Primarily for other African-Americans, but input from others welcome...

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trikdassisstem said:
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Maybe you should'nt expect so much from White People who have not had the benefit of considerable exposure to African-Americans. You really should'nt invest your energy into TEACHING these White People how hurtful
such reactions are. SIMPLY DEAL WITH THOSE WHO DO BETTER BECAUSE THEY KNOW BETTER.

How else are they going to know. You do not encounter ignorance and simply let it go about its business. Ignorance is dangerous. Ignorance has murdered our people, and many others in the past. It is the responsibility of anyone who posesses any truth to pass it on. Ignoring ignorance? Look at those two words next to each other. It's just plain irresponsible.
 

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BronxBombshell said:
How else are they going to know. You do not encounter ignorance and simply let it go about its business. Ignorance is dangerous. Ignorance has murdered our people, and many others in the past. It is the responsibility of anyone who posesses any truth to pass it on. Ignoring ignorance? Look at those two words next to each other. It's just plain irresponsible.


you're absolutely right, Bronxie...

although I wonder - such a statement of an American citizen? AMAZING... :rolleyes:
 

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trikdassisstem said:
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Maybe you should'nt expect so much from White People who have not had the benefit of considerable exposure to African-Americans. You really should'nt invest your energy into TEACHING these White People how hurtful
such reactions are. SIMPLY DEAL WITH THOSE WHO DO BETTER BECAUSE THEY KNOW BETTER.

I had to read this a few times, but I think I have an idea where you're coming from, and I'm sorry about whatever past pain put you there.

I agree about 'deal with those who do better because they know better', but I have to play Devil's advocate and ask you: If we don't educate, who will? If we give up on changing opinions too soon, we will never see progress. We've proven too many times that we are strong enough to survive what is thrown at us, if we focus our will.

I don't want to get too far from the original point, but this is important as well; I'm just not sure this forum is the proper arena for such discourse.
 

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naughty said:
Hi ,

I just uploaded a little video that should add some levity to this thread... go to my gallery....

Naughty
Gotta love the commercials that mock other races in a "tongue in cheek" effort to mask whitey's hatred for the black man, who is God. In the white community this has become a way of life. It's a newfound fickle interest to the niggers.

Two thumbs down.
 

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search4bp said:
you're absolutely right, Bronxie...

although I wonder - such a statement of an American citizen? AMAZING... :rolleyes:
Ya know what though, we really didn't have too much of a say in the presidency.

._.;

I voted, but unfortunately everyone who dislikes the president did not vote and so we who voted against are stuck with him...I question how representative our government is at times. :biggrin1:
 

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BronxBombshell said:
We're not all stupid. Also, America does not hold the patent on stupidity.

*sigh* ... I wish I held the patent on it, then I could make a shit load of money :rolleyes:
 

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wristthickxl said:
Inkubus,

I strongly recommend the following book. It's all about the expectations on African-American men that they be hugely hung. It's a good read.....

Hung : A Meditation on the Measure of Black Men in America (Hardcover)
by Scott Poulson-Bryant

It just came out a few months ago and is all about what you are struggling with.

One of my my closet friends is a black Dutch guy and he is not as well hung as I am and he often jokes that he wishes he could just borrow my dick for the night to match people's - especially American guys' - expectations.

So I've heard first-hand the kind of pressure you are talking about...

One thing that the book's author writes about frequently is how gay men often say " what a big, beautiful black dick" whereas they never say "what a big beautiful white cock."....

THe latter I have heard from a few African-American men (a couple of times I suspect as a joke)..but he's right: I hear "huge dick" or "great dick" or "enormous dick" but the color of my skin is never mentioned.....Gives one pause for thought

Can it be mostly an American expectation ?

I can be wrong but never in my own culture heard that black men are suppose to be big...
 

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Those of us who grew up in the USA of the 1950's and 60's were inundated with messages on TV and radio and elsewhere in the media that said essentially:BIGGER IS BETTER. This extended to meals, cars, houses, furniture, vacations and you name it.

How many of you have seen the wonderful independent movie that blasts the evils of fast food called: "SUPERSIZE ME"? another example of our desire for size. It is a USA cultural phenomenon, and it does not make us look good to the rest of the world.

As much as i enjoy my large penis, and as much as i enjoy other men's large peens,
our obsession with size has damaged our image around the world. yes, even in Iraq.

i say to my African -American male friends on this site: Only integration and education will kill the stereotype. As a Latino, I too have stereotypes i must constantly battle. As a gay man, i have other stereotypes i must battle. Again, integration and education will conquer myth and superstition.
 

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Cruztbone: Yeah, "Supersize Me" does a good job revealing the obesity epidemic in America. As a country, we are one of the world's super-powers, and what do we do with our wealth and power? Eat ourselves stupid and obsess about appearance. I can see why some countries see America as sort of an antagonist to rest of the world. I still think that America is one of the greatest countries in the world, but I'm not afraid to be the first to admit that we have our flaws. All we can do as individuals is attempt to squash ignorance and do our parts to educate. Not being part of the problem is not good enough. It is our moral responsibility to be part of the solution. And on that note...

