Present and Future Mothers: Circumcise your sons or not? WITH POLL

Circumcize or not?


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Bette said:
Is that what it was about for him? Truly? Did he say that?
for him and many men, it was a largely unexamined belief. it was just what he expected to happen, and since he's very happy with his own cock, thought it would naturally happen to our son. and yes, creating a child in their own image is a major theme for a lot of guys.

despite how strong some people feel about the subject (and I include myself), some people really just don't give it any thought until they are prompted. because I felt more strongly, I was able to persuade Mr.Sares with little difficulty.
 

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Bette said:
That's something I don't understand. Why is it important to a FATHER'S identity for his son to be just like him?
What's so hard to understand, Bette? If a man had his leg amputated after an auto accident, shouldn't his infant son also get an amputation, so he'll "look like daddy?" Or the child of an inter-racial couple... what's wrong with some plastic surgery to change the shape of the nose, or some bleach or dye to make the skin look the same? Of course the child's cock should look just like daddy's. Maybe even some silicone injections so the size will be the same.
 

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I don't agree with piercing babies ears even, let alone cutting part of their penis off. Unless you have a really serious condition requiring you be circ'd I think we're born in the way we were meant to be. I find it curious when parents want their son to look like the (circ) father, when he will, just how he did before he got the end of his penis cut off...

I could never put my baby through that kind of trauma for no reason. If I'd been born a boy and been circ'd, I'd be very unhappy with my parents.
 

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Bette said:
That's something I don't understand. Why is it important to a FATHER'S identity for his son to be just like him?

Here's some cartoon responses to this oft asked question:

http://www.stopinfantcircumcision.org/toon.htm

Fathers are often strangely competitive with their sons. Sometimes it comes down to I don't want that little upstart to have anything I don't (or can't) have.

Also, sometimes it is a way of validating what happened to the adult. Many men have a difficult time internalizing that otherwise circumspect and loving parents would subject them to a harmful and unnecessary genital surgery. The parents may have had the child's best interests in mind, but the medical industry did NOT.

Fortunately this is changing in the U.S. As circumcision is now in the single digits in all other English speaking societies, can we be far behind?
 

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Bette said:
That's something I don't understand. Why is it important to a FATHER'S identity for his son to be just like him?

If I had to venture an educated guess on this, based on my own personal experience as a man and a son so far in life (yet to be a father to a boy so only speculation), but it would seem that men probably on some level "sniff" the kids to make sure they are "his" figuratively that is... as women are not interested in wasting time with men they don't want to be with for obviouse reasons of there is a window of time when they are able to "get a man, beget children, and get them raised" and waisting time just gets in the way and leads no where... men probably deep down as well, feel that if these are their offspring with will "look/be" like them as well... call it verification of resource expenditure. Since why would a man, who was seeking to pass on his genes (in the way of biological imparatives) seek to subvert his own reproduction for that of another man's with a woman that he then puts time into without the reward of having his children... he woudn't... hence when a man feels his children aren't like him he probably had a hard time relating to his sons... and males need (regardless of what feminists say) father/son bonds...

Today I think it's more a hold over from that kind of thinking that is just in the deep part of our intuitive side and kicks in at timem

On being Circumsized... personally I didn't mind it, didn't suffer from anything that was written above and personally perfer it... I have had great sex all my life, no issues with it and well... I had to kind of look at that list of horrible side effects and think "who made that up" my god, it's lucky I survived unscathed! :eek:

Seriously, no guy I know can even recall getting it done... it's like, don't remember... unless they were an adult (which I might add would be horrible, since it would take forever to heal, it would scar and be all horrible... so if your going to do it, do it at birth, if not, forget it, IT IS NOT an option anyone but a crazy man would do in adulthood, my god if a Vasectomy hurts, think about it...YIKE!)

anyway... mine is clean, senstive, cums fine, smells good, looks pretty and all that... never been embarassed in a mens shower or had a girl go "OMG what the hell is that!!" as some un-cut friends have had dating trauma over in HS and later... not to mention the fact they tend to hide it at every turn (locker rooms, and the whole deal... I can't think of anyone that ever really liked the idea of being un-cut, though I have seen guys when I was in the military and growing up and all... they just seemed to be uncomfortable all the time.

Just my two cents...

But for the record I wouldn't wait, either do it or don't, but doing it later... OMG NO... OUCH... readas - minor surgery becomes MAJOR surgery.
 

