can only be done after 15 weeks from conception.
 

helgaleena

Sexy Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2006
Posts
5,475
Media
7
Likes
43
Points
193
Location
Wisconsin USA
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Female
Its so expensive though. And carries a risk of miscarriage. There are apparently non invasive tests but they are even more expensive. They can only be done after 15 weeks from conception.

Let it GO. Step away from the pregnant lady, now. You or your 'friend' would not be footing the bill.
 

B_crackoff

Experimental Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2010
Posts
1,726
Media
0
Likes
3
Points
73
Okay so now she's saying she definitely had her last period in April, on 1st April (lol). Does this help anyone with the dates?

And I know no one possesses her blood work. I was just wondering if anyone could work anything out from the dates and information given.

Sounds like a DNA test will be on order either way, with all the misinformation around.

Ok, so that makes the "coitus baby possibilitus" dates, Contestant 1 -Sat 2nd April, & Contestant 2 - Fri 8th, & Sat 16th April.

So she literally came off the rag & boned Contestant-1, yet waited till she was far more fertile for Contestant -2, who gave himself a double helping.

If she's telling the truth, & is accurate, I'd lay odds of 3-1 on Contestant 1, & 1-5 on Contestant 2. Contestant 2 should run to the hills :wink:.

That said, she clearly wanted to get knocked up - no contraception at all I'd guess. In my earlier example - I'd explicitly asked the girl if she was on the pill, & then a second question - "which one", my point being - women get a bit funny when they're broody, & honesty can fly out of the window.

8 more months of uncertainty for your friend then.

Tell him that he can lessen future obligations in the following ways:

1/ Using the time exactly after birth as a time to go on a round the world trip - no income - can't be charged.
2/ Emigrating
3/ Putting more money into a pension fund (half gets excluded)
4/ Setting up his own company, rather than work PAYE, & reinvesting income, paying himself a lower wage, & taking the balance in dividends.(lowers the amount you have to pay)
5/ If he wants a mortgage, get it now, or if he wants to move to slightly more expensive accommodation - do it now - (rent & mortgage interest payments come off your gross liabilites)
6/ If he's going to save any money - save it pre birth - assets can't be touched.

Now the hard part - if it is his.

He has no legal right to see his child whatsoever, & neither does his family, but he has a legal obligation to pay.

Should the relationship between him & the mother breakdown - & it seems like she was looking for a donor - he is screwed - the CSA will come - & he will be paying for a child he cannot see. This breakdown will come at a point when she gets involved with a new man, or when she feels he has let her down by not providing more than the legal amount(!), she tires of him coming around, he doesn't come round at the EXACT time that she wants etc, etc.

At this point he may venture into the court system. The mother may be guilt tripped into allowing contact at a contact centre - normally a hostile piss stinking environment. Social workers will be appointed by the court. They will hate your friend from the start - that is the base position - he will have to prove them wrong - impossible.

THe court system costs a lot of money - avoid solicitors or barristers - he should get a McKenzie friend to represent him - available from all good father's groups like F4J etc. It's a hell of a lot cheaper, with the same success rate - but it still might not do any good.

If she wants to break contact - break court orders - the courts will not enforce sanctions against her - but they will against your friend.

That's more good, free, advice than anyone ever gets, you're welcome.

PS - if he wants to see his potential child, I would advise immediately fostering good relations with the mother. That doesn't mean be a pussy, but being assertive - expressing the valid concerns about the paternity, but also offering to occassionally help her. He should be nice to her, & suggest working out a plan now for access & willingness to pay maintenance assessed by the CSA - stating that the well being of the child should come first, & of course that means helping her out too.

They may not be together, but that doesn't mean that they can't work together, because they may have made another life. Also he should state that being late by 5 to 15 minutes because of traffic post birth, shouldn't be an area of conflict.

If they work at this now, tackle the areas of conflict (including her next partners - & he'll have to deal with that - as she will with his) - they might have a good chance of getting through all this well.

I hope the cynical & positive bits are of assistance!:biggrin1:
 

Incocknito

Sexy Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Posts
2,480
Media
0
Likes
67
Points
133
Location
La monde
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
Okay thanks crackoff. Just wondering what Helga means when she says my friend wouldn't be footing the bill? I can't see the government paying for a paternity test, although her parents might.

The thing about fostering good relations with her is a bit difficult since she basically has said she wants to "do this on her own" and given that my friend may not even be the dad what happens if the baby pops out and its not his?

She has been trying to get pregnant for a long time apparently and even told my friend she was infertile. Guess not lol.
 

B_crackoff

Experimental Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2010
Posts
1,726
Media
0
Likes
3
Points
73
Okay thanks crackoff. Just wondering what Helga means when she says my friend wouldn't be footing the bill? I can't see the government paying for a paternity test, although her parents might.

