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Why, only recently, they considered bringing back spladle, but spladle was banned because she/he said in posts that he wished another poster to die.

^Spladle's famous catch phrase, which amused me at times, was actually "I don't care if you die". This phrase didn't cause his banning. He had been a participant in a flame war with a nasty troll and was told to cease dealing with the troll or be banned. He didn't stop, and hence was banned.
 

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"What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"

(Shakespeare - King John)
 
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I dont like to do things by half:wink:

Seriously, these ideas of conspiracies and baiting etc are really annoying me. If you are gonna claim conspiracies, why not just come out and call the mod you think a douche? The ideas on baiting fuck me off. People didnt like her and i guess some people did want her banned. I dont think the mods wanted to ban her personally and i for one certainly didnt.

I may have alot of absolutes, but far more people on here have half ideas that they cant/wont elaborate on.

This is the problem we're talking about Lemon. No one is stirring theories of conspiracy here. You don't get it. Naughty pointed this out to you as well.

You did in fact make a statement in that thread (a matter of record) that to me, could have best been left out. However innocently or deliberate it may have been, it appeared to be baiting. This would have required you to stop a minute and think about whether or not such a response was completely necessary.

So don't compound the problem by acting as if you are being victimized here.

Having read your interactions with her previously, I have a feeling your intention was less than admirable. Just an opinion.

I have nothing personal against you, I am merely going by what I am reading in the tone of your responses here and elsewhere. :wink:

It is clear that NJ could have backed away as well and handled things a bit differently. I am not taking sides here, I am on the side of what is right.

It is also clear to me, a WHITE man, her use of the word "cracker" was sarcasm. If NJ had wanted to say something as bad as what people are eluding to, I am certain she could have made that very plain for them.

I also believe you wandered into something of which you have no clue. Your choice in words here has made that apparent. That's what NJ meant when she told you to "leave". (basically)

Also, you said: ". I didn't mean for it to sound like everyone didn't like her, as it evidently isn't so."

Best advice: You're digging yourself in deeper and this is not the kind of attention you want.
 
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This is the problem we're talking about Lemon. No one is stirring theories of conspiracy here. You don't get it. Naughty pointed this out to you as well.

You did in fact make a statement in that thread (a matter of record) that to me, could have best been left out. However innocently or deliberate it may have been, it appeared to be baiting. This would have required you to stop a minute and think about whether or not such a response was completely necessary.

So don't compound the problem by acting as if you are being victimized here.

Having read your interactions with her previously, I have a feeling your intention was less than admirable. Just an opinion. My intention was to voice my opinion.

I have nothing personal against you, I am merely going by what I am reading in the tone of your responses here and elsewhere. :wink:

It is clear that NJ could have backed away as well and handled things a bit differently. I am not taking sides here, I am on the side of what is right. mmhmmmm.

It is also clear to me, a WHITE man, her use of the word "cracker" was sarcasm. If NJ had wanted to say something as bad as what people are eluding to, I am certain she could have made that very plain for them.

I also believe you wandered into something of which you have no clue. Your choice in words here has made that apparent. That's what NJ meant when she told you to "leave". (basically) "Leave the human race"= leave the discussion?

Also, you said: ". I didn't mean for it to sound like everyone didn't like her, as it evidently isn't so." I was replying to Naughty's post, in which it looked like she thought i meant that NJ was hated by most/all

Best advice: You're digging yourself in deeper and this is not the kind of attention you want.
Deeper into what exactly? It seems to me, people have made their minds up on me in this whole thing anyway. You are right, i should probably stop posting on this issue altogether, but i probably wont. This whole topic is fucking with me tbh.

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Being a Brit I doubt he even knew what the word cracker meant. It's not a word used here.

So much for being offended. :rolleyes:

Precisely my guess, at least for his first reaction.
Now, he does know what the word means ... but if he finds it offensive, then he doesn't really understand how inoffensive the word, as used, really is.
The word may not carry the same degree of damage as the other but that doesn't make it inoffensive.

If someone asks you if they're attractive, surely you're aware that while a disinterested, "M'eh", while lacking the same impact as, "You're fugly" is still going to be hurtful.

No one ever said it had the same weight. The point is that she hurled a racial epithet at someone, regardless of how harmless it may appear to anyone. Her intent was to berate someone with specific mention of their race.
Bingo. And this is particularly egregious from someone who was so quick fault others for any hint of same directed toward blacks.

But the injury has everything to do with the connotation.
Honky and cracker just can't be classed with nigger.
"Ah, but they're all 'racial epithets.'"
At a stretch, yes ... but not in any sense equally insulting or equally injurious.
Someone who doesn't understand their use might indeed be insulted ... but that would be the result only of their own incomprehension, not of the intention of the speaker.
No, Rubi, the offensiveness of a remark does not rest with comprehension of the person it's aimed at.

When I was around 12 there was a boy on my street who always called me jungle bunny. I wasn't aware it was a racial slur. All of us kids played in the woods behind the street (jungle?) and I was pretty agile, plus bunnies are cute, right? My lack of comprehension of the slur at the time did not make his use of the term acceptable. He fucking knew what he meant.

Around the same time there was a boy in my church who used to hiss at me and spit the epithet "Jap" at me. I'm not Japanese, not even a smidge, so his slurs were way off the mark (I never did find bigots to be particularly smart).
That doesn't make his behaviour any less offensive.