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Bette said:
That's something I don't understand. Why is it important to a FATHER'S identity for his son to be just like him?

If I had to venture an educated guess on this, based on my own personal experience as a man and a son so far in life (yet to be a father to a boy so only speculation), but it would seem that men probably on some level "sniff" the kids to make sure they are "his" figuratively that is... as women are not interested in wasting time with men they don't want to be with for obviouse reasons of there is a window of time when they are able to "get a man, beget children, and get them raised" and waisting time just gets in the way and leads no where... men probably deep down as well, feel that if these are their offspring with will "look/be" like them as well... call it verification of resource expenditure. Since why would a man, who was seeking to pass on his genes (in the way of biological imparatives) seek to subvert his own reproduction for that of another man's with a woman that he then puts time into without the reward of having his children... he woudn't... hence when a man feels his children aren't like him he probably had a hard time relating to his sons... and males need (regardless of what feminists say) father/son bonds...

Today I think it's more a hold over from that kind of thinking that is just in the deep part of our intuitive side and kicks in at timem

On being Circumsized... personally I didn't mind it, didn't suffer from anything that was written above and personally perfer it... I have had great sex all my life, no issues with it and well... I had to kind of look at that list of horrible side effects and think "who made that up" my god, it's lucky I survived unscathed! :eek:

Seriously, no guy I know can even recall getting it done... it's like, don't remember... unless they were an adult (which I might add would be horrible, since it would take forever to heal, it would scar and be all horrible... so if your going to do it, do it at birth, if not, forget it, IT IS NOT an option anyone but a crazy man would do in adulthood, my god if a Vasectomy hurts, think about it...YIKE!)

anyway... mine is clean, senstive, cums fine, smells good, looks pretty and all that... never been embarassed in a mens shower or had a girl go "OMG what the hell is that!!" as some un-cut friends have had dating trauma over in HS and later... not to mention the fact they tend to hide it at every turn (locker rooms, and the whole deal... I can't think of anyone that ever really liked the idea of being un-cut, though I have seen guys when I was in the military and growing up and all... they just seemed to be uncomfortable all the time.

Just my two cents...

But for the record I wouldn't wait, either do it or don't, but doing it later... OMG NO... OUCH... readas - minor surgery becomes MAJOR surgery.
 

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Classic minimization. You seem like a nice guy, but you're just trying to make yourself feel better. Not knowing better is not the same as saying there is no difference. Times change. Most places the cut guy is a very small minority.

You point out that no normal guy would willingly do this to himself, but try to make some point about doing it early. You gloss over that no infant has EVER chosen circumcision.

Circumcision is a sick response to a healthy baby. Just say no to genital cutting of any kind. All body parts need life long care. But we need them. Isn't it a bit sad what you don't know about a normal part of your anatomy?
 

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Bette said:
WOMEN LEAVE THEIR BODIES FOR THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY TO DO WITH AS THEY WISH ALL THE TIME!!! Just having a baby in a hospital is UNempowering. You give birth against gravity, causing serious unnecessary distress, and then they GRAB the kid away from you, snip his tiny penis and do god knows what else to the kid. I've read and heard sad stories from women about this unbearable time when their newborns are cruelly whisked away from them, in the hands of doctors, nurses, even the fathers before the mothers. It's DISGUSTING.

There is a very long history of the medical community and government abusing women medically. THALIDOMIDE. Nuff said.

This is why I became a midwife. I only do births in home or birthing centers. I am doctor,nurse,labor coach and friend to the moms.
I do encourage breast feeding, and I do not encourage circumcision.

Mom gives birth in the position SHE wants. I had one on her side,just lubed the thighs and she pulled up one leg.
Some kneel in bed while holding on to hubby, some on all 4s.
Some all over the place. I have a birthing chair, but I only use that if she really wants that. It just seems to put too much pressure on the perineum and causes (I think ) more tears.
I also do not do routine episiotomy . IF there is a tear I can sew it up.

Giving birth is not a medical procedure. As long as it is a 'normal' birth. This is about giving back control to the woman.

 

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dxjnorto said:
Here's some cartoon responses to this oft asked question:

http://www.stopinfantcircumcision.org/toon.htm

Fathers are often strangely competitive with their sons. Sometimes it comes down to I don't want that little upstart to have anything I don't (or can't) have.

