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I know americans are controlled with the media and their useful shows kardashians, mtv... but come on they are not that stupid

I happen to think he has a pretty good shot too, in part because too many people seem to think he HASN'T... some of the same ones who thought he'd never win the GOP nomination.

One of the biggest mistakes those opposed to Trump can make this election is buying into the notion that he "hasn't a shot."
 
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I happen to think he has a pretty good shot too, in part because too many people seem to think he HASN'T... some of the same ones who thought he'd never win the GOP nomination.

Now you're sounding like Trump reading unscientific online polls like Fox and Drudge that declared him the winner of the debate. Fivethirtyeight and NYTimes Forecast are both circa 70% for Hillary. All Hillary has to do is get out of the way as Trump implodes. If the tax bomb hasn't sealed his fate and I do believe it has the next debate surely will. No one will even bother to tune into the third and final blow.
 

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Now you're sounding like Trump reading unscientific online polls like Fox and Drudge that declared him the winner of the debate. Fivethirtyeight and NYTimes Forecast are both circa 70% for Hillary. All Hillary has to do is get out of the way as Trump implodes. If the tax bomb hasn't sealed his fate and I do believe it has the next debate surely will. No one will even bother to tune into the third and final blow.

Actually, I really look forward to watching the next "debate"... I think it will be hilarious.
 
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Now you're sounding like Trump reading unscientific online polls like Fox and Drudge that declared him the winner of the debate. Fivethirtyeight and NYTimes Forecast are both circa 70% for Hillary. All Hillary has to do is get out of the way as Trump implodes. If the tax bomb hasn't sealed his fate and I do believe it has the next debate surely will. No one will even bother to tune into the third and final blow.

Well hopefully you're right, but, as I said several times before, I'm more in favor of being vigilant, even if to the point of overly cautious, than being confident and letting down one's guard. In effect, assuring he hasn't a shot by presuming he DOES.

That comes NOT from polls (online or otherwise) that favor Trump, but from knowing that Trump has defied the polls before, and that his constituency, indeed conservatives in general, usually demonstrate greater zeal (i.e. TURNOUT) in support of their candidates than do Democrats, especially in these last congressional elections.

I look at the fact that a guy who shouldn't even BE in the running for the presidency is practically dead even with Hillary in some states, and I also look at poll results in ways that maybe others DON'T.


Example, various polls have viewers saying Hillary won the debate by 51-54 percent (I think CNN had it in the low 60's) while those saying Trump won were in the 20's. What that tells ME is that close to half the viewers either: a) think Trump won, b) don't think that Hillary won, or c) for whatever reason, won't SAY.

Add to that a lot of young people who (like some interviewed on this evening's newscast) say something like, "I don't like the things Trump says, BUT......."

It's a kind of pessimistic, glass half empty approach, I know, but I prefer it to sitting around the day after going, "Wtf just happened?"

Needless to say, I'd be DELIGHTED to be proven WRONG.
 
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Well hopefully you're right, but, as I said several times before, I'm more in favor of being vigilant, even if to the point of overly cautious, than being confident and letting down one's guard. In effect, assuring he hasn't a shot by presuming he DOES.

That comes NOT from polls (online or otherwise) that favor Trump, but from knowing that Trump has defied the polls before, and that his constituency, indeed conservatives in general, usually demonstrate greater zeal (i.e. TURNOUT) in support of their candidates than do Democrats, especially in these last congressional elections.

I look at the fact that a guy who shouldn't even BE in the running for the presidency is practically dead even with Hillary in some states, and I also look at poll results in ways that maybe others DON'T.


Example, various polls have viewers saying Hillary won the debate by 51-54 percent (I think CNN had it in the low 60's) while those saying Trump won were in the 20's. What that tells ME is that close to half the viewers either: a) think Trump won, b) don't think that Hillary won, or c) for whatever reason, won't SAY.

Add to that a lot of young people who (like some interviewed on this evening's newscast) say something like, "I don't like the things Trump says, BUT......."

It's a kind of pessimistic, glass half empty approach, I know, but I prefer it to sitting around the day after going, "Wtf just happened?"

Needless to say, I'd be DELIGHTED to be proven WRONG.

Have to be very careful what polls. Trumpsters fanned out in force post-debate trolling and pushing up the numbers for the unscientific polls.

No, Donald Trump Didn't Win Post-Debate Polls

They tried to pull a similar thing with Romney when they claimed the polls were skewed democrat and they needed to "unskew" them. Well of course the truth is they weren't skewed.

Election Update: How Big Is Hillary Clinton’s Lead?


