Principessa banned?

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Just to put my 2 penith in here. Should the TOS be more genlty applied to people like myself who have brains the size of tomatoes? I'm not sure if I have stepped over the line since joining as I am too stupid to know...

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

The problem is that there are some members who feel that the Terms of Service do not apply to them or that they can follow them selectively. The ToS also doesn't apply to most people who are friends of certain mods/admins who waffle back and forth between LPSG and another website. That's how leaks happen and that's why some banned members know more of what is going on here than real members and why banned members can get back on here and post and the mods don't do anything about it.

It's time for a new slate of officers to run this place---starting with Admins.

Conspiracy theory claptrap. What deep dark secrets lurk beneath the surface at LPSG which anyone would want to know about anyway? Leaks? I mean seriously this isn't some great department or ministry of state, frankly what people know and do not know about "behind the scenes at LPSG" is pretty inconsequential.

Who gives a tinker's cus what information banned members are party to and how exactly does their knowledge of such information actually change how this site is moderated and administrated?

 

[prepstudinsc]

Don't new members have to click that they accept the ToS when they sign up?

 

[prepstudinsc]

Conspiracy theory claptrap. What deep dark secrets lurk beneath the surface at LPSG which anyone would want to know about anyway? Leaks? I mean seriously this isn't some great department or ministry of state, frankly what people know and do not know about "behind the scenes at LPSG" is pretty inconsequential.

Who gives a tinker's cus what information banned members are party to and how exactly does their knowledge of such information actually change how this site is moderated and administrated?

If you were a long time member you'd understand. It's not even worth taking the time to explain to you.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

If you were a long time member you'd understand. It's not even worth taking the time to explain to you.

:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: OMG you are toooooooo funny! :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: I genuinely just plotzed at that, classic. Do you ever really think about what you're posting? Or does this silliness just tumble out in a stream of consciousness?

I genuinely cannot believe you just posted this in earnest, please say you're joking :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:

 

[B_coldnose]

I beleive the title is principessa banned? Time to start a new thread called lets talk about being banned. 0r one called gives a shit anymore.

 

[Mem]

Don't new members have to click that they accept the ToS when they sign up?

Exactly. Most don't read them. You just click on it and agree because otherwise you can't join. Basically they are common sense rules of behavior and all sites have them.

 

[Northland]

The problem is that there are some members who feel that the Terms of Service do not apply to them or that they can follow them selectively. The ToS also doesn't apply to most people who are friends of certain mods/admins who waffle back and forth between LPSG and another website. That's how leaks happen and that's why some banned members know more of what is going on here than real members and why banned members can get back on here and post and the mods don't do anything about it.
It's time for a new slate of officers to run this place---starting with Admins.

Bitterness from a former moderator?

It's unfortunate to see a former moderator speaking of leaks and favoritsm around these parts. Is this something which existed while you were a moderator, did you contribute to that kind of behavior and was your exit by choice or by force, either because you did or did not take part in the leaks and favortism? When you mention another site and those who "waffle back and forth" between this and another website, is this the membership or the moderators that you are speaking of, or both?

What makes you think that a different group of moderators and administrators would be any different? A new roster of leaders, might be the answer; then again, it might not change anything other than the players. All websites with moderating systems can be flawed since the moderators are human and do have interaction with members, and those interactions can be either good or bad- and can go to an extreme on either of those. There is a TOS, if it is adhered to soundly, it can guide this place, if on the other hand, the TOS is constantly in flux, it can create confusion to members who always wonder what is acceptable when they see one person banned for saying something and another person not receiving the same. Never having been a moderator here, I don't know how well or how poorly the system is run, how well all the moderators are at following the standards set forth in the TOS.

 

[Pitbull]

Lots of 'em are leaving because this place just plain sucks these days.

I feeling that way too.

Adults cannot have a conversation because we will of course offend someone.
So adult discussions have to be tailored like we are speaking to a child.

 

[Mem]

The problem is that there are some members who feel that the Terms of Service do not apply to them or that they can follow them selectively. The ToS also doesn't apply to most people who are friends of certain mods/admins who waffle back and forth between LPSG and another website. That's how leaks happen and that's why some banned members know more of what is going on here than real members and why banned members can get back on here and post and the mods don't do anything about it.