Also, sometimes it is a way of validating what happened to the adult. Many men have a difficult time internalizing that otherwise circumspect and loving parents would subject them to a harmful and unnecessary genital surgery. The parents may have had the child's best interests in mind, but the medical industry did NOT.

Fortunately this is changing in the U.S. As circumcision is now in the single digits in all other English speaking societies, can we be far behind?

Thank you for your thoughtful response. It disturbs me that parents (not just dads) are competitive with their kids. My mother was competitve with me when I was a child and it has been extremely damaging. Still...it had nothing to do with my genitalia!

Myspacers against circumcision might want to add as a friend or subscribe to blog:

http://www.myspace.com/not_sircumsized

He posted this on his blog, which I thought would be of interest to others here:

Pain From Circumcision Being Treated More Seriously By Doctors
Main Category: Pain / Anesthetics News
Article Date: 22 Jul 2006 - 8:00am (PDT)

One of the first things most little boys in the U.S. experience is something they'll never remember - circumcision - but that doesn't mean it isn't a painful experience. The debate over whether infants feel pain has ended, and the positive conclusion is catching up with obstetrical, pediatric and family physician training programs, 97 percent of which now learn effective pain relief techniques for circumcision. Just 10 years ago, only 71 percent learned how to ease pain during the brief surgical procedure.

"This is a large leap ahead in how physicians are trained to perform circumcisions, which at 1 million annually, is the most common surgical procedure," said Daniel Yawman, M.D., M.P.H., a pediatrician at Golisano Children's Hospital at Strong and Rochester General Hospital. Yawman, also a clinical instructor at the University of Rochester Medical Center, is the author of a study on the subject in Ambulatory Pediatrics today. "There is no reason a newborn should have to endure the pain of circumcision without a local or topical anesthetic."

Based upon the overwhelming evidence of the safety and benefit of effective analgesia, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and the American Academy of Pediatrics released recommendations since 1999 calling for the universal use of local or topical anesthetics to provide pain relief for neonatal circumcision.

A previous study on circumcision training techniques, which shared author Cynthia Howard, M.D., M.P.H., associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Rochester Medical Center and pediatric director of the mother-baby unit at Rochester General Hospital, was published in 1998, prior to the new pain relief recommendations.

The two most effective and most commonly used pain relief techniques are the dorsal penile nerve block and the subcutaneous ring block. Both techniques involve the injection of the painkiller lidocaine at the base of the penis which decreases pain sensation prior to circumcision. Topical anesthetic creams are less effective but they are safe and do provide some pain relief. Any of these techniques can be used in combination with the Mogen clamp, the Gomco clamp and the Pastibell method, the three most common surgical methods of circumcision.

"The decision whether or not to have their baby boy circumcised is a decision that parents must make after weighing the risks and benefits of the procedure. If parents decide that they would like to have their baby boy circumcised, it is the duty of the physician to make the procedure as painless as possible," Yawman said. "For more than 100 years, physicians have been talking about using pain relief during circumcision, and it's encouraging that the next generation of doctors is learning how to make circumcision more comfortable for their patients."

