Was googling circumcision an the royal family. Charles was circumcised by a rabbi. Prince Andrew is cut. Fellow students of his from his school days confirm this. Prince Edward is also circumcised. It also said Prince William is rumored to have had it done shortly after Princess Diana's death. Lately with the photos of William peeing, the debate still continues on whether he's cut or not.
Princes' circumcision
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dude, get over yourself. the truth is that kids get made fun of in the u.s. they get made fun of to the extent that kids will talk about it in front of girls. girls don't know any better at that age, so if they make fun of the kid, you can imagine how harmful it can be for a 8 year old to have his penis made fun of by a girl.
not to mention if they do decide they want to get circumcised later (probably after being made fun of), they will be pissed they have to go through immense pain, when their friends can't even remember theirs.
it's amazing how there are so many people on this site that are so against circumcision, but there aren't really people on the site who are against non-circumcision. maybe it's just about having an open mind.
It is true that circumcision was a tratition in the British royal family dating back to the days of Queen Victoria. It is also true that Princess Diana was against this tradition and refused to have her sons circumcised, but the rumours of Prince William's circumcision after her death are pure nonsense. Only about 15% of British males are circumsised, mainly for religious reasons. In British schools circumcised boys is a small minority.
unless he had it done recently which he could have and im not aware of it.[ which is posibale] i cant recall at the moment but it was a magazine i saw at the library i think or some where and he was showing all while seting down waring his kilt. it has been since dianas death. will try to find it if can. but like i said it could be wrong about it. and probly are by now as its been a while.
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well for your information here. i did let him keep his foreskin. and latter on he had to be circ, so i think my first idea for his best interest would have been to go ahead an had him done at birth like i was going to in the beginning, but i had a quack Dr, bombarding me with crap like we read here sometimes, an also my hubby wasn't cut at the time so i thought it would be ok if they wasn't. WRONG, so you see he still didn't get to make the choice as he had to be done latter on and he was still under my care. so what to you have to say now about my lack of respect for my child and the way i chose to raise them. actually both my sons had to be cut, as one was way to tight, and the other had such a long foreskin that there was not enough room to pull it back and clean it properly so after all this i think i can voice some sort of opinion like every one else. you dont have to agree as i dont with some about there opinion as well but thats like advise. its only worth what it cost. also my hubby got circ, just because he wanted to and it is much better for lots of reason. that will only bring about world war 3 here but i know why i have my preference and everyone else is free to have there as well and i respect it. but not every one agrees and never will about this subject.
I've read stories, posts and e-mails of the restoration guys having nervous breakdowns, going into therapy and wishing murder on their parents and the doctor who circumcised them. I've also heard on the news about a guy going in to the doctor who circumcised him as a baby with a gun, and nearly killing the man. I'm NOT making fun of you, i'm NOT putting you down or disrespecting your feelings in any way. In fact, I feel that it's very unfortunate that you feel so hurt and violated, and I don't wish that on anyone. Do what it takes to help you heal. However, I just want you to know that you're a very small minority of people, and that you're not a representation of society at large. In fact, The vast majority of guys say that they're actually glad to be cut. And not all of them are speaking out of ignorance:
The majority of people only know how one way feels: Cut, or uncut. They say that they would never even want to be the other, or they simply have a "the grass is always greener. . ." fantasy in their mind of how much better the other is supposed to feel based on biased research, or a sales pitch. That's why i've made it a point to talk to guys who've gotten it done later in life: In their teens, in their 20s, 30s and even a man who had the procedure done in his 50s; Mostly for medical reasons, and in countries such as Britain, New Zealand and Belgium, where circumcision isn't quite the norm, or well tolerated in white males.
One guy in Britain who was University aged said that he had problems with his urine leaking in his underwear when finishing urination after having the operation done, but besides that? They all said that they preferred being cut, and wish they had it done sooner; That they could have had it done before they'd have to suffer through the hell of stitches, and not jerking off for an entire month. A couple of them told me that their girlfriends really didn't like them being cut at first, but after a few tries they said that they wound up preferring it, and wished that more men in their country were circumcised.
