Present and Future Mothers: Circumcise your sons or not? WITH POLL

Circumcize or not?


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IsTHATReal said:
It's not the tramatic thing people seem to think

Watch one. Attend a bris, or search here or on the web for videos. It's horrible. I would seek revenge against someone who caused my baby the kind of obvious agony to which other women pay doctors to subject their babies.

IsTHATReal said:
... cut or uncut is the way they get to spend a majority of the time they are in society.
I don't know. The average man now lives to almost 80. One of my lovers chose to get cut in his early 30's. If he lives to an average age, even as late as he got cut, the majority of his "time in society" cut. And he's done it by choice. (For religious reasons. There was nothing wrong with his Penis and its foreskin.)

IsTHATReal said:
I was glad I was cut (thought at the time I didn't much think about it, I just looked like everyone one else)
I believe that you really are happy about your circumcision, but if you were happy looking like everyone else, you would not have done to your penis what you've done to your penis. Remember our chat in the chatroom? You like how different it looks, and you like getting a reaction. So this is not a good argument, especially from you.

IsTHATReal said:
after one girl told every other girl, the one guy "smelled"
Everyone who doesn't wash their genitals has a smell.

IsTHATReal said:
"normal" dating experiences in their early adulthood and so on...it was sad. It wasn't right, but it was the way it was.
Many guys lack the social skills to have what you call a "normal" early dating experience. All of my male friends are cut, and not a single one of them had what you would call "normal" early dating experiences. And sure, some of them were awkward, but some of them were hot.

IsTHATReal said:
reality will hit boys on this one square in the head just about the time they are least able to deal/cope with it, when they are already under alot or pressue to be "one of the boys" and ANYTHING different about them singles them out for humiliation, which is how boys function at that stage...
When I was in HS, my first boyfriend showed me a clinical picture of an intact penis. Privately we laughed. He'd said they looked like Dr. Seuss characters, and the drawing he showed me did not contradict that statement. However prejudiced I was against them from that day, (and especially after the lies I was taught in health class) I certainly did not laugh in the face of the first guy to show me un uncut flaccid penis. In fact, I thought it was different, but nice. And once it got hard, I thought it was beautiful. It was the prettiest one I'd seen at the time, in fact.


IsTHATReal said:
my over 8 years in the US military and in many places in the world, I have seen very few uncut men... they are a minority amoung males.
Every man I have asked from a country other than the US has been intact, and all of them were from Europe, which is the only other place where non-muslims and non-jews commonly and routinely circumcise their male children.
 

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IsTHATReal said:
"boys" pick on uncut boys, girls go ewwwwwwwwwwwww... when they hear about a fellow classmate that is uncut from the "guys" that know him from nothing more then locker room talk. Is it FAIR - NO...but it's reality...

That's the way it is NOW. But empowered mothers can close that gap of 99% cut, 1% uncut. The female reaction to it reminds me of an episode of Nip/Tuck (back when that show was actually worth watching) wherein the teen son and his gf are making out and she finds out that he's uncut. Her reaction wasn't anything near traumatizing, she simply said that other boys didn't look like that. But the boy's ego had him begging his plastic surgery family to circumcize him.

IsTHATReal said:
we had two guys that were uncut for four years neither has a girl get near them... after one girl told every other girl, the one guy "smelled" and the other guy, well he had enough issues looks wise, that the word around school just did him in by default... neither went to prom, they didn't have "normal" dating experiences in their early adulthood and so on...it was sad. It wasn't right, but it was the way it was.

LOL You're actually saying that because some dude wasn't cut he didn't get laid for four years????? I'm sure other factors were involved. You're quite myopic. Like a lawyer. I'm sure you could use any subject presented and use it as an excuse for why these 2 guys didn't get laid.

IsTHATReal said:
reality will hit boys on this one square in the head just about the time they are least able to deal/cope with it, when they are already under alot or pressue to be "one of the boys" and ANYTHING different about them singles them out for humiliation, which is how boys function at that stage...