www.medicalnewstoday.com

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pain relief for neonatal circumcision (Cochrane Review)[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Brady-Fryer B, Wiebe N, Lander JA[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ABSTRACT [/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A substantive amendment to this systematic review was last made on 01 May 2004. Cochrane reviews are regularly checked and updated if necessary.
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Background: Circumcision is a painful procedure that many newborn males undergo in the first few days after birth. Interventions are available to reduce pain at circumcision; however, many newborns are circumcised without pain management.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Objectives: The objective of this review was to assess the effectiveness and safety of interventions for reducing pain at neonatal circumcision.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Search strategy: We searched Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL, The Cochrane Library, Issue 2, 2004), MEDLINE (1966 - April 2004), EMBASE (1988 - 2004 week 19), CINAHL (1982 - May week 1 2004), Dissertation Abstracts (1986 - May 2004), Proceedings of the World Congress on Pain (1993 - 1999), and reference lists of articles. Language restrictions were not imposed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Selection criteria: Randomised controlled trials comparing pain interventions with placebo or no treatment or comparing two active pain interventions in male term or preterm infants undergoing circumcision.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Data collection and analysis: Two independent reviewers assessed trial quality and extracted data. Ten authors were contacted for additional information. Adverse effects information was obtained from the trial reports. For meta-analysis, data on a continuous scale were reported as weighted mean difference (WMD) or, when the units were not compatible, as standardized mean difference.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Main results: Thirty-five trials involving 1,997 newborns were included. Thirty-three trials enrolled healthy, full term neonates, and two enrolled infants born preterm.Fourteen trials involving 592 newborns compared dorsal penile nerve block (DPNB) with placebo or no treatment. Compared to placebo/no treatment, DPNB demonstrated significantly lower heart rate [WMD -35 bpm, 95% CI -41 to -30], decreased time crying [WMD -54 %, 95% CI -64 to -44], and increased oxygen saturation [WMD 3.7 %, 95% CI 2.7 to 3.7]. Six trials involving 200 newborns compared eutectic mixture of analgesics (EMLA) with placebo. EMLA demonstrated significantly lower facial action scores [WMD -46.5, 95% CI -80.4 to -12.6], decreased time crying [WMD - 15.2 %, 95% CI -21 to -9.3] and lower heart rate [WMD -15 bpm, 95% CI -19 to -10]. DPNB, compared with EMLA in three trials involving 139 newborns (133 of whom were included in the analysis), demonstrated significantly lower heart rate [WMD -17 bpm, 95% CI -23 to -11] and pain scores. When compared with sucrose in two trials involving 127 newborns, DPNB demonstrated less time crying [MD -166 s, 95% CI -211 to -121], and lower heart rate [WMD -27 bpm, 95% CI -33 to -20]. Results obtained for trials comparing oral sucrose and oral analgesics to placebo, and trials of environmental modification were either inconsistent or were not significantly different.Adverse effects included gagging, choking, and emesis in placebo/untreated groups. Minor bleeding, swelling and hematoma were reported with DPNB. Erythema and mild skin pallor were observed with the use of EMLA. Methaemoglobin levels were evaluated in two trials of EMLA, and results were within normal limits.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Authors' conclusions: DPNB was the most frequently studied intervention and was the most effective for circumcision pain. Compared to placebo, EMLA was also effective, but was not as effective as DPNB. Both interventions appear to be safe for use in newborns. None of the studied interventions completely eliminated the pain response to circumcision.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Citation: Brady-Fryer B, Wiebe N, Lander JA. Pain relief for neonatal circumcision. The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2004, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD004217. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004217.[/FONT]

 

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Mumzi said:
This is why I became a midwife. I only do births in home or birthing centers. I am doctor,nurse,labor coach and friend to the moms. As long as it is a 'normal' birth. This is about giving back control to the woman.


I think it is wonderful, what you do. I had considered becoming a midwife at one time. Or at least a doula. Life is taking me in a different direction.
 

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IsTHATReal said:
On being Circumsized... Seriously, no guy I know can even recall getting it done... it's like, don't remember...

Most people in this world do not ever CONSCIOUSLY recall FROM MEMORY their births or anything from that period of time. MOST. But your emotional and cell bodies DO remember.

In addition, since I've been recently dealing with some childhood issues, I am recalling some things. And I DO remember my birth!
 

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dxjnorto said:
Women in childbirth need protection from genital cutting too. You're a hero in my book Mum.
absolutely. good midwives have a hard run of it, with insurance and other costs. but it's a really important role to have a cheerleader for women's rights in delivery, whether they're in hospital or at home. my homebirth was very difficult, but hugely empowering and no one got near me with a scalpel... and I had no tears.
 

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dxjnorto said:
Classic minimization. You seem like a nice guy, but you're just trying to make yourself feel better. Not knowing better is not the same as saying there is no difference. Times change. Most places the cut guy is a very small minority.

You point out that no normal guy would willingly do this to himself, but try to make some point about doing it early. You gloss over that no infant has EVER chosen circumcision.


Circumcision is a sick response to a healthy baby. Just say no to genital cutting of any kind. All body parts need life long care. But we need them. Isn't it a bit sad what you don't know about a normal part of your anatomy?


All I am saying is this, I am a nice guy by the way, I am cut, it was at birth, I have a pretty penis, I enjoy sex and my penis is very healthy with/out issues... I feel fine about it and so to all my male friends that have been similar cut.

It's not the tramatic thing people seem to think, I think the NEW AGE movement is kind of FULL of crap, but if it makes people feel good to deal in psuedo-scientific non-sense so be it.

The reason it's done at birth is that the cells in you body as a child will heal very quickly without much fuss, as an adult that is a completely different situation, with anything medical, your body just doesn't recover as fast or as well.

