President trump,who'd have thought??

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Agreed; Donald obviously just appealed to a key voting block in a way that Hillary didn't. People who care about social justice clearly were not excited by her campaign or her personality. Awful, awful candidate who was chosen for all the wrong reasons.

It's gonna be a very interesting few years. The power struggle is never over. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a serious impeachment effort before the first half of his first term is up.

I think an impeachment is very possible. I think I should remind people of a two things:
  • The Trump University trial begins in a couple weeks and will probably drag into his first 100 days.
  • Hillary won the popular vote by a very narrow margin, which could possibly mean a strong activation of a movement to abolish the Electoral College (I've been against it since I have been of voting age, as I think it is really unfair and unnecessary).
We also have to consider that Trump is very unpredictable. Literally, anything is possible, good or bad, and I could even see him disenfranchising the one group that helped him get the White House.
 

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Hillary won the popular vote by a very narrow margin, which could possibly mean a strong activation of a movement to abolish the Electoral College (I've been against it since I have been of voting age, as I think it is really unfair and unnecessary).
This would require for the American left to put aside some of it's own infighting for a while and organize together. And it would have to be bipartisan as well, which means the Left coming to terms with some of its own hypocrisies and shortcomings. There are some people on the right, who believe in the objectives of social justice, but who simply believe it can be better achieved through less government interference. You or I might disagree with that, but that doesn't make them bad people. These people will have to be included in that discussion for anything to change on the Electoral College system.

I can definitely see why you bring up the issue though. The voting system is even more messed up on the congressional level, but that's a whole other conversation...
 
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I thought he would win. The polls were not done correctly.
 

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I think an impeachment is very possible. I think I should remind people of a two things:
  • The Trump University trial begins in a couple weeks and will probably drag into his first 100 days.
  • Hillary won the popular vote by a very narrow margin, which could possibly mean a strong activation of a movement to abolish the Electoral College (I've been against it since I have been of voting age, as I think it is really unfair and unnecessary).
I don't see how an election this close, in popular vote, can be called within 24 hours of election day's deadline. In WA state we can now track our ballots online. Rather than trusting the Post Office, I put my ballot, signed and sealed, in the ballot box at my county's administrative building, on Monday morning, and it still has not been counted, as of Wednesday morning. Despite Clinton winning here, I'm pissed off about that, and, yeah, let's get rid of the Electoral Collage!

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"I was right because I did not consider the polls, I ignored the pundits, I did not look at the day to day events of the campaign."

American University professor Allan Lichtman has a system of predicting U.S. presidential election winners that accurately foresaw Donald Trump's victory. He joins CBSN to explain his prediction, and why he now thinks it's likely Trump will be impeached.

 

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I'm deeply saddened by it, but I'm not amazed, because it's so similar to the last time Cameron got in.

I really hope that the people who voted for him do not blind themselves to the human suffering that will be caused as a result of their actions.
The people that voted for Trump ARE the one's who are suffering. That's why this is being called "the forgotten man election". Forgotten by Obama, Clinton and self-absorbed-tweet-happy celebs.
 

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"I was right because I did not consider the polls, I ignored the pundits, I did not look at the day to day events of the campaign."

American University professor Allan Lichtman has a system of predicting U.S. presidential election winners that accurately foresaw Donald Trump's victory. He joins CBSN to explain his prediction, and why he now thinks it's likely Trump will be impeached.

Folks, lets get a grip of reality for a moment. There won't be a massive voter's regret. The delegates will not vote against their constituints. He will not be assassinated. He won't be imprisonated. Nobody will try an impeachment. There won't be a secession. There won't be massive protests, nor a coup nor a proletarian dictatorship takeover. The left will not florish over the disapointment with the democratic party and take the Congress in 2018. If he won the election by democrat indifference, white supremacism support, the rise of the alt-right, repression of black citizens and the many other factors we have bring up in this discussions, all of those factors will allow him to rule uncontested. He have the House, the Senate, 4 justices to appoint, and ~50% of the population; he will not disappear. Anyone who believes he will is just as wrong as people who thought he would lose votes for not rejecting the KKK support.
Sometimes I think american leftists have never met an american (don't ask me how that works).
 

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He still stands by that statement btw....was that supposed to interject some new spark into this thread? I don't understand the relevance.

Oh? Does he? Source please. I've seen nor heard any such thing. If he stands by it, and does so in the same relevance as the time of its origination, then why doesn't he step aside, concede the election in favor of the other candidate who garnered nearly 2,000,000 more votes than he did?
 

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"why doesn't he step aside, concede the election in favor of the other candidate who garnered nearly 2,000,000 more votes than he did?"

Because "majority rules" applies in a democracy ("The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.") That's why it's a true statement, and why he still stands by it.

The United States is not a democracy. It is a republic. "And to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands....."

If it was a democracy, Proposition 8 would have stood as law. Do you really want a democracy and all that it entails?
 
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"If it was a democracy, Proposition 8 would have stood as law. Do you really want a democracy and all that it entails?
That's not true at all. Democracies are not mob ruled, they are subjected to a constitution.
The Supreme Court interpreted that denying rights to same sex couples, rights that straights take for granted, was unconstitutional. The same could have been done in a democracy.
 

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That's not true at all. Democracies are not mob ruled, they are subjected to a constitutio
The Supreme Court interpreted that denying rights to same sex couples, rights that straights take for granted, was unconstitutional. The same could have been done in a democracy.

Uh, no that would be a Republic: (from http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic)

Democracy is rule by the omnipotent majority. In a democracy, an individual, and any group of individuals composing any minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of the majority.

A Republic is similar to a representative democracy except it has a written constitution of basic rights that protect the minority from being completely unrepresented or overridden by the majority.
 
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Democracy is rule by the omnipotent majority. In a democracy, an individual, and any group of individuals composing any minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of the majority.
A Republic is similar to a representative democracy except it has a written constitution of basic rights that protect the minority from being completely unrepresented or overridden by the majority.
Almost all countries in the world have constitutions, whether they are republics, democratic, both or neither. Brazil is a constitutional democratic republic: the majority choose the leaders (we are democratic), ruling is not hereditary and we have a Constitution.
 

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Section4, Article 4 of the US Constitution outlines our "Republican form of Government". It doesn't say Democratic form, it says Republican as in a Republic.
The word "democratic" doesn't even exist in the Constitution.

That said, we'll probably just go round and round on this. And I think we are both right with the US being based upon a constitution. Which brings it back to Trump's original statement. "The EC is a disaster for a democracy", because a pure democracy isn't based upon a constitution, it is majority rules. Not everything in the US is "majority rules".
 
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