Inkubus: As the signature indicates, I am Asian. Being Korean (something that I am quite proud of), I have encountered similar bouts of ignorance. However, I'm on the other end of the stereotype spectrum. On mulitple occasions, I have had belligerent guys deride me because I have a "tiny dick." They have never seen my penis, but feel that they have the right to stereotype me simply because I am Asian. Its ignorance, plain and simple. Although I will do my best to share what little knowledge I have to those who are willing to listen, there will always be bigots. These people are not worth our time. If someone was narrow-minded enough to initially stereotype you, then reject you because you did not match that stereotype, they are not worth your time. Eventually, as more and more people become educated, these bigots will begin to realize that they are greatly outnumbered by all of the people that they stereotype. Hopefully, by this point, they will realize the err of their ways. Until then, all we can do is continue to educate ourselves, and spread the learning.
(Sorry for the long rant, guys!)
Cheers! :biggrin1:

~LPD
 

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I don't know where she is from, but in most of the Latin countries we will consider the people to be Latino or Black. Or by some "Blactino" or "Blatino"...but I digress.

For some reason in America, unless you are from Britain, maybe Germany, Australia, or USA, you are not "white".

...Crazy right? Even though most of the people in the United States have lineage of immigrants from other countries. It is a very common stipulation that you must be from one of those places to be considered "white". Of course some may argue that one standardized tests unless you are Black, Native American, Asian, or Hispanic you must check White for race. Well, I just wanna let you know anyone can check anything for race. In fact, I know on multiple occasians where people who were darker than me put "White" on those tests. Multiple Occasians.

This comes down to the "funny" determinations of "race" that we have. Race, as it stands, is manmade construct for determining one's lineage or place of origin. Which is why someone can be Italian and yet not considered "White". Or someone who is from Brazil, where I hear they consider themselves "white", will be seen as "Hispanic".

And how does that place those of us with mixed heritage? Can't we all just be people. Though you probably can't tell from looking at me I'm Ger(man)bla(ck)native American. Am I supposed to walk around saying I'm Gerblanative American everytime I talk to someone? Who needs to be defined by their race? Why must we be given worth or value because of what race we are.
 

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BronxBombshell said:
Where you are from, a lot of the people we consider black, or latino, consider themselves white.

I'm brazilian mix with italian, portuguese & black - im not white in anglo countries but can be in parts of my own country.

Im brown hate the term "olive skin" because for me an olive is green the same as an "allien" before my status changes...i am no alien too ! :biggrin1:
 

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BronxBombshell said:
Where you are from, a lot of the people we consider black, or latino, consider themselves white.

Another thing BB,

I've always consider myself beautiful no matter what but when living in England, because i can look like west indi, arabic, italian, spanish, mexican etc...i felt some prejudice too because i look like the people from the dark colonies, but nothing, nothing like the south of the USA. Man its terrible the situation there still - for blacks or latinos or dark people.

:mad: I just hate some states in particular and some people from the south.
 

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Well two things here.

1) The South isn't ALL bad. The South is merely where you'll find the most openness on the evidence of racism.

2) The North isn't ALL good. Sometimes you can find more racist people in the North than you do in the South and I have seen it first hand on numerous occasians.

Racism isn't always blatant and more often than not, is institutionalized.
 

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I'm talking about the south because never ever experience the kind of stuff i experience there in the north of the US...or in others parts of the world that i have been.

For sure prejudice and racism are all over but my own worse experiences were in the south of the USA. Its not rudenes or lack of education or good manners because i can deal with that and can choose to ignore - its just plain hate. i could feel that.

I'm not shy and not scare of confrontations but was atonished for what found there & being there a while everytime had the oportunity ask black americans (most from the north) if i was crazy or they felt the same as i did about it because maybe their experience was different than mine (they are black americans they "belong here", they are not foreigners speaking with an accent ) & all the ones i ask said: yes!

For sure i dont know everything about the american experience and ways but i know what i live in my own skin here.
 

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I'm white Canadian and I can tell you that statement about the NORTH is true here.

"Polite" hidden racism is probably ultimately worse than the in-your-face kind. At least you know where you stand with the overt kind and can possibly do something with it. How do you battle a phantom?

I know a lot of people who are hypocrites and keep their ugly opinions carefully hidden. They reveal themselves inevitably.

My wife is Asian, and we have a daughter, so I'm more sensitive to my wife's perceptions.
 

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Well, there is evidence (however slight or questionable) that the various races and/or linguistic groups are gradually assimilating each others' lifestyles and culture, due to greater contact via the internet, the media (t.v., movies, arts, music) etc. Whether the things being assimilated are the best characteristics of each culture remains to be seen, but it is happening.

Case in point: A country music video I saw last night called "Honky Tonk Badonka" or something like that. I don't t know the artist's name (I'm not into country and western, nor hip hop or rap, for that matter), but it was the oddest thing I've seen in awhile. That's because even tho it was a c & w song, and the setting in a country dance hall (i don't know what such a place is called), the gestures of the singer, the way the video was produced, and everything else about it looked just like a hip hop video.

There were the low camera angles with the singer leaning down in your face, the gestures and symbols with the fingers, the body posturing, the obligatory close up ass shots of women dancing... the singer even had "bling" on his fingers in the form of rings which read "honky tonk". Aside from the cowboy hat and tight jeans, one would've thought one was watching a hip hop artist.

I don't know, maybe i missed the point. Maybe the video was supposed to be parody or satire. But there are other signs as well, in the way people of all races use the language, in the terms used, in the music, in the gestures used, in the way many carry themselves. The culture is changing.

We're obviously having an influence on each other, be it for better or worse.