So you can't just say you arn't going to make a decision for your child by leaving them "intact" or not... that is not accurate, you have made a choice either way... cut or uncut is the way they get to spend a majority of the time they are in society.

Now just for FYI to mothers that probably never were in any way a "boy" growing up - "boys" pick on uncut boys, girls go ewwwwwwwwwwwww... when they hear about a fellow classmate that is uncut from the "guys" that know him from nothing more then locker room talk. Is it FAIR - NO...but it's reality... I was glad I was cut (thought at the time I didn't much think about it, I just looked like everyone one else) and until my HS days I didn't know someone that wasn't, un a class of over 1000, we had two guys that were uncut for four years neither has a girl get near them... after one girl told every other girl, the one guy "smelled" and the other guy, well he had enough issues looks wise, that the word around school just did him in by default... neither went to prom, they didn't have "normal" dating experiences in their early adulthood and so on...it was sad. It wasn't right, but it was the way it was.

Mothers are wonderful people, because they want the world to treat their child FAIR with regard to just about everything... the unfortunate side is that life is no where near fair, though it would be nice if it was, reality will hit boys on this one square in the head just about the time they are least able to deal/cope with it, when they are already under alot or pressue to be "one of the boys" and ANYTHING different about them singles them out for humiliation, which is how boys function at that stage...

I don't advocate either cuting or not cutting, but I do think that either way you have to be ready to deal with the consequences of the results, because either way there is going to be a result.

And, if you think I am just being provincial, my over 8 years in the US military and in many places in the world, I have seen very few uncut men... they are a minority amoung males.
 

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Bette said:
I think it is wonderful, what you do. I had considered becoming a midwife at one time. Or at least a doula. Life is taking me in a different direction.


:smile::smile::smile: You know, doula's are becoming very popular lately. For anyone who doesn't know what a doula does; she does not deliver the baby but she is the support, labor coach, nurse, shoulder to cry on, and advocate for the mom. Often moms have a doula when they have a hospital delivery. Her doula is by her side every moment. She pretty much takes over basic care of the mom ( other than drugs or procedures) and she is also helpful when various problems arise... possibly a decision, and if mom is having contractions someone needs to be able to take over and make sure her wishes are carried out.

One example might be: there was an agreement between the mom and doc that mom would be getting her epidural when she was 5 cm dilated - or maybe it was 7cm. Well the doc may have forgotten that conversation; mom asks the nurse, the nurse decides that most people get the eppi at X time, and she proceeds to carry on with what she is doing.

The doula knows the routine and knows what the mom wants and when, so she will now make sure that things go smoothly. She will talk to the doctor.
If things don't go smoothly, the doula is there to fix it, and that is one less thing for the mom to worry about.

Where is dad in all this? Well he's stressed too. Often times patients feel intimidated in a hospital and they don't speak up.
The doula not only rubs moms back, dries her tears, listens to her fears, but she is also mom's best advocate because she was trained to do this, and I'm sure- she enjoys what she does.

Becoming a doula is not as involved as an RN or certified nurse midwife, but there is training involved and for anyone delivering in a hospital, having a doula is the next best thing to having a midwife.
The only thing she doesn't do is deliver the baby.

But many doula's also specialize in home care-beast feeding-infant care those first few months. So some doula's can be with the mom for the delivery and help her acclimate those first few weeks or months.

On the flip side: my brother in law is an obstetrician/gynecologist.
He has no problems with a doula, but he knows some docs that do.
I think this is because they just had some bad experiences with some that didn't know their place.
They need to realize that everyone has their place and the doula is not a physician, not a nurse. There have been times that the doc suggested some sort of med or procedure and the doula decided it wasn't a good idea. It gets hairy when the patient is so close to the doula that she now takes her advise over the doctors.

There can be friction even between doctors and nurses when it comes to egos. Doctors can be wrong. So can nurses but -there has to be some respect there.

If one of my BIL's patients is going to have a doula, he has the doula come to the last 3 or 4 appointments when he is seeing the mom every week. That way he can get to know the doula, and they can make sure they are on the same page.

There can be immediate friction when the doula walks into the room and she and the doctor do not know each other-the doctor may have heard negative things about doula's in general (and the doula knows that some docs resent them) and already they are both wary of each other. There are some hospitals that will only allow doula's sanctioned by the hospital.
This often happens when there is a problem with a doula trying to act as a doctor and telling the patient that she should not listen to the doctor, that she is right, doctor is wrong.......that could be a problem.
I think meeting each other and getting to know each other goes a long way to insure mutual respect.

