President trump,who'd have thought??

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

Section4, Article 4 of the US Constitution outlines our "Republican form of Government". It doesn't say Democratic form, it says Republican as in a Republic.
The word "democratic" doesn't even exist in the Constitution.

And have I ever claimed that US Constitution establishes a democracy? Nope.
All I'm saying is that democracy isn't mob rule. Having a constitution doesn't mean the country is not democratic. Having a Supreme Court doesn't mean the country is not democratic. So you could absolutely strike down something like Proposition 8 in a democracy. Here in Brazil, we have marriage equality since 2013, by Supreme Court. Our Constitution defines us as a democracy, and we do in fact choose our leaders by majority, instead of the random arbitrarities of an indirect electoral college that doesn't have a "one-person-one-vote" rule.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

Correction: Brazil got marriage equality in 2011. 2013 was the year of the decision that notaries could not deny to issue marriage to same-sex couples, like Kim Davis. Both decisions were made by the Supreme Court.

 

[554279]

I must say I'm truly amazed!
My first thought was, how did the media/opinion polls get it so wrong?As a betting man,I would have had my money on Clinton...
Does make you wonder.....?

1) The Democrats, Clinton and the media underestimated the ability of Trump to garner the middle vote or as Hillary labeled them "the basket of deplorable's"

2) Trump gamed the electoral system better than Hillary. Bill and Carvel would have and should have schooled her better

3) Hillary and the Democrats assumed the ratio of black voter turnout, the Latino/Hispanic vote and all of the other demographics that Trump alienated would flock to her

4) People that felt the "Bern" felt like they were screwed and stayed at home or went behind the curtain and said "screw you"

 

[rubirosa]

1) The Democrats, Clinton and the media underestimated the ability of Trump to garner the middle vote or as Hillary labeled them "the basket of deplorable's"

2) Trump gamed the electoral system better than Hillary. Bill and Carvel would have and should have schooled her better

3) Hillary and the Democrats assumed the ratio of black voter turnout, the Latino/Hispanic vote and all of the other demographics that Trump alienated would flock to her

4) People that felt the "Bern" felt like they were screwed and stayed at home or went behind the curtain and said "screw you"

6inchcock each of your four points ring TRUE.
The air of ENTITLEMENT wilted like the Panties on a Prom Queen.

President Elect Donald Trump is gearing up to open the biggest can of whoop ass that this Country and the World has ever seen.
1.) Secured Border....finally.
2.) Elimination of the antiquated anchor baby.
3.) Illegal entry into the United States of America = Nada...Nothing....Zilch only a one way ticket back to Palookaville.
4.) The Federal money to sanctuary cities comes to an end....Start crying San Francisco.
5.) Equal Trade Agreements....finally. China will now have to take the same $ amount of goods from us as we get from them.
6.) Just let them refuse.

President Trump the American people have spoken and our support and obviously our trust is with you.

 

[jbfly]

And have I ever claimed that US Constitution establishes a democracy? Nope.
All I'm saying is that democracy isn't mob rule. Having a constitution doesn't mean the country is not democratic. Having a Supreme Court doesn't mean the country is not democratic. So you could absolutely strike down something like Proposition 8 in a democracy. Here in Brazil, we have marriage equality since 2013, by Supreme Court. Our Constitution defines us as a democracy, and we do in fact choose our leaders by majority, instead of the random arbitrarities of an indirect electoral college that doesn't have a "one-person-one-vote" rule.

Well, my sources say exactly the opposite (a pure democracy IS mob rule) so....I'll just leave it at that. Have fun in Brazil.

 

[Klingsor]

Which brings it back to Trump's original statement. "The EC is a disaster for a democracy", because a pure democracy isn't based upon a constitution, it is majority rules. Not everything in the US is "majority rules".

This is a disingenuous argument: Trump himself had no such fine distinctions in mind. Unless you're asking us to believe his calling the Electoral College a "disaster" on ELECTION DAY was just him theorizing about a non-existent situation.

 

[Klingsor]

Now it turns out, Trump hasn't bothered to attend most of his daily security briefings.

The problem with being president is . . the job is so BORING.

 

[chrisrobin]

Now it turns out, Trump hasn't bothered to attend most of his daily security briefings.

