Primary political identity

Which of these political ideology labels most closely fits your sense of your views?

  • Centrist

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • Libertarian

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • Nationalist

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Socialist

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
    15

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Pick the label that most fits with your sense of the whole of your political views.

I tried to boil it down to as few umbrella groups as possible. If what you primarily identify with isn't any of these six, try to pick the closest one.

Examples of associating other ideologies with these options:
-If you're a communist, choose the socialist option.
-If you're anarcho-capitalist, choose the libertarian option.
-If you're a fascist, choose the nationalist option.
-If you identify as progressive, try to choose between liberal (progressive/social liberal) or socialist (democratic socialist).

Centrist option is for those who see themselves as shunning ideology and just advocating what is pragmatic.

If still unsure, go ahead and ask in a post.
 
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Pick the label that most fits with your sense of the whole of your political views.

I tried to boil it down to as few umbrella groups as possible. If what you primarily identify with isn't any of these six, try to pick the closest one.

Examples of associating other ideologies with these options:
-If you're a communist, choose the socialist option.
-If you're anarcho-capitalist, choose the libertarian option.
-If you're a fascist, choose the nationalist option.
-If you identify as progressive, try to choose between liberal (progressive/social liberal) or socialist (democratic socialist).

Centrist option is for those who see themselves as shunning ideology and just advocating what is pragmatic.

If still unsure, go ahead and ask in a post.

Not to be a contrarian, but I'm leaning towards the rejecting of labels. I try to consider each political issue individually and solutions on their merits. I think on a per issue basis, most of my solutions would get labelled as centrist, liberal, or socialist. But there's a few outliers (I'm more libertarian in my attitudes towards free speech). I don't subscribe to one ideology that I think would best solve all our issues in the way that Democratic Socialism works for Norwegian countries for example.
 
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I have always rejected this "I'm a -------- " bullshit

I have always said that you are who you vote for

If you always vote by more than 60/40 D over R then you are a Democrat and if you always vote or R over D then you are a Republican

Most people who these days claim they are "independents" are just Republicans who no longer want to admit that
 
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While qualifying Fascism proper is more conceptually complex, most basically being more fascist than not would be qualified by believing that the collective interests of the nation are more important than the interests of individuals, and that those collective interests are most effectively actualized by a populist State that regulates all aspects of the life of the nation.

Certainly not a mainstream view, but not apparently one that couldn't be held by a mentally well person.
 

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I've always been a registered Republican. A primary reason for that was because all of my high school friends were liberal Democrats. I'm congenitally oppositional about joining in with what other people are doing, whether politics or fashion or fun.

I stayed Republican because the libs had always been such ninnies, easily offended and prone to hair-triggered emotional tirades.

I'm still an R but feel nothing but contempt for nearly every Republican in national office, and more and more of my votes have been for Democrats at all levels.

That being said, I will never, ever give them the satisfaction of switching my registration. I don't respect people who drop out of the Republican party, either.
 
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I have always rejected this "I'm a -------- " bullshit

I have always said that you are who you vote for

If you always vote by more than 60/40 D over R then you are a Democrat and if you always vote or R over D then you are a Republican

Most people who these days claim they are "independents" are just Republicans who no longer want to admit that

This is more about ideologies than party affiliation though. There's certainly a difference in balance, but most of these ideologies find representation to some extent in both major US parties.

These ideologies are also international in their propagation, which should provide more space for members from other countries to respond.
 

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I don't find identity on either side of a binary scale. I have opinions that align with the left, and some that align with the right. While I don't usually agree with any ideas that are extreme on either side, I tend to agree more with those on the left than the right, but I still don't see myself as necessarily a Democrat, or a "leftist" which I think is a ridiculous term, and I couldn't be because of my views that align with the right. And vice versa.

Centrist doesn't describe me, moderate doesn't really describe me either. Both of these terms feel lazy, and inaccurate. I'm sure my opinions and ideas can be put somewhere on a chart, but that chart probably looks more like a circle than a line.

I don't think there is an option available in the survey that describes me. If independent were an option I would choose that, but I understand why that wasn't made available.
 
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Each political party and separate, distinct and very DIFFERENT "ideologies" or to put it another way "what they believe in" or "what they fight for"

The Democratic party believes in A,B&C and the Republican party believes in X,Y&Z which the vast majority of the time is the polar opposite of A,B&C

You name the issue the Democratic party is either for it or against it and the opposite will be true for the Republican party.