Well then why don't fathers empower their sons to not cave to this pressure among all boys??? Men are weak-minded. PERIOD. And extremely sensitive. How about a revolution on YOUR part???? Why is it up to mothers to change YOUR world??? If you choose to give in to the bs that is currently "boyhood" and "manhood," and you don't like it, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
 

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IsTHATReal said:
And, if you think I am just being provincial, my over 8 years in the US military and in many places in the world, I have seen very few uncut men... they are a minority amoung males.
Well then you didn't see much of the world. Most of of the world's men are intact. See: http://www.circumstitions.com/Maps.html
 

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Why do women think they have the right to decide this for their sons?
 

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MH07 said:
Why do women think they have the right to decide this for their sons?


because they are the parent!

I was cut when I was an infant, I don't have any emotional scars from it, I would have rather been left intact, I am in the process of restoring, I started noticing some extra skin, I am pleased with that.

I don't have any son's (not to my knowledge anyways), but I would have never wanted them cut on, I do think that when the male gets older should be the one to decide if he wants to be cut or not.

as for the kids being teased and such about looking different, more and more boys are being left intact these days, so the ones that are cut will be the ones who will be teased about looking different, I am glad that the rate of circumcision is going down.

for those ladies that are midwives, I think that is great, I am srue it's rewarding to you to help out a new mother bring a new life into the world, hats off to you.
 

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Wow... well one, I will say this... men aren't weak, they are different from women, but not weaker or stronger. I think that is an unfair and sexist statement.

I wouldn't say men need a revolution, because I would say that after our teens and maybe twenties, this really is a non-issue unless it's a problem for our S.O. otherwise, we probably as a group don't much care anymore.

Now I know that you are all up in arms about some of the statements I made... I am not at all saying that you should/shouldn't make your choice for your child. By all means do what you feel is right for you and more so them, they are your child and you are the parent.

What I think is important is that as a female, not owning a penis personally, you should be careful about being bias one way or the other... both cut and uncut have positives and negatives I am sure... as I have seen it from a cut side I can assure you that there is nothing horrible or traumatizing about it being done. I think that as a person watching it's probably more traumatic to watch as an adult then to have done as a infant... truse me I can say personally from my own life and the life of so many of my guy friends in life that our parents were traumatized so often from things that we did, like fall off bikes, down stairs, off the roof, from a hayloft, off a moterbike, from a tractor, hit with a baseball bat, clocked in the head with a baseball, tennis racket, odd 2x4, cuts, scrapes, impalements, etc... in otherwords the whole of being a Boy... I am sure that they though we would be dead... amazing we didn't die, didn't have permanet damage and didn't much think on it at the time, other then something like... um, mom... I am bleeding all over... can you fix this... or Mom, Tom fell out of the tree and his arm is sideways... but he said he still want to s ride the tractor around and kicked me in the head when I said he should come see you... so I hit him with a shovel and called him and idiot... etc.

I mean we played things like WAR, Cowboys and Indians, Gladiator (wooden yard markers and metal trash can lids - which work GREAT for that) and just about anything that requires you to be dirty, sweaty, bulgeoned, brused, beaten, and so on...

So in all that I don't think a little thing way eary one before you even can remember is going to make that big a dent in your psyche... maybe your mothers but not the boys... I mean I can't remember almost cutting my foot off with a shovel at three, but my parents do... it's still the joke that my father almost passed out and my mother though I was going to lose my foot.... I however was happy eating marshmellows apparently and wating for the doctor to look at my foot... which sounds about right...LOL...

So, anyway... nuff said, I think either way is fine... pesonally I like being cut, I find it easy to deal with and works just fine. Does sort of look like puppet...LOL... but then both male and female parts are rather curious looking... I like the statement in American Pie - "this is the female...um... as you will note it looks rather like an exotic tropical flower... and ah...um..." :biggrin1:
 