That said yes anything can happen. We are still 5 weeks away. However Trump is truely deranged and the more he sinks the more desperate he becomes. He hates women and minorities and is losing them big. I really don't know how he could turn that around. The more he needs them the more he despises needing them and that comes through loud and clear.
 
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USA's economy is going up, i would like to hear ideas to make this economy booming and go into a prosperity

Well according to what Trump said in the last debate (the person who reportedly paid nothing in personal taxes over the last ten years) that'd start with a 15% reduction in taxes to businesses and corporations. Yeah, that'll fix it.

 

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Very very curious what polls point to a win?
The trouble with polls is that they do not go out and ask everyone their opinion. Instead they ask a very small proportion of the voters, but carefully chosen to represent the sort of people who vote one way and the other. the trouble is, what sort of person votes trump and what sort against Trump? how do you choose sample groups which are accurate? Errors in their predictions could be way higher than usual because this is not a usual choice.

As I mentioned before, here is a BBC news report of the VP debate, with the headline '
Trump 'fool' and Clinton 'weak', say VPs' The reason people believe all politicians are utterly unworthy of election is because those same poiliticans tell us so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37558725
 

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I happen to think he has a pretty good shot too, in part because too many people seem to think he HASN'T... some of the same ones who thought he'd never win the GOP nomination.

One of the biggest mistakes those opposed to Trump can make this election is buying into the notion that he "hasn't a shot."

I agree but i think that ship has sailed. Sadly not because of what hillary, her supporters, bernie or anyone has done. Trump tanked his own chances. I say tanked now because i highly doubt he'll be able to rebound from the massive amount of people he's pissed off at this point. Had he stopped at insulting POW's, women, minorities, mexicans and literally talking about killing innocent people he would have had a chance.

I could very well still be mistaken here but i highly doubt with the amount of ammo he alone has given hillary clinton that he has a chance now. After watching mike pence just buckle under the weight of his running mate and only have blatant easily fact checkable lies to toss out i'm thinking the game is over with.

The guy has done the opposite of every republican before him. Going against patriotism, veterans, the military and etc. The only people he may have left on his side are police forces, straight white males, women who don't care about their own rights, conspiracy theorists, racists, sexists and umm people looking for a handout. The only way he's making the distance is if the american public at large just blanks out on the last year or so right before the election. That or if clinton or kaine kicks a puppy on live tv for no reason.

Sure, kaine was a bit aggressive but anyone tossing that out has to immediately answer for trump's behavior at the first debate. So yeah i highly doubt trump will be able to keep himself from shooting himself in the foot even more than he already has. Thats just me though, if i had typed this up about a month ago i would have agreed. Now though, well trumps ego just cannot deal with a woman who knows her shit. Not only that but he's not use to losing so openly and honestly. He doesn't, hasn't and never will deal with humiliation very well. And this last month or so has kicked him right in his hands. :p
 
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I agree but i think that ship has sailed. Sadly not because of what hillary, her supporters, bernie or anyone has done. Trump tanked his own chances. I say tanked now because i highly doubt he'll be able to rebound from the massive amount of people he's pissed off at this point. Had he stopped at insulting POW's, women, minorities, mexicans and literally talking about killing innocent people he would have had a chance.

That's what I've been saying. Bill O'Reilly said after Obama won his 2nd term:

“The white establishment is now the minority,” O'Reilly said. “And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama's way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”

Granted the media (Reich Wing and their liberal enablers) have helped to paint Hillary and Bill as walking subhumans and most voters have bought into the myth that Hillary is just as bad as Trump which has helped to make this a "tight race" when there really is no comparison between the two. Only when you leave the country do you find out how the world views Trump and Hillary outside the giant American infotainment news complex.
 

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That's what I've been saying. Bill O'Reilly said after Obama won his 2nd term:

“The white establishment is now the minority,” O'Reilly said. “And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama's way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”

Granted the media (Reich Wing and their liberal enablers) have helped to paint Hillary and Bill as walking subhumans and most voters have bought into the myth that Hillary is just as bad as Trump which has helped to make this a "tight race" when there really is no comparison between the two. Only when you leave the country do you find out how the world views Trump and Hillary outside the giant American infotainment news complex.

I agree but i'm not too sure how much blame can be levied at the media in this sort of situation. Trump makes it very easy to despise him and hillary didn't exactly hit hard with her accomplishments until the 11th hour along with tim kaine. I'm guessing maybe she thought she didn't have to seeing as how trump really is so down right detestable. Then again the media did attempt to squeeze out as much money out of this veritable shit show as they could.

Politics is usually a dirty game but this election has by far been amazingly dirty and more than a little sad. At the same time, most of the mud slinging, outright lies and fantastical bullshit has came directly from trump himself. He knows how to pull in a crowd. So i don't know if the media even had much of a choice here. Not talking about the higher ups here. I would imagine theres a whole gaggle of people who would very much like never hearing from trump again but know that their jobs are on the line. As well as money.