The problem with being president is . . the job is so BORING.

good thing is though he is going to keep all his businesses going while he's president and claims there will be no conflict of interest, the only interest he's have is is he making money cos remember dudes, if you want to do business with me, I'm President
No problem then
so conflict at all!
(and remember chaps that as an old man he will need to have regular supplies of Viagra (to keep him upright) and lots of little naps - but then he can take these at meetings and no one will mention it.
If he wants to know what's going on he can look at his posts on Facebook and use them as an aide memoire

 

[longcockguyandlover]

fuck the liberal media. i always knew he had a chance. most people hate the liberal agenda.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

fuck the liberal media. i always knew he had a chance. most people hate the liberal agenda.

It's the liberal agenda a PC term for gay agenda?

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

Well, my sources say exactly the opposite (a pure democracy IS mob rule)

Your sources are incorrect, democracy is not mob rule at all, almost all democracies in the world have a constitution

 

[longcockguyandlover]

It's the liberal agenda a PC term for gay agenda?

Not really. But it's pretty obvious that the media is morally biased, and to Democrat views (in the USA at least).

 

[jbfly]

Your sources are incorrect, democracy is not mob rule at all, almost all democracies in the world have a constitution

And yet, the US is a republic, not a democracy, so bringing up democracies (with or without constitutions) again and again is fruitless. I pointed this out when I quoted the Constitution declaring this country a Republic, but you bit my head off.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

And yet, the US is a republic, not a democracy, so bringing up democracies (with or without constitutions) again and again is fruitless. I pointed this out when I quoted the Constitution declaring this country a Republic, but you bit my head off.

Actually, you pointed that if americans lived in a democracy, proposition 8 would be active, because you think democracies are mob ruled and without constitutions. I refuted this stupid argument, "again and again", because you are too dishonest to take your words back. If you stop insisting in lying, I'll stop insisting in refuting.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

Not really. But it's pretty obvious that the media is morally biased, and to Democrat views (in the USA at least).

What do you consider the liberal agenda then?

 

[jbfly]

Actually, you pointed that if americans lived in a democracy, proposition 8 would be active, because you think democracies are mob ruled and without constitutions. I refuted this stupid argument, "again and again", because you are too dishonest to take your words back. If you stop insisting in lying, I'll stop insisting in refuting.

Dishonest? If you are offended by my use of California's Prop 8, then fine I'll take it back. But I'm not here to discuss Prop 8, non-US governments etc. I wished you well two posts ago and you have still called me names repeatedly. As I said before, you refuse to have a conversation with me because you just want to be right. I'm ok with that. ENJOY BRAZIL.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

Dishonest? If you are offended by my use of California's Prop 8, then fine I'll take it back

Do you admit that you were lying when you said Proposition 8 could not be ruled unconstitutional in a democratic country?

 

[jbfly]

I don't lie.

Our definitions of democracy and republic are different. Under your definition, the Prop 8 ruling was due to a democracy, under mine, it was because of a republic.

I was in conversation with someone else when you involved yourself by arguing with me. It's all you've done, and I'm not here to argue, because it takes away from healthy debate and conversation.

This thread is about Donald Trump, not Prop 8. If you want to talk about Donald Trump, go for it. Otherwise, create a Prop 8 thread and enjoy.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

I don't lie.

Our definitions of democracy and republic are different. Under your definition, the Prop 8 ruling was due to a democracy, under mine, it was because of a republic.

I was in conversation with someone else when you involved yourself by arguing with me. It's all you've done, and I'm not here to argue, because it takes away from healthy debate and conversation.

This thread is about Donald Trump, not Prop 8. If you want to talk about Donald Trump, go for it. Otherwise, create a Prop 8 thread and enjoy.

That's not what I said at all. You are now being dishonest to try to pretend this is a matter of difference of opinions. It's not.
I never questioned that USA is not a democracy, and still americans got the overuling of Proposition 8. So I never said that "prop 8 ruling was due to a democracy". What I'm saying is that you could have the overuling of Proposition 8 in a democracy, that's why I used as example Brazil, that is a democracy and had a similar path to the legalization of marriage equality. So your argument that the repeal of Proposition 8 could not happen in a democracy is false. Is fearmongering people away from democracy using the case of the populist Prop 8 as a reminder of the supposed threat of democracy. That's objetively false, not a matter of opinions. Admit that you are wrong.
I don't care at all about "healthy debate". Honesty is more important than debate manners. This "post-truth" attitude is what got the world in the shithole that it is today.