Prison Rape

[Endued]

if your in jail for being a rapist, you deserve it or even worse a child rapist/killer you should be raped. if its meaningless jail time then its wrong.

I see you're one of 'those' people.

 

[bigsmile]

Sorry, but what exactly poetic or just about a prison guard being raped by an inmate?



Where I'm from they do have special prisons / units within prisons for sex offenders. As far as I can work out it is not the sex offenders who rape other inmates in prison. I'm sure it happens, but that is not the general way of things. As I understand it it is violent offenders, such as but not limited to gang members, who practise rape in prison as a means of exercising control through fear and intimidation.

The idea that a rapist should be raped as part of the punishment for the crime is as abhorrent to me as the death sentence.

'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.' - Gandhi (et al)

Prisoners should be rehabilitated not brutalised, and if they can't be rehabilitated they should be contained civilly. Violence begets violence - brutalising people, whether with governmental / legal blessing or not only serves to make them more brutal themselves.

well guessing at what he means by "poetic justice"; clearly rape cannot go on without the assistance and approval of prison guards. indeed the guards and prison authorities are the ones "who practice rape in prison as a means of exercising control through fear and intimidation. so for them in turn to be victims of their own tool so to speak is like poetic justice. so strong is the control in prison that it not only extends to prisoners but guards as well. guards who disagree with and refuse to participate or allow barbaric treatment of prisoners are frequently abused and isolated by other guards and without backup eventually prisoners as well thus perpetuating the system.

 

[Titsdude21]

dont go to prison?

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if someone ever raped me i would put them through more hell then the human body was capable of living through.

 

[D_Phil_R_Upp]

I spoke with my friend today who is a counselor with the VA and M/M rape is also a big problem in the military. The perpetrator is almost always straight and it is a dominance as opposed to being a sex thing. Short, smaller guys have the greatest danger of encountering this.

This is slightly off-topic but I've read also that a lot of M/M sexual harrassment on the job happens for the same reasons.

It's almost never a gay manager, for example, telling his straight employee to put out or be fired, etc. It's usually the bigger guys harrassing smaller ones and more of, as CapitolHillguy said, a power issue.

This was the big case from several years back where a guy on a oil rig experienced that: Oncale v. Sundowner Offshore Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for prison rape, it's all been said upthread - despite a few porno movies (and Oz) suggesting otherwise, it's an unbearable situation and rape is not sex, it's violence. I love cock but I've also been forced into sex and there was nothing hot or beautiful about it.

 

[luvguyz]

I never understood the whole prison rape thing. If for instance you are a straight male in prison, why would you all of a sudden be willing to have gay sex with another guy just because you are bigger or stronger than him and horny ?? I would assume most of the guys would just jerk off.

Also, from time to time over the years, I have had people make the comment to me about how "wouldn't I love to be in prison because I'm gay". I HATE that. Some people assume that because you're gay you would welcome the notion of being raped in prison...and enjoy it! Has anyone else had this remark made to them?

 

[ManlyBanisters]

well guessing at what he means by "poetic justice"; clearly rape cannot go on without the assistance and approval of prison guards.

Really? All of them?

indeed the guards and prison authorities are the ones "who practice rape in prison as a means of exercising control through fear and intimidation.

Really? All of them?

so for them in turn to be victims of their own tool so to speak is like poetic justice. so strong is the control in prison that it not only extends to prisoners but guards as well. guards who disagree with and refuse to participate or allow barbaric treatment of prisoners are frequently abused and isolated by other guards and without backup eventually prisoners as well thus perpetuating the system.

I think you'll find that prison is not just like the movies or those stupid shock 'reality' shows. Prisons vary, greatly - as do prison guards and even *shock horror* prisoners.

 

[jpk338]

I think it is the worst thing a person can do to another person. I believe that it is worse than murder, because it takes away the victims sense of humanity. I also believe that it is impossible to control.

It's probably not a popular view, but I completely support the death penalty and if it were up to me, rape would be included as death penalty criteria.

i had a great friend murdered and the murderer is on death row.pumping iron ,happy etc and more bs. he hates blacks,calls them the n word and what i would want for him is all those guys in prison with him to rape the shit out of him. he didn;t care about my friends humanity why should i care about his
ps are there any videos on the topic

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

i had a great friend murdered and the murderer is on death row.pumping iron ,happy etc and more bs. he hates blacks,calls them the n word and what i would want for him is all those guys in prison with him to rape the shit out of him. he didn;t care about my friends humanity why should i care about his
ps are there any videos on the topic

Wow, that's a bleak.

