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No Presidential debate here. Loser vs Loser. = Loser.

Semi Final....Winner vs Winner...there has to be a winner.

There is no winner.

Politics in the rest of the world will take a very serious downturn if you elect a failed businessman as your President.

Yup, vote for an Idiot, hang on, is not the US sending troops, their young men to fight and be killed against despots, failed millionaires and idiots??????

Meanwhile......................China builds up it's Navy in the China sea.

So focussed you are on your own arsehole you are :).......
 
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yet oddly there has been a systematic fall in taxes on the rich over the last 40 odd years, whether democrat or republican or conservative or labour. Maybe the parties of the left do not cut taxes, but they fail to restore them when their turn in power arrives. it has been mainstream for quite some time.
Once again you show that you don't understand USA politics and are viewing it through the lens of the UK political system. There are no active "conservative" or "labour" parties. They do not have one elected official.For better or worse, The USA has 2 political parties who control the political system, Democratic and Republican.
 
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Once again you show that you don't understand USA politics and are viewing it through the lens of the UK political system. There are no active "conservative" or "labour" parties. They do not have one elected official.For better or worse, The USA has 2 political parties who control the political system, Democratic and Republican.

I believe he was saying that, over the last 40 years, taxes on the rich have been lowered in both the US and the UK.
 

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Sure, it worked out well for him (I guess?), but it was a bit of a bother for, oh, pretty everyone else in the world.
well yes, but how many people running for office truly care about the consequences for others? The point is why he might adopt a strategy of lying and telling people what they want to hear, because it works.
 
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Once again you show that you don't understand USA politics and are viewing it through the lens of the UK political system. There are no active "conservative" or "labour" parties. They do not have one elected official.For better or worse, The USA has 2 political parties who control the political system, Democratic and Republican.

I understand your system, I think :) :), yet me thinks you have not taken the time to understand ours. We in Australia borrowed a bit from you, and a bit from the UK. We have a Senate, and a house of Representatives. Yet we have a Governor General who abides by the Queen, as we belong to a Commonwealth.

Do you understand our politics. I understand your super delegates..etc...yet I do not. It does not seem very democratic to be secret in a political party, until the last moment when might seems to be right.

The republican party have submitted to Donald Trump. To me, they are weak. They have no wish for him to be leader or to win this election. They have given it over to the American people to decide for them, they are weak, and have no backbone as leaders, yet pushers.. The Republicans are gutless. It shows, for me anyway.

Even as an outsider who has keen interest in world politics.....even though I may come across as a cock at times. Trump, is dangerous. He has never shown a unique quality as a leader. His impression of success is to follow this ....$ ....Make your choice.
 
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Once again you show that you don't understand USA politics and are viewing it through the lens of the UK political system. There are no active "conservative" or "labour" parties. They do not have one elected official.For better or worse, The USA has 2 political parties who control the political system, Democratic and Republican.
I dont understand your post: in the Uk the two main parties are called labour and conservative and this to some degree reflects their origins, as with democrat and republican. But mostly they are two sides, one a bit more left, one a bit more right, whose main aim is to win. The US and Uk were both originally 3 part governments and both have blurred the original concepts. In the Uk there is only one election which matters, which is to the house of commons, which then elects its own nominee for prime minister. You make more of a mouthfull of it with three sets of elections. In the Uk the prime minister cannot rule without the support of the commons. In the US the president can rule to a degree without the support of congress, but is hamstrung with regard to changes to any existing legislation. Even in the Uk system a prime minister is subject to the whims of the commons, just that these are usually within his own party He or she is a figurehead and has to maintain support in the commons to make changes.
 
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That isnt realy true. Clinton had some considerable difficulty just because he had sex with someone. Will Trump change the constitution as Adolf did?

The US President can order a missile strike by his word alone. He or she need not consult with ANYONE to do it. There is no constitutional issue in doing so. Just as the president on his word alone can send troops into battle and begin a war without Congressional approval. Donald Trump could end civilization as we know it just on his voice.


What Exactly Would It Mean to Have Trump’s Finger on the Nuclear Button?

With a single phone call, the commander in chief has virtually unlimited power to rain down nuclear weapons on any adversarial regime and country at any time. You might imagine this awesome executive power would be hamstrung with checks and balances, but by law, custom and congressional deference there may be no responsibility where the president has more absolute control. There is no advice and consent by the Senate. There is no second-guessing by the Supreme Court.
Many people erroneously think there is a system of approvals that would have to occur before we end life on the planet. But there isn't. I repeat there isn't.
 
