Prison Rape

[maxcok]

For your consideration:

The United States of America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Though home to a little less than 5% of the world’s population, the US holds 25% of the world’s prisoners.[4]

According to a US Department of Justice report published in 2006, over 7.2 million people were at that time in prison, on probation, or on parole. That means roughly 1 in every 32 Americans are held by the justice system.[5][6] According to the International Centre of Prison Studies at King’s College London, of that 7.2 million, 2.3 million are in prison. The People's Republic of China comes in second place with 1.6 million, despite its population being over four times that of the United States.

Not only does the United States have the highest number of inmates, it is number one in highest incarceration rates as well. The United States has about 751 people in prison for every 100,000 in population.[2] In comparison to other industrialized nations, Russia comes in 2nd with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 in population.

Among the prisoners, drug offenders made up the same percentage of State prisoners in both 1997 and 2004 (21%). The percentage of Federal prisoners serving time for drug offenses declined from 63% in 1997 to 55% in 2004.[7]

In 2010, it was announced the U.S. State prison population had fallen for the first time in 38 years.

United States incarceration rate - Wiki​

Incarceration in the United States - Wiki​

US Department of Justice - Bureau of Justice Statistics​

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Not only that, but prisons are Ivy League Universities for advanced learning in criminal enterprise, and a professional networking organization to connect with other criminals and assorted sociopaths. Most prisoners are destined to be released at some point, whether people like it or not. They are returned to the street without having undergone any rehabilition, with low job skills, back to the living conditions and the poverty that is often a contributing factor that landed them there in the first place. Only now they are pissed off at the system, they have new 'friends' on the inside and the outside, and they are unemployable due to their criminal record. And people wonder why there are repeat offenders. :rolleyes2:

It's self defeating solution and colossally stupid for a society intent on reducing crime.

There's even more too it, the figures show that people from ethnic or racial minorities, and from lower socio-economic backgrounds are much more likely to serve longer custodial sentences and in higher security prisons where they are more likely to suffer more extreme violence including sexual violence, and than those from higher socio-economic backgrounds or majority ethnic or racial groups convicted of the same crimes.

They are also more likely to be commited to mental health insitutions and recieve diagnoses as violently and extremely mentally ill when their white (for instance) middle class analogue convicted of exactly the same kinds of crime and of the same gravity are less likely to be treated in this way. The amount of sexual violence which occurs in mental health institutions for people suffering with extreme mental illness is as you can imagine pretty high too.

What this does is reinforce social hierarchies and racial and ethnic divisions, with violence and injustice which causes knock on social problems which can last generations.

 

[maxcok]

There's even more too it, the figures show that people from ethnic or racial minorities, and from lower socio-economic backgrounds are much more likely to serve longer custodial sentences and in higher security prisons . . .

Quelle surprise, eh?

 

[helgaleena]

Prisoners are used as a sort of 'slave labor'. They are required to work at some sort of job if they have no outside means of paying for things when imprisoned. They are paid nearly nothing. I suspect that is the reason for the institution flourishing. There are also monopolies on those who supply inmates with toiletries, snacks, electric devices like TVs and headphones, underwear, etc. as well as collect calling services to loved ones.

The prisons are a captive market as well as workforce. It is like each one is a company town, with two levels: the townspeople it employs as staff and the inmates and their loved ones who must jump through the economic hoops of regulations.

In my state these develop into 'prison towns' and certain counties are full of them.

 

[arkfarmbear]

Seeing as Rape is not about sex, but about violence and power I think I'll tow this down here.

What happens when you "tow this down here"? I understand those who think it should be moved to another area but I hope "towing it down" does not mean deleting it.
Obviously there is a lot of interest in the topic. Even the negative posts are educational.
Our government is finally taking meaningful steps to eliminate the problem. They haven't done much yet, but, it gives me hope and confidence.
Therefore, since it is a topic that is of national and international interest if you delete it you are doing a disservice to the membership and those in the society at large who are victims of rape.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

What happens when you "tow this down here"? I understand those who think it should be moved to another area but I hope "towing it down" does not mean deleting it.

He moves it from Sex with a Large Penis down to the Et Cetera forum, which is towards the bottom of the index page.

 

[helgaleena]

What happens when you "tow this down here"? I understand those who think it should be moved to another area but I hope "towing it down" does not mean deleting it.

Hilaire is a mod and he moved the thread. My last post is a speculation about why incarceration is a big business in some parts of our great land.

Oops, someone answered faster!