I can not think a single ideological issue where the Democratic party and the Republican party are anywhere close to agreeing on it.

When you vote on the state level to an extent but especially on the federal level and when you vote for President for sure you are voting for one of two normally very different "visions of America"

A Republican President and Congress will do this

A Democratic President and Congress will do that

If you vote consistently R because you want the R vision then you are a Republican

If you vote consistently D because you want the D vision then you are a Democrat

Unless you vote for NOTHING but "independents" you know like Bernie Sanders or Angus King, assuming you have someone with an I next to their name on your ballot then you are NOT an "independent"
 
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Not to be a contrarian, but I'm leaning towards the rejecting of labels. I try to consider each political issue individually and solutions on their merits. I think on a per issue basis, most of my solutions would get labelled as centrist, liberal, or socialist. But there's a few outliers (I'm more libertarian in my attitudes towards free speech). I don't subscribe to one ideology that I think would best solve all our issues in the way that Democratic Socialism works for Norwegian countries for example.

Well said.
 

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My ideology is based on improving the standard of living of ALL American citizens and non-citizens legally permitted to be in America. Government exists to serve this purpose. Aside from a reasonable amount of charity to others, any deviation from the role of government serving the people's interests should be eliminated.
 

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Each political party and separate, distinct and very DIFFERENT "ideologies" or to put it another way "what they believe in" or "what they fight for"

The Democratic party believes in A,B&C and the Republican party believes in X,Y&Z which the vast majority of the time is the polar opposite of A,B&C

You name the issue the Democratic party is either for it or against it and the opposite will be true for the Republican party.

I can not think a single ideological issue where the Democratic party and the Republican party are anywhere close to agreeing on it.

When you vote on the state level to an extent but especially on the federal level and when you vote for President for sure you are voting for one of two normally very different "visions of America"

A Republican President and Congress will do this

A Democratic President and Congress will do that

If you vote consistently R because you want the R vision then you are a Republican

If you vote consistently D because you want the D vision then you are a Democrat

Unless you vote for NOTHING but "independents" you know like Bernie Sanders or Angus King, assuming you have someone with an I next to their name on your ballot then you are NOT an "independent"

And some people believe in A and B, but not C, and they might like X, but not Y and Z. Centrist and moderate are not accurate descriptions. Independent is a little more accurate, but like I said, not really accurate.

Do you have a better term or do you just want to talk down about it? The thread isn't about your "vision for America", its about your political association.
 

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What I am saying is "your political association" is largely tied you what your "vision of america" is

What I am saying is that you are who you vote for.

If you vote consistently R especially on the national level then you are a Republican

If you vote consistently D especially on the national level then you are a Democrat

It is as simple as that

You can tell anyone and everyone until you are blue in the face and until hell freezes over about how you are "an independent" but in the end you are NOT

I do not know why on earth that concept is so hard to understand.

But an example if it helps

I live in the Mobile AL media market so I know names and many of them are known somewhat nationally for one reason or another so they make good examples

If you voted for Kay Ivey and for Robert Bentley twice and the R who was before him whose name slips my mind twice and Fob James twice, once when he won and once when he lost to Don Siegleman then guess what you are a Republican.

If you voted for Roy Moore and plenty of people did and voted for Jeff Sessions every time he was on the ballot and Richard Shelby ever since he changed from D to R back in the 90's, you know almost 30 years ago and for as long as you have been voting have at least voted for the R running for your house district and probably had an R in that seat then guess what you are a Republican

In a land far far away in a time long long ago there were these species called "ticket spliters" who thought that "divided government" was a "good idea" and voted in order to get that

They were the last people who could truly call themselves "independents"

But starting in 2000 but for sure by 2008 that species was all but extinct because "divided government" got "re-branded" as "grid lock" and rather that getting "something down the middle" we got a whole lot of NOTHING and people got tired of that so now what we see since 2008 all three tend to go the same way with some adjustments sometimes in the other way in the midterms.

Odds are now better that even money Trump gets beat or does not run and who ever the R is gets beat, the Senate map is very bad for the R's, a loss of 7 seats in more than just possible and loosing the house is not likely.
 
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