It's time for a new slate of officers to run this place---starting with Admins.

I don't see that as being true. If someone flagrantly viloates the ToS I doubt that anyone can save their account here. I was on friendly terms with both you and Naughty (and still am) and several other Mods here. If you get on a Mods good side of course they will cut you some slack and if you piss them off the opposite will happen, it's just human nature. If I do something so bad that all the long time members are up in arms about it no Mod or Admin will be able to save me at that point.

I do see some things being ignored but it's not a major problem. One longtime member does start threads that are "Senseless or unrecognizable content", he does it to be funny, so I can ignore him when I don't see the humor in it.

 

[prepstudinsc]

Bitterness from a former moderator?

It's unfortunate to see a former moderator speaking of leaks and favoritsm around these parts. Is this something which existed while you were a moderator, did you contribute to that kind of behavior and was your exit by choice or by force, either because you did or did not take part in the leaks and favortism? When you mention another site and those who "waffle back and forth" between this and another website, is this the membership or the moderators that you are speaking of, or both?

There was always some suspicion that there were some leaks, but by the time I was a moderator, that was mostly gone. A lot of this started up after some people got banned. My choice to resign was due to many reasons, but it was MY choice, because I didn't want to be a part of the craziness that was going on. Regarding people waffling back and forth, it is both admin/moderators and members.
Some of them are members who have been banned and come back here only to get re-banned, others are banned people who come back under new names, and some are people who happily coexist in two places. These days, though, it seems as if there is a lot of protection of friends from people in high places.

What makes you think that a different group of moderators and administrators would be any different? A new roster of leaders, might be the answer; then again, it might not change anything other than the players. All websites with moderating systems can be flawed since the moderators are human and do have interaction with members, and those interactions can be either good or bad- and can go to an extreme on either of those. There is a TOS, if it is adhered to soundly, it can guide this place, if on the other hand, the TOS is constantly in flux, it can create confusion to members who always wonder what is acceptable when they see one person banned for saying something and another person not receiving the same. Never having been a moderator here, I don't know how well or how poorly the system is run, how well all the moderators are at following the standards set forth in the TOS.

You don't even want to get me started on the ToS. I think it's needed, but it has to be enforced uniformly. However, these days, LPSG seems like a police state, people get banned for the smallest of crimes. If some of the people who didn't want the rules to apply to them thought we were bad, their heads must be spinning.

Sorry to the couple of mods that are on here that are trustworthy and do their job. I'm going to refrain from naming names of who I think is a leak and who protects their friends.

 

[prepstudinsc]

I don't see that as being true. If someone flagrantly viloates the ToS I doubt that anyone can save their account here. I was on friendly terms with both you and Naughty (and still am) and several other Mods here. If you get on a Mods good side of course they will cut you some slack and if you piss them off the opposite will happen, it's just human nature. If I do something so bad that all the long time members are up in arms about it no Mod or Admin will be able to save me at that point.

I do see some things being ignored but it's not a major problem. One longtime member does start threads that are "Senseless or unrecognizable content", he does it to be funny, so I can ignore him when I don't see the humor in it.

Mem, you chilled after being on here for a while, but you never really did anything outrageous except start a gazillion threads. One person in leadership pushed to have banned members be able to come back. They did it so their friends could come back on the board--only to get rebanned. Yet, some of them continue to come back under assumed names, sometimes being found out, and sometimes not.

 

[Kotchanski]

You don't even want to get me started on the ToS. I think it's needed, but it has to be enforced uniformly. However, these days, LPSG seems like a police state, people get banned for the smallest of crimes. If some of the people who didn't want the rules to apply to them thought we were bad, their heads must be spinning.

Sorry to the couple of mods that are on here that are trustworthy and do their job. I'm going to refrain from naming names of who I think is a leak and who protects their friends.

I think we can all be sure that Rob E isn't leaking information to anyone, or protecting anyone, so why don't we all cut the mud slinging and take our proof to him?

We're all so sure we know what's going on, got to wonder just why no one seems to want to do anything more than spread nasty little rumours around...