The moderators for these debates seem usually to have little or no power to actually do anything but suggest that maybe the candidates should focus on the issues or be respectful. And even then they'll be labeled bias or on someone's side. A pretty difficult spot to be in given that they may have higher ups breathing down their necks and the american people in general all but ready to skewer them if their fav candidate doesn't present themselves in a certain way.

So i don't know how much blame can really be on the media in general. I mean if it weren't for those who voted for the guy or those who believed in the narrative of them being the same he never would have gotten this far. Which i'm thinking is the bigger problem. How easily swayed some people in general are.

Only so much blame can go to clinton though. She was constantly busy fighting off waves of rabid republicans out to tank her by any and all means necessary.
 
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I agree but i'm not too sure how much blame can be levied at the media in this sort of situation. Trump makes it very easy to despise him and hillary didn't exactly hit hard with her accomplishments until the 11th hour along with tim kaine. I'm guessing maybe she thought she didn't have to seeing as how trump really is so down right detestable. Then again the media did attempt to squeeze out as much money out of this veritable shit show as they could.

Politics is usually a dirty game but this election has by far been amazingly dirty and more than a little sad. At the same time, most of the mud slinging, outright lies and fantastical bullshit has came directly from trump himself. He knows how to pull in a crowd. So i don't know if the media even had much of a choice here. Not talking about the higher ups here. I would imagine theres a whole gaggle of people who would very much like never hearing from trump again but know that their jobs are on the line. As well as money.

The moderators for these debates seem usually to have little or no power to actually do anything but suggest that maybe the candidates should focus on the issues or be respectful. And even then they'll be labeled bias or on someone's side. A pretty difficult spot to be in given that they may have higher ups breathing down their necks and the american people in general all but ready to skewer them if their fav candidate doesn't present themselves in a certain way.

So i don't know how much blame can really be on the media in general. I mean if it weren't for those who voted for the guy or those who believed in the narrative of them being the same he never would have gotten this far. Which i'm thinking is the bigger problem. How easily swayed some people in general are.

Only so much blame can go to clinton though. She was constantly busy fighting off waves of rabid republicans out to tank her by any and all means necessary.

I agree there are many factors however FoxFauxFixed News has been making the electorate dumber and dumber and legitimizing know-nothingness now for 20 years now. And all that hard "work" at dumbing down and tarting up the news has cumulated with the prototype VP Sarah Palin and then rolled out the first model with Presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
What you know depends on what you watch: Current events knowledge across popular news sources <--- do note in this study watching no news at all and you come out smarter than watching Fox.

Every Republican know-nothing knows if you want soft-ball questions and lapdog interviews restrict yourself to Fox "News". Just turn on your conservative bullshit generator. You load it up and we'll spit it out. Fox News at it's perch over cable news for the last 20 years have forced every other nature to adapt to it's showbiz infotainment style with the heart of the organization not journalism and a public duty but a duty to the shareholders only. The results are in the public no longer at least a bit swath knows how to be critical and ask questions.



Vomit inducing Fox: Donald Trump: A President for All Americans


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I agree there are many factors however FoxFauxFixed News has been making the electorate dumber and dumber and legitimizing know-nothingness now for 20 years now. And all that hard "work" at dumbing down and tarting up the news has cumulated with the prototype VP Sarah Palin and then rolled out the first model with Presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
What you know depends on what you watch: Current events knowledge across popular news sources <--- do note in this study watching no news at all and you come out smarter than watching Fox.

Every Republican know-nothing knows if you want soft-ball questions and lapdog interviews restrict yourself to Fox "News". Just turn on your conservative bullshit generator. You load it up and we'll spit it out. Fox News at it's perch over cable news for the last 20 years have forced every other nature to adapt to it's showbiz infotainment style with the heart of the organization not journalism and a public duty but a duty to the shareholders only. The results are in the public no longer at least a bit swath knows how to be critical and ask questions.



Vomit inducing Fox: Donald Trump: A President for All Americans


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Oh i agree. I wasn't including them in my i don't know how much blame thing. Still though, if there weren't people not only watching but not asking simple questions and not following like rabid dogs fox wouldn't be where it is now. That responsibility lies mostly with those who cut off all other information or who think fox news is in any way fair or balanced. Sure, fox and those who profit from it are making sure just about anyone who follows them has an iq of a wallnut but these people are falling over each other for the privilege of being lied to. Same with trump, the fact that he has or had any support means theres a certain amount of americans out there who will not only fall for just about anything but go looking for it.
 
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