President's Vacation

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  1. B_lrgeggs

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    Does anyone know if it's custom for the President and the First Lady to fly
    separately. I can understand the security reasons for doing so and would think that it's a legitimate expense. But if that's not the custom then I can
    appreciate the administration being called to the carpet on that. Does anyone have the skinny on this? Thanks
     
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    Living the high life...on our dime.
     
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    Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record


    WACO, Tex., Aug. 2 -- President Bush is getting the kind of break most Americans can only dream of -- nearly five weeks away from the office, loaded with vacation time.

    The president departed Tuesday for his longest stretch yet away from the White House, arriving at his Crawford ranch in the evening to clear brush, visit with family and friends, and tend to some outside-the-Beltway politics. By historical standards, it is the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years.
     
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    COLUMN: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

    President Bush recently spent his 879th day at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, since the Supreme Court, in all its great wisdom, elevated him to the presidency. This according to NPR's "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me," which noted that Bush broke former President Reagan's record for taking vacations from the White House.rIt's interesting to recall, all these wild years later, that George W. Bush did not decide to buy the ranch near Crawford until after he decided to run for president. Apparently, after Ronald Reagan's example, it seemed presidential to cut brush on a ranch, and Bush was seeking a brush with history. Or something.
     
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    This is the wrong time for a vacation...the stock market and economy are teetering...he could've put the vacation off for a few weeks...and what was he doing last week? Campaigning :(
     
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    The stock market? Really? The stock market? What should he do? Hold their hands on Wall Street?
     
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    Isn't Congress on vacation too? I think they should all get their asses back to work but to pretend that this is somehow unheard of or unseemly behavior for this President is silly inflation of a non-issue. This is how it's done. This is how it has always been done. George W Bush took plenty of vacations, as did Bill Clinton, as did Bush I, etc. And I'm sure during the times they were on away from the Oval Office there were issues of national if not global importance going on.

    But it's not like they locked themselves away, deep underground, and had no contact with the outside world. They get briefings and memos, updates, and information while on vacation the same way as anyone else would. You think because he's at Maratha's Vineyard with his family he can't take a phone call or get a fax?

    This is just one more thing that gets inflated beyond the point anybody should give a damn.



    JSZ
     
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    The job never leaves the president. It goes with him, whether he's on AF1 or flying into the middle of Africa. The pres can do everything his job requires wherever he goes. This is just one more chance to bash Pres. Obama for anything and everything.
     
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    There is nothing in the world that manadates the Prez and his wife travel separately. It's just another "perk" they are using. To be fair, I don't begrudge them a vacation, its not like the Prez goes completely off duty, but this wasting of taxpayer monies in hard times is just wrong.

    She left for a scheduled vacation to Hawaii and traveled separately in December... again, costing taxpayers thousands of dollars. Mrs. Obama’s Separate Hawaii Travel Likely Costs at Least $63,000 | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier

    Let's not forget the vacationing in Spain, and while the White House claims not to have paid for "personal" expenses, she nevertheless had no problem spending thousands of our dollars for her staffers, the Secret Service security detail and the flight... on an Air Force plane. (Not to mention feeding and housing her staffers and the SS.)

    "According to CBS News, the tax dollar part of the vacation include an estimated $146,000 round-trip cost for the U.S. Air Force 757 aircraft, not counting ground time; about $95,000 in hotel costs for an estimated 70 security personnel -- Secret Service and military -- who get a $273-a-day government per diem, plus costs for the dozen or so cars in her motorcade. I'm told that three shifts of agents are needed for a trip of this magnitude."

    Michelle Obama's Lavish Spain Vacation Sparking Criticism

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    As much as I would agree that these travel costs are on a level nearing lunar orbit, numerous Presidential vacations and times away from the WH has for many decades cost taxpayers incredible sums of money.

    Richard Nixon's "Western White House" in San Clemente California was, at the expense of the taxpayer upgraded for security well into seven figures. That did not include the staff when he and Pat were at that location.