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I dont understand your post: in the Uk the two main parties are called labour and conservative and this to some degree reflects their origins, as with democrat and republican. But mostly they are two sides, one a bit more left, one a bit more right, whose main aim is to win. The US and Uk were both originally 3 part governments and both have blurred the original concepts. In the Uk there is only one election which matters, which is to the house of commons, which then elects its own nominee for prime minister. You make more of a mouthfull of it with three sets of elections. In the Uk the prime minister cannot rule without the support of the commons. In the US the president can rule to a degree without the support of congress, but is hamstrung with regard to changes to any existing legislation. Even in the Uk system a prime minister is subject to the whims of the commons, just that these are usually within his own party He or she is a figurehead and has to maintain support in the commons to make changes.
Apologies. I mis-read your post. I thought you were talking about the conservative and labour parties as US parties.
 

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The US President can order a missile strike by his word alone.
yes, i understand that. But he could also be impeached the day after if congress felt he had exceeded his authority (not to mention a crime against humanity). In the end it is a question of self interest which limits the presidents action. if the people agreed with him, then no doubt he would get a second term on public aclaim.

Apologies. I mis-read your post. I thought you were talking about the conservative and labour parties as US parties.
I wondered if maybe you thought that, because of the names. The labour party was created by the organised labour movement to represent it politically, and supplanted the liberals, which had been more of a middle class leftish sort of party compared to the conservative and unionists, who have always been toffs. Both sides have sought to capture the middle and have moved politically towards it. It is hard to tell how much people know about other systems when writing. Watching US TV series I get the impression US democrat and republican congressmen are rather more independent than is usually the case with the Uk parties, and possibly there is more scope to swing legislation by making deals with individuals even from the other side.
 
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yes, i understand that. But he could also be impeached the day after if congress felt he had exceeded his authority (not to mention a crime against humanity).

Are you expecting an irrational person to begin thinking rationally? If history is a guide the immediate knee jerk reaction, if humanity still exists, would be to rally around the President in our war against name-your-enemy.

Truman did not have to report back to or answer any authority on his decision. Nothing has changed since 1945 except now the bombs are way bigger and we have thousands more. And only 10 miniutes away from annihilation.
 
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The US President can order a missile strike by his word alone. He or she need not consult with ANYONE to do it. There is no constitutional issue in doing so. Just as the president on his word alone can send troops into battle and begin a war without Congressional approval. Donald Trump could end civilization as we know it just on his voice.

What Exactly Would It Mean to Have Trump’s Finger on the Nuclear Button?

With a single phone call, the commander in chief has virtually unlimited power to rain down nuclear weapons on any adversarial regime and country at any time. You might imagine this awesome executive power would be hamstrung with checks and balances, but by law, custom and congressional deference there may be no responsibility where the president has more absolute control. There is no advice and consent by the Senate. There is no second-guessing by the Supreme Court.
Many people erroneously think there is a system of approvals that would have to occur before we end life on the planet. But there isn't. I repeat there isn't.

Not to mention how trump has already talked about emptying out military spots and replacing them with people who are much more agreeable to his way of life. Which isn't all that far from him saying he'd attempt to do the same with congress and/or the supreme court. I'm guessing he would undoubtedly wipe as many forms of government and military as he could. Leaving only those with the same.....temperament.

Clearing even more room for him should he decide in favor of excessive force.
 
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yes, i understand that. But he could also be impeached the day after if congress felt he had exceeded his authority (not to mention a crime against humanity). In the end it is a question of self interest which limits the presidents action. if the people agreed with him, then no doubt he would get a second term on public aclaim.
Where in the rumble remaining from the nuclear counter-strike, do you envision the congressional proceedings taking place? I doubt that Presidential political self-interest would play much of a part in his or her's decision making process in the event of nuclear war. Even for Donald Trump.
 

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Watching US TV series I get the impression US democrat and republican congressmen are rather more independent than is usually the case with the Uk parties, and possibly there is more scope to swing legislation by making deals with individuals even from the other side.

I really know nothing about UK politics beyond the names of the parties. So I can't make comparisons.