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I don't know, IsTHATReal. I remember things from my infancy, from long before I could talk. I clearly remember my thoughts from before I had a language. (Mostly I was preocupied with freedom, and volition, which still chiefly occupy my thoughts today.) It is surprising that I don't remember getting my ears pierced, and I don't remember being baptized. I do remember not being afraid of water, and I remember fearing water. To me, this suggests that my baptismal was traumatic, and that I supressed the memory, and it suggests that other major events I don't remember, such as getting my ears pierced, were traumatic as well. The first traumatic memory I have is a feeling of abandonment at my babysitter's when I was 6 or 7 months old. Others would probably say I cried until I fell asleep, but I actually think I may have fainted. My babysitter loved me. I remember her gentle and loving tone of voice, and some of the Spanish words she sang to me. She was kind, and she smelled nice. Still, I cried every morning when my mother left. I wasn't told this, I remember. I began school at 18 months, and i remember the first day as though it were yesterday. I do not assume that because I can't rememeber my ear piercing and my baptismal that it is okay that my mother subjected me to those traumas. I assume that those experiences were so extremely traumatic that my undeveloped psyche could not deal with them, and the memory is lost for that reason. I remember everything else of any significance, and many unimportant things. Make no mistake: circumcision is an extremely traumatic experience. You can't watch one and tell me it isn't, and it is wholly unneccesary for almost every male. As I said earlier, I won't permit it to be done to my infant sons if/when they come, and anyone who metes similar trauma to any of my children will get their comuppence.
 

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IsTHATReal is a good example of why a cut male is the last person on earth to ask about the natural penis. IsTHATReal, perhaps you would not consider violence and aggression inevitable if you had not experienced such at birth.

What we do to children they will do to society. ~ Karl Menninger, M.D.

Mothers, don't buy into "Circumcision is an important decision you have to make."
If your husbands are cut, don't ask them. They don't know. Just protect your children.

It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. ~ Frederick Douglass
 

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There are of course (rare) medical reasons for circumcision, and if other options have been tried and failed then in these rare cases circumcision may be necessary. Phimosis only rarely requires circumcision.

I am deeply shocked that a substantial minority of people answering this poll do seem to think that infant circumcision for other than medical reasons can be justified. It is a brabaric mutilation of a child and is a form of child abuse.

In Britain this particular abusive behaviour is thankfully rare, even among Jewish families. The USA needs to catch up with the civilised world on this matter - certainly it needs to change attitudes, and maybe it should consider legislation specifically outlawing this form of child abuse.
 

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Both my boys are circ-d.
This question you pose is vague. I have read the posts about men being cut and the terrible results that they were left with. However a proper circumcision takes very little skin away. My son's skin(s) cover almost to the very end and moves freely when erect. They have no problems.

That being said... the doctor MADE me give good reasons for wanting my sons circ-d and this is what I told him;
Every woman I have ever talked to has told me that they are "turned off" by an uncircumcised man, and I dont want their sex life to suffer for that.
I also dont want them to HAVE to have it done at a later age as it would be very painful.

That being said.. and I apologise if I offend ( in advance)many men Do seem to have problems in regard to hygiene.... a few friends have complained to me that they got down to give their BF a BJ and found gross head cheese there with a distinct odor they found unappealing.
They broke up because they were so turned off.
Personally an uncut flacid guy is unappealing to me, though it looks better hard.
I think a circ-d cock is much more attractive than one that isnt.

This board is filled with people that I think, are much more educated than most people I have met but in my own experiance talking with tons of women..... they have all preferred the look and appeal of a circ-d man.
 

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Religion, circumcision and practically everything should be elective NOT compulsory. Just give children morals, and love and basic life skills. Then they can make up their own minds.

That is the best way. There are so many things wrong with forcing children into religion and deciding that they should lose an integral part of their body and manhood. At least, this is what I think. Everyone else is free to disagree.

None of my sons or daughters will be circumcised or indoctrinated into a religion from birth.
 

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Lordpendragon said:
This is a level of parenting that I am not familiar with.

My dear Sir,
I took very meticulous care of my sons in regard to bathing until they were about 5/6 years old... after that they had their privacy.

My sons and I have a very communicative realtionship and so they came to me with questions from time to time and summer rashes too. * roe*

They are 18 and 21 now and havent asked me questions in a while, but they do not hesitate to come to me if they have ( especially) a health problem. They have none.

In regard to my statement... I think maybe I should clarify... that I did not want my sons sex lives to suffer. Most simply put..... I wanted them to get as much head as possible and no woman to have an excuse NOT to give it to them.

Ya.. Im a terrible mom.
*tough nuggies*