I really loved NJ. I feel I knew her heart. I am quite sad. Totally confused how any confabulation of racism got involved with her ban. I passionately hate that word as does NJ.
For someone who hated the word she used it often enough. It was her favorite accusation to throw around any time there was a disagreement vaguely around race, even managing to work it into a discussion of thread merges that had nothing to do with it.

You see, in this debate, this is just when I would want the opinion of a strong-willed american black woman. I might not agree with her, but I'd respect her point of view and benefit from her contribution.

I think it's sad we've lost that resource.
You're confusing loud for strong.
If you want the opinion of a strong-willed American black woman seek out AlteredEgo or Abernathy and you'll get the bonus of intelligent reasoning thrown in. Add TinyPrincess if non-American black intelligence of interest.
If anything that resource has been refined.

As a Canadian who is merely 15/32 black :rolleyes: ,and who used to get PMs from NJ linking to her own posts where she called someone stupid for something or other as though she were proud of it and wanted it recognized, I found her offensive.

I was offended by her delight in shitting on others she disagreed with, slinging insults willy nilly then being outraged that they'd dare respond in kind.
I was offended by the frequency with which she'd start racially charged threads then resort to accusing people of racism when her point wasn't fully supported.
I was offended by her stance of "black people can't be racist" while dishing out race based slurs.

As far as I'm concerned all we've lost is an angry hypocrite.

^Spladle's famous catch phrase, which amused me at times, was actually "I don't care if you die".
I thought it was YSSCKY - "You should seriously consider killing yourself".
 
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I am not offended by the word cracker at all, it hasn't the same sting as the N word. White people were not slaves for over 200 years. I have much more to say about the topic at hand. However some things are better left unsaid. Things are not what they seem. It was a very smart man who said, if you dont ask questions you will never get answers.
 
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This brings me back to a memory of my father who passed away when I was young. One day I asked him if there was a name you can call a white person that is disrespectful and derogatory and he smiled and said yeah call them a "nun". For years I thought it was a word like "nincompoop" or "idiot", it wasn't until many years later and after his passing for me to realize he was referring to a "nun". Can you imagine a 7 year old kid going home crying "skull mason called me a nun mommy", I still chuckle to myself.
 

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This brings me back to a memory of my father who passed away when I was young. One day I asked him if there was a name you can call a white person that is disrespectful and derogatory and he smiled and said yeah call them a "nun". For years I thought it was a word like "nincompoop" or "idiot", it wasn't until many years later and after his passing for me to realize he was referring to a "nun". Can you imagine a 7 year old kid going home crying "skull mason called me a nun mommy", I still chuckle to myself.


I take it your father was the beneficiary of a parochial education?
 
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I am not offended by the word cracker at all, it hasn't the same sting as the N word. White people were not slaves for over 200 years. I have much more to say about the topic at hand. However some things are better left unsaid. Things are not what they seem. It was a very smart man who said, if you dont ask questions you will never get answers.


You said a mouth full.
 

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There are derogatories for black peeps, gay peeps, and women. There are no derogatories
that can cut down any Caucasian male unless he is indeed black, gay, or female.

You can call Caucasian males "Cracker" or "Honky" to their face. They will just laugh at you like circus clowns.


I am not offended by the word cracker at all, it hasn't the same sting as the N word. White people were not slaves for over 200 years. I have much more to say about the topic at hand. However some things are better left unsaid. Things are not what they seem. It was a very smart man who said, if you dont ask questions you will never get answers.

That is what I was saying earlier and Snakes reinforced that fact.

 

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Just because it doesn't sting as much doesn't mean it doesn't sting or wasn't meant to sting at all. The term wouldn't have been adopted otherwise.

I imagine it's intention, when used by blacks to refer to whites, is as a reminder that old grievances from slavery haven't been forgotten and to induce shame in the recipient and/or incite anger toward the recipient for the history of slavery.

Any way you slice the origins of the word it is still in reference to whites, making it race based, and it certainly wasn't offered in complimentary terms. Regardless of the degree of "sting" it IS a racial slur. Arguing otherwise is ridiculous.
 

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I am not offended by the word cracker at all, it hasn't the same sting as the N word. White people were not slaves for over 200 years. I have much more to say about the topic at hand. However some things are better left unsaid. Things are not what they seem. It was a very smart man who said, if you dont ask questions you will never get answers.

^This. A lot of people don't understand the complexities of the racial history in this country and how things are not even close to being healed considering black people have had real rights in concrete in this country for less than 50 years. Lemon is younger than me and those in our age group may not understand what those people in NJ's age group (our parents age and older) went through throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s and early part of the 80s. Race especially with us in America who are part of the Diaspora will ALWAYS be a sensitive spot and even though I disagree with just supporting someone because he's black I do understand why we do. Because of the systematic exclusion of Blacks during the majority of this country's existence.

I mean it's a forum, a message board. It's not an adult website. I don't come hear to jack off. I come her to talk, release, and speak my mind. She does that while I don't agree sometimes with what she has to say I've seen worse here and elsewhere.

Love her or hate her NJ was a major contributor to this site and if she doesn't come back her presence will be missed.
 
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