 

[arkfarmbear]

I never understood the whole prison rape thing. If for instance you are a straight male in prison, why would you all of a sudden be willing to have gay sex with another guy just because you are bigger or stronger than him and horny ?? I would assume most of the guys would just jerk off.

Also, from time to time over the years, I have had people make the comment to me about how "wouldn't I love to be in prison because I'm gay". I HATE that. Some people assume that because you're gay you would welcome the notion of being raped in prison...and enjoy it! Has anyone else had this remark made to them?

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I think I've read reports that masturbating is a violation of the rules. If that is the case, it is one of the most stupid rules I've ever heard of.
I've also read/heard that some guys will misbehave to a point of being placed in solitary confinement in order to not be raped in the future.

 

[catman]

So are we to take it men only get raped by men with "large" penis's?

Goes back to the biblical days when men would rape other men (not 'gay') but to 'take them down a peg' and make them property...

Just to play devils advocate but you hear it's "okay" for....say pedophile, rapists and serial killers (not that they would be in the general prison population for them to be gang-raped, but 'not okay' for say....tax fraud, white collar and drunk drivers (who didn't kill people) to be gang raped?

If yes, who decides which is okay and not okay?

 

[Bbucko]

I find the continuation of this topic in the Sex With A Large Penis forum insanely insensitive. Can a mod please move it to Etc where it belongs?

OT: Rape is, as Max and others have pointed out already, an act of violence, not sex. As someone who has lived through sexual assault more than once, I know the difference. No matter how badly anyone has fucked up his/her life, no one "deserves" rape: the very concept is disturbing and deeply repellent.

 

[helgaleena]

Why is a rape thread allowed in the sex section? Why is it not moved or closed?


I have incarcerated loved ones and sometimes the abusers are staff members. It is not sex, it is violence and abuse. And yes, what it has to do with large penis or not is Nothing.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Seeing as Rape is not about sex, but about violence and power I think I'll tow this down here.

 

[luka82]

I believe all the info we have on this topic comes from very developed countries. But I do wonder what happens in the prisons of the third world. I have no idea about prison rapes here in Serbia. I believe it happens but prisoners never talk about it.

 

[Bbucko]

Seeing as Rape is not about sex, but about violence and power I think I'll tow this down here.

Thank you.

 

[maxcok]

Really? All of them?

Really? All of them?

I think you'll find that prison is not just like the movies or those stupid shock 'reality' shows. Prisons vary, greatly - as do prison guards and even *shock horror* prisoners.

MB, I don't claim to be an expert on this; my understanding comes from reading and listening to interviews with people who have studied the issue and people within the system.

Prisons in the US and attitudes toward the incarcerated here are different than in the UK as I percieve it. Prisons here are for the most part extremely overcrowded, often double their designed capacity or worse, and underfunded. This is due to "tough on crime" attitudes promoted by conservative politicians and their followers even for petty crimes, the "drug war", "three strikes" laws, "lock em up, throw away the key" etc. The concept of rehabilitation is stupidly seen as a liberal extravagance and largely derided and ignored.

[Aside: Edward Hall's seminal 1966 work The Hidden Dimension offers insight into how humans (and other creatures) relate to physical space and how they respond with anti-social behavior in overcrowded conditions. It's all entirely predictable.]

Though it may not be a matter of policy to allow rape to take place, administrators and guards in particular often turn a blind eye. Allowing this internal hierarcy and perverted measure of control to persist among the inmates makes it easier for guards in a near impossible situation to maintain control over the population, many of whom view the incarcerated as scum and deserving of the abuse. So while it may not be officially sanctioned, bigsmile is not far off in his observations. Sadly so.

It is an endemic problem, largely unnoticed and widely ignored.

 

[maxcok]

i had a great friend murdered and the murderer is on death row.pumping iron ,happy etc and more bs. he hates blacks,calls them the n word and what i would want for him is all those guys in prison with him to rape the shit out of him. he didn;t care about my friends humanity why should i care about his
ps are there any videos on the topic

What sort of videos are you looking for exactly, and for what purpose?

Thank you.

+1

 

[bigsmile]

MB, I don't claim to be an expert on this; my understanding comes from reading and listening to interviews with people who have studied the issue and people within the system.