 

[SpoiledPrincess]

Ex mods are often the first to start slinging mud about the 'regime' they were part of five minutes ago. Sour grapes?

Much as I liked and respected NJ she was often needlessly hostile, you don't need to be snippy to get your point across. Women on this site are coddled, we know because we're women we're allowed to get away with shit men won't, we shouldn't take advantage of that.

 

[prepstudinsc]

I think we can all be sure that Rob E isn't leaking information to anyone, or protecting anyone, so why don't we all cut the mud slinging and take our proof to him?

We're all so sure we know what's going on, got to wonder just why no one seems to want to do anything more than spread nasty little rumours around...

I've gone to some mods and I've also gone to Rob_E.

Did you think I was accusing you, Kotchanski?

 

[Mem]

Mem, you chilled after being on here for a while, but you never really did anything outrageous except start a gazillion threads. One person in leadership pushed to have banned members be able to come back. They did it so their friends could come back on the board--only to get rebanned. Yet, some of them continue to come back under assumed names, sometimes being found out, and sometimes not.

You mean the good old days when this place was fun? Now a days I can go a week or more without posting and this place is only interesting when an incident such as a high profile banning happens.

If someone comes back under an assumed name (maybe after getting a new ISP or moving) and can interact here with others and not get found out, nor rebanned I see no problem with that. It's very hard to hide who you are at any site for a long time, especially if you were banned for being a strong personality who likes to fight and is very stubborn.

 

[Kotchanski]

I've gone to some mods and I've also gone to Rob_E.

Did you think I was accusing you, Kotchanski?

I know full well you're accusing me Prep, and I have to say, I'm disappointed and more than a little hurt.

 

[prepstudinsc]

I know full well you're accusing me Prep, and I have to say, I'm disappointed and more than a little hurt.

You're reading a lot into this, but a guilty soul needs no accusing.
Sorry you feel that way.

 

[Mem]

Much as I liked and respected NJ she was often needlessly hostile, you don't need to be snippy to get your point across. Women on this site are coddled, we know because we're women we're allowed to get away with shit men won't, we shouldn't take advantage of that.

The thing I didn't like about NJ was that she was too stubborn and never let anything go or was unwilling to forgive or get past something. This being in my case, in my opinion. She and one other person wanted me banned from here. The other person came around and I'm glad that we ended up on good terms with each other.

I tried to give NJ the benefit of the doubt, but she never changed. At that point I held her at arms length and ignored her posts for the most part. I really only have one person whom I don't particularly like here, and they don't like me. (here is a hint, they would never ask me if it was them) Strange things have happened. My former arch nemesis and I are on very cordial terms and I never thought that would happen in a million years.

 

[Kotchanski]

You're reading a lot into this, but a guilty soul needs no accusing.
Sorry you feel that way.

You know as well as I do that I'm the one who pushed for the reinstatement of banned members. You also know full well it's Stronzo you're talking about when you mention this above.

Please don't try and make this you being innocent and me feeling guilty, you're clearly not clever enough to pull it off.

Yes I'll happily admit that I pushed for reinstatement of banned members to be put in place and made official, I'll also point out that another former mod brought the idea up before I joined the team and I simply continued to work towards the idea after they left. Just so happens that it was agreed upon while I was there and not before... I can't control the way others vote.

I also happily admit that like countless others (some known, unknown, liked and disliked) I was the one that dealt with his appeal, and like with all others, I posted his appeal on his behalf, from his point of view, and then gave my own opinion on the matter.

I've done this for more than 50 members at a rough guess. Some of those who appealed via my email (and when we started, it was pretty much the only email address people had access to) were reinstated and later banned again, others reinstated and remain, others not reinstated and stayed away and a few more not reinstated and keep coming back no matter how many bloody times we ban them.

All mods base their decisions on what they see before them, they may not agree, and yes their opinions are going to be partly based on their own knowledge of a person (for example if you were reported for something, I'm going to base it not only on the report at hand, but my dealings with you throughout our stay here, which have been relatively pleasant, so a one off slip in my mind. For someone else, they might think you're a bit of a prick (I don't know, I'm making an example) and think this is far more than a one off and vote more harshly than myself) I have voted to ban people I consider friends, and I've voted no action on people I'd dearly love to never see again.