I feel the doula profession is only going to grow. If you talk to any mom who had one child without a doula and then one with, they'll often tell you that they can't imagine having a child again without their doula. The other thing to consider is; it is not something that takes a lot of time to learn. I would imagine a few months. This is something your average mom could do when the kids are older, especially if she didn't have a career or was looking for a new one. A doula that is a mom-I think, would be easier to relate to.

Right now many people have no idea what a doula is. Absolutely no clue!
I have a druid in an online game I play, I named her doula.
No one has ever said to me " I get it,healer = doula"
People just seem to think it is some sort of auto-generated name.
 

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Had I ever had children, I personally would have preferred having the male(s) "cut". Of course, I would have let the wife/mother share in the decision.

"Midwife" huh, I know there is a lot of openings in that field.:tongue:
 
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1. Well, it is advised against by every medical association, national and international, so the medical world says no.
2. It was intended in the states to prevent masturbation since it decreases the pleasure sensation -look it up if you dont believe me.
3. When a child falls asleep during circumcision, it is due to neurogenic shock. It is very painful. Neonates have unmylenated nerves. That means the pain sensation is greater. It is less painful as an adult.
4. More children die from circumcision than men die from penile cancer.
5. God isn't stupid, he put it there for a reason.
6. It only reduces a childs chance of UTI's, but only in the 1st year of life. The foreskin protects the glans from exposure to urine and feces in the diaper, so it actully decreases the chance of infections, better than circ'ing.
7. Leaving intact reduces the chance of HIV transmission. Cutting of the foreskin leaves a scar. The skin of a scar is weaker than intact skin. The scar can get microscopic tears in it and allow the virus into the body.
8. It removes 30-50% of skin of the penis. This makes it 30-50% shorter than it would have been left intact, and removes 30-50% of nerves, and decreases sexual pleasure.
9. America and some parts of Europe are the only places in the world that do it.
10. Guys do not look at other guys penises in the locker room and they sure as hell wouldnt talk about it if they did. You think having an intact penis would cause teasing, what about guys thinking you were gay?
11. How often is your son going to be looking at your penis? (for the look like daddy argument)
I could keep going but noone reads long posts
 

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It is so nice to hear the women's point of view on this. I am uncut and very thankful to my parents for leaving me intact. I have worked in the Healthcare setting for many years and have talked to quite a few coworkers about their upcomng births every one of them were planning to circumcise. I gave them my opinion and sources of more info. I'm happy to say i saved a few foreskins.

I'll never have a son of my own but of course I wouldn't subject im to that trauma. A baby is totally dependent on us to keep them safe and cicumcision is a betrayal to that innocent child. A disservice at the moment and throughout his life.

Now for the downside. My parents were terrible when it came to talking to us about anything we needed to know. Things we needed to know about our bodies and developement. Of course I never had a "birds and bees" talk. My parents did not tell me anything about taking care of my foreskin. At a young age my foreskin grew back to my glans and the GP skinned it back in his office without anything for pain. As you may guess it was a very painful and bloody procedure. I guess that is my earliest memory directly related to my penis. From the intelligence of the ladies' posts i've read I'm sure this situation would never arise in their children but just as a gentle reminder be sure to teach your boys to take care of their foreskin.

Luckily I had no scarring from the procedure but the memory is very clear. I think pain leaves a strong imprint even if we don't remember it.

Much love to the ladies that want us intact:smile:
 

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Farmio said:
My parents did not tell me anything about taking care of my foreskin. At a young age my foreskin grew back to my glans and the GP skinned it back in his office without anything for pain. As you may guess it was a very painful and bloody procedure.
Even if you did nothing to keep it clean, there is no reason it should "grow back". I suspect that it had just not yet separated. Sometimes it doesn't separate till puberty (a friend of mine first saw his glans on his first erection!), sometimes not even then, but if it's not a problem to the penis's owner, it's still not a problem. If that is the case, the doctor tore the glans and the foreskin apart, explaining the blood. You were lucky the wound didn't heal them back together, creating the problem it was intended to cure.

"Taking care of the foreskin" = leaving it alone.

Mothers contemplating circumcision should see this leaflet, "It's a boy!"

http://www.circumstitions.com/itsaboy.html