Prisons in the US and attitudes toward the incarcerated here are different than in the UK as I percieve it. Prisons here are for the most part extremely overcrowded, often double their designed capacity or worse, and underfunded. This is due to "tough on crime" attitudes promoted by conservative politicians and their followers even for petty crimes, the "drug war", "three strikes" laws, "lock em up, throw away the key" etc. The concept of rehabilitation is stupidly seen as a liberal extravagance and largely derided and ignored.

[Aside: Edward Hall's seminal 1966 work The Hidden Dimension offers insight into how humans (and other creatures) relate to physical space and how they respond with anti-social behavior in overcrowded conditions. It's all entirely predictable.]

Though it may not be a matter of policy to allow rape to take place, administrators and guards in particular often turn a blind eye. Allowing this internal hierarcy and perverted measure of control to persist among the inmates makes it easier for guards in a near impossible situation to maintain control over the population, many of whom view the incarcerated as scum and deserving of the abuse. So while it may not be officially sanctioned, bigsmile is not far off in his observations. Sadly so.

It is an endemic problem, largely unnoticed and widely ignored.

Exactly thank you Max. It also bears mentioning that even when prisons are erected outside of the U.S. by U.S. institutions, Abu Gharib for example,
sexual abuse as a means of demeaning and controlling the prison populace becomes wide spread. Thus the conclusion that these are at least defacto methods within the cannons of U.S. penology.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

MB, I don't claim to be an expert on this; my understanding comes from reading and listening to interviews with people who have studied the issue and people within the system.

Prisons in the US and attitudes toward the incarcerated here are different than in the UK as I percieve it. Prisons here are for the most part extremely overcrowded, often double their designed capacity or worse, and underfunded. This is due to "tough on crime" attitudes promoted by conservative politicians and their followers even for petty crimes, "three strikes" laws, "lock em up, throw away the key" etc. The concept of rehabilitation is stupidly seen as a liberal extravagance and largely derided and ignored.

[Aside: Edward Hall's seminal 1966 work The Hidden Dimension offers insight into how humans (and other creatures) relate to physical space and how they respond with anti-social behavior in overcrowded conditions. It's all entirely predictable.]

Though it may not be a matter of policy to allow rape to take place, administrators and guards in particular often turn a blind eye. Allowing this internal hierarcy and perverted measure of control to persist among the inmates makes it easier for guards in a near impossible situation to maintain control over the population, many of whom view the incarcerated as scum and deserving of the abuse. So while it may not be officially sanctioned, bigsmile is not far off in his observations. Sadly so.

It is an endemic problem, largely unnoticed and widely ignored.

In fact it's endemic to prison systems around the world. The UK and Ireland no less than any other countries prison system's are rife with sexual violence much of which is either reported to and not properly investigated by prison authorities and therefore not included in official figures or is simple not reported at all, because of shame, humilation and the feeling that the prison system isn't interested.


Having family members and friends who have served time in prisons mostly in Britain and with whom I have had the opportunity to discuss these issues I can say that the deep psychological trauma caused by sexual violence and other forms of violence which go uninvestigated and un-prosecuted contributes to the brutalisation of many men who might otherwise have left prison and not gone on to commit lots of kinds of violent crime, most of which are the result of or connected to unresolved traumatic stress and abuse psychologies.


Prisons become engines of violence, they take in men who in many cases already have problems with violence, and they subject them to a crash course in how to become a sociopathic monster including lessons in sexual humiliation, sexual assault as a weapon of power and extreme violence of all kinds as the common currency of daily life.

 

[maxcok]

Prisons become engines of violence, they take in men who in many cases already have problems with violence, and they subject them to a crash course in how to become a sociopathic monster including lessons in sexual humiliation, sexual assault as a weapon of power and extreme violence of all kinds as the common currency of daily life.

Not only that, but prisons are Ivy League Universities for advanced learning in criminal enterprise, and a professional networking organization to connect with other criminals and assorted sociopaths. Most prisoners are destined to be released at some point, whether people like it or not. They are returned to the street without having undergone any rehabilition, with low job skills, back to the living conditions and the poverty that is often a contributing factor that landed them there in the first place. Only now they are pissed off at the system, they have new 'friends' on the inside and the outside, and they are unemployable due to their criminal record. And people wonder why there are repeat offenders. :rolleyes2:

It's a self-defeating solution and colossally stupid for a society intent on reducing crime.