Presidential debate ..

[Industrialsize]

All parties represent a self interest group. Thats hard to avoid, but the system of choosing governments we have prevent smaller factions being represented at all in government. How many green party senators do you have? Yet what percentage of the population might have wanted a green party to be represented congress?

There are zero Green Party Senators, Governors or Conresspersons. The Green party only comes out every four years during the Presidential Election. They do not field candidates for any other office. Perhaps people will take their party more seriously when they start fielding candidates from dog-catcher to President and actually try to become part of the government.

 

[Klingsor]

Oh my God. Watching CNN now, and Trump's plans for the debate--going all in, full-on attack mode.

This second debate will make the first one look like a garden party.

 

[Fuzzy_]

Bill Clinton is totally irrelevant to Hillary's policy or Trump's lewd comments. Despite this, Trump will almost certainly bring up Bill Clinton. It's all he's got.

Tonight will be about Trump surviving rather than winning.

Oh my God. Watching CNN now, and Trump's plans for the debate--going all in, full-on attack mode.

This second debate will make the first one look like a garden party.

"When they go low, we go high."

 

[deleted15807]

All Hillary needs to do is stand clear while Trump self-destructs.

 

[TexanStar]

Trump looks like he's gonna start a fist fight

 

[TexanStar]

"It's a disaster" "It's a disaster" "It's a disaster"

Is this what Donald Trump sees when he pictures America?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I think Trump did better in this second debate than in the first.
Considering how low the expectations are, he might even have done himself some good — though not, I hope and expect, enough to get close to taking the lead.

 

[deleted15807]

So he threatened to throw Hillary in jail. He's already envisioning the kind of authoritarian government he so admires in Putin. Next step executions for un-Trump activities.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Trump kept going over his time limit, and when told his time was up claimed that the Moderators were allowing Clinton go over hers... Here's the facts:

CNN approximate speaking times after 90 minutes:

Trump: 39:27

Clinton: 35:14

A/B

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I think Trump did better in this second debate than in the first.
Considering how low the expectations are, he might even have done himself some good — though not, I hope and expect, enough to get close to taking the lead.

CNN has done a poll about the debate.
Overall, Clinton seems to have won. 57 percent thought she won the debate vs. 34 percent who thought Trump emerged the victor.
It's more interesting, though, when you look at how the candidates did against viewers' expectations.
63 percent thought Trump exceeded expectations; 21 percent thought he performed worse than they expected; and 15 percent thought he met expectations.
Clinton did well but not as well as her opponent.
39 percent thought she exceeded expectations; 26 percent thought she was worse than expected; and 34 percent thought she met expectations.
Trump is going to gain a little from the evening, I think.

 

[deleted15807]

Trump is going to gain a little from the evening, I think.

Against the swoon he almost certainly took with Pussygate?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Against the swoon he almost certainly took with Pussygate?

Yes.

 

[deleted15807]

^ The polls will tell this week I suppose. A lot to digest.

And more possibly lined up...
Geraldo Rivera: ‘I have tapes’ of ‘embarrassing’ statements from Trump

 

[ActionBuddy]

... 63 percent thought Trump exceeded expectations; 21 percent thought he performed worse than they expected; and 15 percent thought he met expectations.
...
Trump is going to gain a little from the evening, I think.

I'm sorry to say, that I agree with the poll. I thought he came off as rather calm considering "Pussygate". Although he did what he could to change the subject, he never totally lost it like I was hoping he would.

A/B

 

[deleted15807]

I'm sorry to say, that I agree with the poll. I thought he came off as rather calm considering "Pussygate". Although he did what he could to change the subject, he never totally lost it like I was hoping he would.

A/B

No he didn't lose it. But still he did nothing to extend his support. Sniffing and glowering, Mr. Trump prowled behind Hillary. As if he was ready to body slam her. Then we're back to July in Cleveland, he's going to appoint a special prosecutor with a predetermined verdict and sentence apparently. This is not the whacko Republican base. And they aren't enough to win the election.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Yeah, what is up with all the sniffing? Same as in the first debate... My first impression was years of cocaine use, of course... Or, he's not getting much sleep and fighting off a cold. Funny, coming from the guy that tried to make such a big deal out of Clinton's short bout with pneumonia.

He did come off as menacing on stage, and defensive. But, I think his true supporters were happy with his performance.

A/B

 

[sudcalifornio]

I don't think this debate will change the election

 

[ActionBuddy]

^ I agree, and am very disappointed. I think the news of the "Pussygate" video on Friday did, though.

 

[Crimsonlurker]

I don't think this debate will change the election

Was just about to come into the thread to express how i thought clinton won this debate hands down and saw your comment. Ohhh i beg to differ. Trump and pence are going to have a fairly strange relationship after this one. So far trump has had a history of setting up and taking down the very people supporting him. One second they are the best people on the planet and the next he thinks they're lower than pond scum. I'm not all too sure but i don't think mike pence is as slow as say chris christy, ted cruz or the rest. Mike pence did a very good job of lying on trump's behalf and trump just tossed him out like stale bread. There has got to be some consequences for that. I don't know what they'll be but i'm sure they'll exist in some way.

I mean don't get me wrong. I don't like mike pence in any way shape or form but that was just savage. If people weren't turned off by everything else trump has said...which wow then i'm thinking understanding the very nature of how easily he tossed him might.


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But yeah i think hillary won in a landslide. Every point trump made either has or will backfire on him. He didn't do any research what so ever. Didn't prepare even after getting his ass handed to him in the first debate. Could not have cared less about his own vp. Kept attacking clinton on things that were already proven to be false or in general weren't as bad as he made it out to be. He didn't even fully understand some of the questions asked of him. He fell into every trap clinton created for him and generally had little clue how to judge the room.

On the other hand though i could say that clinton simply tried too hard. She was so invested in taking down trump, exposing him for what he is and displaying that she's one of us that it came off like she didn't think the american public was smart enough to get it. Which by many accounts so far is pretty accurate. So whatever points i would take off from her goes right back on.

They both lied at times but trump..........well just damn i've never seen someone lie so much in my entire life. At a certain point he lied about him lying about lying then lied again.

Again, how exactly do you throw you're own running mate into the sticks without even realizing it?

 

[dandelion]

I saw some of the debate, although admittedly half asleep at the time. I seem to have been left with the impression they are both awfully old. It was a slanging match of who can say the worst about their opponent and make the most fantastical best claims for themself. They both seemed tired and uninspiring.

The commentators seem to think trump did well, at least under the circumstances. But the uncertainty from the clairvoyants who predict the results (er, pollsters) seems to be they do not know who will win.

I think Trump will benefit in some quarters from the leaked recordings of him speaking. In some ways I was surprised he prevaricated instead of simply saying yes, so what? But I guess it is a question of trying to grab the more uncertain voters.

The lesson of Brexit was that saying the most fantastical things works.

I see that members of the republican party have started to defect from the Trump campaign. I seems Trump potentially could result in clean sweep of democrats throughout government. But the uncertainity in how people react still means the whole result of all three government elections could go either way. I predict more outsiders standing next time!

Would anyone want either of them?

. Every point trump made either has or will backfire on him. He didn't do any research what so ever. Didn't prepare even after getting his ass handed to him in the first debate.

I really dont think it matters.Trump is not standing as the expert on world affairs, but the complete antithesis of this. Thats his point, really, that he is not an expert politician. Some people will no doubt say the less he knows, the safer we all are. He is the f*** politicians and f*** political correctness candidate.