    Ronald Reagan was a security Nightmare in that it required an incredible number of people to make the Reagan Ranch secure. Throughout the Presidency Nancy Reagan traveled separately most of the time. She was often even in a second fully secured and different limousine from the President. The difference was that Ronald Reagan could do no wrong and BHO in the eyes of a few vocal individuals can do no right even if he does the same thing.

    On this sort of thing there are stories going back before Lyndon Johnson in the mid 1960's and the problems provided by his "flock of Birds" with their Corvettes and other things were incredible headaches.

    Right now, we have one of the youngest Presidents in U.S. History. He has two very young daughters and a young wife all of which could be targeted. Separate travel especially based on some of the Middle Eastern issues and possible attempts on his life or those of his wife and children may justify this. Our problem is that as U.S. citizens they will never tell us if there is a classfied or security reason for this. Everything on this because of Presidential Security and that of the "First Lady" and daughters will remain unsaid until his memoirs are written and released many years from now.
     
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    The people of the "Greatest Nation" have become this cheap that they are whining about their President's travel costs? Impressive.

    The SS pretty much dictates the travel arrangements I think.
     
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    What isn't being called to the carpet by conservatives on this administration? Seriously? I ask you, what hasn't the President been attacked for?

    He is the President of the US and if you have a problem with how he and his family travel, you are being so petty..so very very petty and unAmerican.
     
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    When it costs more than the average Americans salary, then yes, it is cause for something to be said. Whether it's Obama or Bush
     
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    When has a leader not travelled complete with staff and security at enormous expense. If the president just travelled alone, completely aside from how long he would stay alive, what impression would it give of the US?
     
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    It's just another 'faux issue' designed to keep the rabid knuckle drgger Republican 'base' angry. Anger and rage is the only emotion they can pedal and it works. Facts like thanks to Bush we're in the hole for $3 trillion dollars for Iraq mean nothing to them. No outrage there. War is good. Killing is good (except fetuses) and as long as the state can do it. Taxes are bad except taxes used to kill and punish people we don't like.
     
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    Presidents really shouldn't vacation often like Bush and Obama, it looks bad.
     
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    Always......maybe it's best for him to get away on avacation rather then visiting other countries and giving away billions, this way it's only costing us million/s. him staying in the white hasn't done any good either.
     
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    unlike Bush, who spent hundreds of days at his ranch in Texas, Obama rarely goes on vacation. and it is a working vacation at that, unlike Bush. Obama needs time away from the White house to focus on his jobs/deficit program , due in early september. congress is on a break until after labor day anyway, and they show no interest in returning early. it was hard enough to get them to come back to reemploy the 4, 000 FAA employees in early august temporarily untill mid September. why? The GOP , in one of its endless tantrums against structural investment in our nation, doesnt want ANY airport improvements, unless it is private money for their corporate jet owners.
     
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    Once again conservatives giddy to attack the evil man in the white house have simply abandoned reality and logic and opted to push bullshit in place.

    the secret service is the primary reason for the separate travel arrangement's. the argument is that due to the presidents elevated risk of being assassinated the pres and first lady need to be moved separately for most public events. this is customary so in the event that the pres is killed the first lady can lend legitimacy to the VP. The god of the Republican party added this to the continuity of government plan.
     
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    No, we are not cheap and before I go any further this is not a "bash Obama" post he just happens to be the one occupying the White House at the time.

    As it has already been said this has been going on for years by both sides of the fence so I don't think that either side has much room for complaining or finger pointing.

    I think what is at the back of this is our country is in the worst shape it has ever been in since the 30's and we the tax payer are growing\grown tired of our elected officals on all levels wasting our tax dollars so they can live like kings and queens while the people that put them in office don't know one day from the next if they are going to have a job, a place to live or food to eat. People are hurting and scared yet our elected officals go on like nothing is wrong and to them I guess there isn't since they make sure they have theirs.

    I think it is high time that they do what they are elected and overpaid to do and this want happen while hob-knobbing with the rich in some other country or knocking the ball around on the golf course.
     
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