I feel that the real sexual organ is the brain; If you feel inadequate and inferior, sex isn't going to be fun or pleasurable to you. This goes for whether you're being told that circumcision has reduced your pleasure, or you're having people making fun of your foreskin. The power of suggestion is very strong, and this is the reason that scientific studies use a placebo group, and that hypnotists like Tony Robbins are millionaires. The fact of the matter is that the porn industry in America is a booming, 2.2 billion-dollar industry, where the vast majority of people are cut at birth. If this truly made masturbation a pleasureless, futile experience. . .why are men spending their very hard-earned money to jerk off so much? Also, if circumcision made sex relatively pleasureless, why do so many men in America go to singles bars, hook-up lines, cheat on their wives and "accidentally" knock girls up? Because sex is pleasurable for them, and they're out having it. Irresponsibly, but they're enjoying it nonetheless.
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I've heard that circumcision is more of a class thing in Britain; that the rich and royal-class boys have it done to "separate them" from the lower classes. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
The majority of people only know how one way feels: Cut, or uncut. They say that they would never even want to be the other, or they simply have a "the grass is always greener. . ." fantasy in their mind of how much better the other is supposed to feel based on biased research, or a sales pitch. That's why i've made it a point to talk to guys who've gotten it done later in life: In their teens, in their 20s, 30s and even a man who had the procedure done in his 50s; Mostly for medical reasons, and in countries such as Britain, New Zealand and Belgium, where circumcision isn't quite the norm, or well tolerated in white males.
One guy in Britain who was University aged said that he had problems with his urine leaking in his underwear when finishing urination after having the operation done, but besides that? They all said that they preferred being cut, and wish they had it done sooner; That they could have had it done before they'd have to suffer through the hell of stitches, and not jerking off for an entire month. A couple of them told me that their girlfriends really didn't like them being cut at first, but after a few tries they said that they wound up preferring it, and wished that more men in their country were circumcised.
I feel that the real sexual organ is the brain; If you feel inadequate and inferior, sex isn't going to be fun or pleasurable to you. This goes for whether you're being told that circumcision has reduced your pleasure, or you're having people making fun of your foreskin. The power of suggestion is very strong, and this is the reason that scientific studies use a placebo group, and that hypnotists like Tony Robbins are millionaires. The fact of the matter is that the porn industry in America is a booming, 2.2 billion-dollar industry, where the vast majority of people are cut at birth. If this truly made masturbation a pleasureless, futile experience. . .why are men spending their very hard-earned money to jerk off so much? Also, if circumcision made sex relatively pleasureless, why do so many men in America go to singles bars, hook-up lines, cheat on their wives and "accidentally" knock girls up? Because sex is pleasurable for them, and they're out having it. Irresponsibly, but they're enjoying it nonetheless.
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I've heard that circumcision is more of a class thing in Britain; that the rich and royal-class boys have it done to "separate them" from the lower classes. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
no i did what i thought was best an if i had to go back and do it again i would stick with my original plane an have then both done at birth. now i have already shown you more respect here than you deserve by the comment you just left me about me taking the easy way out. you know nothing about me or how much i care for my children or any other things concerning this. so i think you should keep your comments and your accusing as to how you think i should raise my boys to your self from here on out. you are entitled to your opinion about cut an uncut cocks but you can need to keep your mouth shut about what or how i raise my sons is that clear? i have not ,, do not,,, and will never tell anyone on here or anywhere else how to raise there kids. i will how ever give my opinion about it IF and only IF they ask me for it. and i didn't ask you so keep your opinion about my kids to your self from here on out. this has been tried on me at other post and i will not tolerate it. you are welcome to voice you opinion about me but when you start accusing me of being lazy and such when it comes to my sons your cross the line dude. so would do you well to remember this next time.
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well seeing as you think you know all about women,an how to tell them how to raise their children. i cant help but have pity on any female of whom you think you have ownership of. in case you aren't aware of it, women have found far more decent gentlemen than the back woods hillbilly type you seem to be representing here. it could also be that the reason a women hasn't told you to shut your mouth is that know decent lady would stick around long enough or put up with you. i think there is a spot for you here on lpsg. its called the ignore list bye bye:wink: its one thing to have a opinion and also to disagree but accusing someone of be lazy in there raising of there kids is just plain stupid dude
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Well, if by recent you mean back when he was a baby some 60 years ago, then yes it was done recently.