The thing about fostering good relations with her is a bit difficult since she basically has said she wants to "do this on her own" and given that my friend may not even be the dad what happens if the baby pops out and its not his?

I'm afraid that that's all total crap on her part. You've no idea of her real intentions, or her emotional state during the pregnancy, or after.

The CSA will get involved at some point.

Does she work & earn over £50,000 - will she be giving up work?

If she cannot financially provide for herself, the CSA will definitely be involved. Can you honestly know that she will be working non stop for the next 19 years?

If at any time she goes on benefits, INCLUDING child tax credits (which you don't get over £50K), the CSA will become involved.

If this is 10 years down the line - they will BACKDATE payments 10YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your friend should sort out paternity immediately it is possible, because he could be liable in 18 years, & lose everything, including 18 years of his kid's life. He should put away 15% of his net income until this is sorted post birth.

Whilst the mum may want to do this on her own, she has to come up with the potential father's names. The CSA will believe her, & demand 15% of his income. He then requests a DNA test - which you have to pay for (£200+). This is refunded if he is not the father. By the way, he can pay for a home DNA test, through which he only needs his own, & the baby's saliva swabs. This test can 100% exclude him.

Your friend should explain to her that a child is not a toy, & that she took him into her life when she banged him with the express intention of getting preggers. If she's going to be a good mother, she'll want what's right for her child, & that means knowing & having a relationship with her father - although a little less hostile than that.

Fathers should legally be able to pay nothing if they are excluded from a child's life, but that isn't the case.

I would also recommend find out who the mother's mother is. Establishing a relationship of sorts might allow him to get access to do the swab later.

BTW, if she's over 35, she'll have an amniocentisis anyway, but look up what this search looks for, & tell her that your family has a medical history of the abnormalities that they look for.

She'll have the test then, whatever her age, & you can sort out paternity dna there & then.

Sneaky -but not half as sneaky as her. Remember it is just a foetus at this point - & the danger is just 1/1600. She's willing to put him through hell, it's the least that she can do.

She has been trying to get pregnant for a long time apparently and even told my friend she was infertile. Guess not lol.

Yar, the old ones are the best!:smile: Men use this line too:rolleyes:

She's a SPERM BANDIT mate. A total C*NT. Why didn't she try at a sperm bank - because she wants the back up of extra dosh too.

Urban Dictionary: sperm bandit

Here's a cross section of fathers' experiences with the CSA.

http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a261.asphttp://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a261.asphttp://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a261.asp
CSA deduction from earnings leaves me broke
Denied access to my children by ex-wife - absent father but not through choice
CSA, fathers rights and paternity issues
Some judges are incompetent- court decisions, lawyers and judges bias

Tell him to bag up next time, or come on their faces to reduce the risk.:rolleyes:
 

helgaleena

Sexy Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2006
Posts
5,475
Media
7
Likes
43
Points
193
Location
Wisconsin USA
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Female
The thing about fostering good relations with her is a bit difficult since she basically has said she wants to "do this on her own" and given that my friend may not even be the dad what happens if the baby pops out and its not his?

Simple. Your 'friend' would not be footing the bill. Unless for some reason he wants to :rolleyes:
 

Incocknito

Sexy Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Posts
2,480
Media
0
Likes
67
Points
133
Location
La monde
Sexuality
100% Straight, 0% Gay
Gender
Male
I still don't understand, Helga.

Thanks though crackoff, a lot of good information there. I asked to speak to her tonight and she said 'maybe'. I text her when I wanted to ring her and got no reply. Today has been a rough day and I guess I just wanted to ask her flat out if it was my kid or not because I'm going through enough at the moment anyway.

So I eventually found out she was on a girl's night out tonight

The 'friend' thing was all a thinly veiled disguise :p
 

helgaleena

Sexy Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2006
Posts
5,475
Media
7
Likes
43
Points
193
Location
Wisconsin USA
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Female
I still don't understand, Helga.

Thanks though crackoff, a lot of good information there. I asked to speak to her tonight and she said 'maybe'. I text her when I wanted to ring her and got no reply. Today has been a rough day and I guess I just wanted to ask her flat out if it was my kid or not because I'm going through enough at the moment anyway.

So I eventually found out she was on a girl's night out tonight

The 'friend' thing was all a thinly veiled disguise :p

I suspected that. But if it turns out not to be yours, you have no fiscal responsibility whatever. That appears pretty clear. Unless you are really, really wanting fatherhood and are willing to raise somebody else's and can tolerate its mother as well. Then you are welcome to pay for everything.

If you do not like this woman enough to accept whatever the child turns out to be, or she decides to abort without knowing who the dad is, that's all a different issue, between you and her.