As for the U.S., my impression is that most of the legislation that is passed at the federal level begins as a bipartisan effort. We don't hear about these much because political agreement doesn't drive the number of eyeballs on the media. I also suspect that individual members tend to work well together, irrespective of party, when the cameras are off. For example, if a minority member of a committee has a proposal for a bill, he or she would probably hand it over to a member of the majority party because the majority member can move it more easily. Then they'll take joint credit.

On the big ticket items, however, like "Obamacare," there's nearly universal party discipline.
 
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Not to mention how trump has already talked about emptying out military spots and replacing them with people who are much more agreeable to his way of life. Which isn't all that far from him saying he'd attempt to do the same with congress and/or the supreme court. I'm guessing he would undoubtedly wipe as many forms of government and military as he could. Leaving only those with the same.....temperament.

Clearing even more room for him should he decide in favor of excessive force.

He thinks he can simply fire anyone he doesn't like just like the reality show he starred in. He's made it very clear once he has the power he intends to go after that Donald Trump hater in Arizona you know the "Mexican judge" from Indiana. Or the generals that can't whip ISIS.

My stepmother actually changed from not voting at all to voting for Hillary just from watching the debate... Hillary must have done a pretty good job.

She gave him a real good beatdown. Of course it's pretty easy since he has no desire to do anything like practice for the debate or study the issues. Most days are spent admiring himself and the people that admire him. Takes up most of the day.
 

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Yes "she" is. "She" wakes up 3 o'clock in the morning to go on a twitter RANT against a former beauty contestant. How "presidential."

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...sgusting-in-early-morning-tweets-776881219615

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...m-to-attack-former-miss-universe-776882755526

I'm not sure why this doesn't LEAD every newscast. This man is seriously unbalanced. This has become so normalized they it's so not an issue. Just WOW. Then again I'll be accused of being in the tank with Hillary if I point this out
 

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As for the U.S., my impression is that most of the legislation that is passed at the federal level begins as a bipartisan effort.
I have never heard such a thing reported in the UK.
I also suspect that individual members tend to work well together, irrespective of party, when the cameras are off. For example, if a minority member of a committee has a proposal for a bill, he or she would probably hand it over to a member of the majority party because the majority member can move it more easily. Then they'll take joint credit.
In the Uk there is no 'author credit' to a bill. It is either a government bill or an opposition bill. parliamentary time is allocated by the government, which gives most to its own bills, and a little to the opposition to allocate for their own purposes. A tiny amount of time is available for backbenchers of any party to propose something themselves and there is an annual ballot. A very few short laws may pass this way, provided there is virtually no opposition from anyone. Again it sounds to me as if the US is much more person centred and less party centred.

The commons has a number for committees which investigate things, including to an extent how the government is doing. these are stacked with a government majority and tend to agree with the government, but not always. However, they are unlikely to accomplish much in terms of creating or originating laws. There are civil service committees which plod along making suggestions for reform of laws in the background.

A significant volume of time is occupied rubber stamping or customising legislation which has arisen at the EU level. In this respect, I suspect MPs are conscious of an endless stream of regulations they have to vote on and pass, which are occupying their time, which come from the EU. maybe they wanted to leave the EU because they resented this. As a process it hardly ever comes to public attention.

On the big ticket items, however, like "Obamacare," there's nearly universal party discipline.
Very few matters in the Uk are not 'whipped' with the parties expressing an official view for everyone to follow. The commons has around 100 /650 members not from the two main parties but mainly these are regional parties, the biggest chunk being Scottish nationalists. UK government is essentially 'winner takes all', majority of 1 in the commons decides anything. A government which cannot maintain a constant majority normall falls, so governments seldom bother negotiating with the opposition which will automatically vote against them.

Where in the rumble remaining from the nuclear counter-strike, do you envision the congressional proceedings taking place?
Can't speak for the US, but no one in the Uk believes a Trump president would actually cause a nuclear war. If anyone here is upset about nuclear war, it is the right wing conservatives objecting that the current leader of the Labour party might refuse to permit a nuclear strike on someone were he to become PM. Techically, control of the army rests under the monarch as do many powers. However all of these are exercised in practice by ministers appointed by the monarch following the instructions of the prime minister. The monarch can technically name anyone she pleases as prime minister, but has chosen not to do so for a very long time. We do have a history of disposing of uncooperative monarchs.
 
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