Where you claim to have read something in a magazine-although you have no idea which one (and you don't seem to know if it was at the library or at your Uncle Virgil's house or somewhere else), the Internet shows throughout that Charles was circumcised in regular Jewish manner by a Mohel (a tradition which dates back to Queen Victoria). It is then indicated that Diana did not want her sons circumcised and that supposedly they were not.
A quick search found this: The Royal Scribe which sums things up rather nicely. It details how circumcision ended up being (supposedly) brought to the Spanish royals as well by one of Victoria's descendants (Queen Ena who was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria).
From where I stand, I lean toward the theory that Queen Ena - born Princess Victoria Eugénie of Battenberg and the youngest granddaughter of Britains Queen Victoria - introduced circumcision to the Spanish royal family. After all, if she introduced the Christmas tree, golf and horse racing to her adopted country, why not circumcision? In all seriousness, however, its possible that the tradition, which many people are surprised to learn was introduced into the British royal family by none other than Queen Victoria, was spread to other royal families by her many children and grandchildren. Its purely speculation on my part and I find little evidence to point that other modern monarchies practice circumcision, but there is little doubt that circumcision has been a part of the British royal family ever since Queen Victoria.
An idealistic woman and a romantic at heart, it probably took little encouraging to convince Queen Victoria that she was descended from none other than the Biblical King David. Certainly, it must have been an idea that was not only utterly attractive, but perhaps appealed to her dynastic sensibilities. At a time when royal subjects the world over were daily reasserting - in words and action - the belief that their monarchs were most certainly not chosen by God, it must have been a way of justifying her and her familys elevated status. It wasnt just Victoria, either, who believed in the King David connection. The "British Israel" movement, which stated (among other things) that the British people were descended from one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, was very popular before, during and after Victorias reign. In accordance with this belief, Victoria - along with much of the British aristocracy - chose to have her sons circumcised. And the tradition has continued, according to most every account, right up to the modern day.
In fact, its incredibly easy to find various sources that cite the current Prince of Wales circumcision at Buckingham Palace in 1948 by Rabbi Jacob Snowman, M.D., who was the official Mohel (Jewish ritual circumcision) of the London Jewish community. Interestingly, by most accounts Princes William and Harry were not circumcised as infants, reportedly because the Princess of Wales refused to have it done on her young sons, although some sources claim she did agree to have it done. The opinion is even more divided on whether or not the uncircumcised royal princes were requested by their father to have the procedure after their mothers death. It has been rumored that Prince Harry agreed and had the procedure only months after Dianas death, while Prince William refused. Whatever the case, as with most issues regarding the two princes, this is an extremely controversial issue and is unlikely to be affirmatively ascertained one way or another.
With that in mind, I feel it necessary to say that, if youre like I was, and looking for categorical proof that anyone royal was or is circumcised, Im afraid its a bit like squeezing blood from a turnip. Sure, biographers and journalists will write what they either believe to be true or have heard through the grapevine, but in all reality, its highly unlikely that any royal ever did or ever will come right out and say, "I am/am not circumcised
thanks northland. i will look at the things you posted here and do some searching on the web as well. i haven't really done a lot of reading up on the royals and their circ, status. although i do remember reading somewhere about Diana's not having them done. but it was something to do with her relatives not being ,or a status thing if i remember correctly. just seen the one article is all, but been a while now i guess. but i am not 60 yrs. old yet, so it could not have been that far back [ LOL ] thanks for the info. and will do some reading up. sure i will learn something new and more informative as well hopefully.
You've read? I'd like to know where. And I'd like to see links to specific posts.
I occasionally review the various F/R forums and I don't see many, if any, posts about "nervous breakdowns," "going into therapy," or "wishing murder on their parents". Sometimes there are loopy outbursts about killing the circumcisers [surgeons] but any forum is going to have it's share of goofball posts.
Since you say you heard it "on the news," then I'd like to see a link to a mainstream report. I doubt that it really happened.
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