 

[arkfarmbear]

Does anyone know anything about criminal acts of boys who were raped by pedophile priests?

 

[helgaleena]

Does anyone know anything about criminal acts of boys who were raped by pedophile priests?

Yes, raping boys is a criminal act. ... The Church does not chastise the priests, though. It merely reassigns them. It is up to the victims to prosecute.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

What happens when you "tow this down here"? I understand those who think it should be moved to another area but I hope "towing it down" does not mean deleting it.
Obviously there is a lot of interest in the topic. Even the negative posts are educational.
Our government is finally taking meaningful steps to eliminate the problem. They haven't done much yet, but, it gives me hope and confidence.
Therefore, since it is a topic that is of national and international interest if you delete it you are doing a disservice to the membership and those in the society at large who are victims of rape.

To tow means to drag or draw something it's common lingo on boards like these to describe moving a thread from one forum to another.


I posted in the thread about the issue, why would I be in the business of deleting it for god's sake? I think it's a really interesting thread and anyway that kind of decision would be made by the entire team, and since this thread is perfectly innocuous and of a worthy nature I highly doubt it will be brought to Moderator attention.

Is it really necessary to read dire meaning into anything I say just because I have Moderator written under my avatar?

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Is it really necessary to read dire meanign in to anything I say just because I have Moderator written under my avatar?

Pssst.
Trick question, arkfarmbear.
He'll strike you dayd.

 

[maxcok]

Is it really necessary to read dire meaning into anything I say just because I have Moderator written under my avatar?

I think you're drunk with power. :scared1:

 

[arkfarmbear]

Yes, raping boys is a criminal act. ... The Church does not chastise the priests, though. It merely reassigns them. It is up to the victims to prosecute.

My question was about criminal histories of the victims when they become adults.
I know the Catholic church, all the way up to the Pope, does very little in the way of punishing the priests. I know it is a crime and the victim has the legal right to bring charges against the perpetrator. My personal opinion is that the Catholic church is one of the most evil, criminal organizations on earth. It is a scourge. How it dupes millions into believing it somehow represents Jesus' and his teachings is astonishing!
The victims are usually emotionally damaged. I was asking if there are studies/reports/statistics about whether or not they have a history of criminal acts.

 

[kake_or_death]

According to a very good friend (who is now back in prison) the actual occurrence of prison rape is frequent - none. Whatever one may think of the nations prison population the ethics within are pretty straight forward regarding child-molesters, snitches, and rapists, they either PC up or get stabbed. There are more than enough guys within who are WILLING to service someone who wants it, that there is no reason to try and force it to happen. This info comes from my "brother" who has been locked up from age 14 - 32. We have engaged in just fuckin around (j/o together, hand job), so i know it isn't a question of his being ashamed to tell me if he'd done something, and his a BIG BOY and i don't think that anyone was "forcing him".

 

[curioustitan]

if your in jail for being a rapist, you deserve it or even worse a child rapist/killer you should be raped. if its meaningless jail time then its wrong

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I don't quite agree with this point... I have to fall in line with the reasoning of manlybannisters..

The idea that a rapist should be raped as part of the punishment for the crime is as abhorrent to me as the death sentence.

'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.' - Gandhi (et al)

Prisoners should be rehabilitated not brutalised, and if they can't be rehabilitated they should be contained civilly. Violence begets violence - brutalising people, whether with governmental / legal blessing or not only serves to make them more brutal themselves.

However, having said that, i do struggle to find sympathy and compassion for convicted serial rapists, child molestors and the like when they find themselves on the (what can only be described as Kharmic) receiving end!!
But to further MB's Ghandi quote ... "become the change you wish to see in the world"... Yet another reason to try to find forgiveness for those sex offenders (who more often than not were victims of such crimes in their youth - continuous vicious cycle)
My younger sister is currently embroiled in a legal battle with the husbad of my middle sister (my brother-in-law) in which he has been accused of molesting her... when she was 14... She is now 16 and the case is ongoing with no definitive outcome. Since there was no proof when this was reported... it's become a case of her word against his.
To get back to topic.... if he were incarcerated and ultimately raped... -as they seem to also target sex offenders- I don't know if i have it in me to feel pity regardless of my firm stance against such an abhorrent act...

P.S... My middle sister is in full support of her husband and has disowned my little sister, my mother and myself....in favour of-what i suspect to be her real motivation- a more comfortable life.... (he is wealthy)

"i love sam_solo26"

 

[arkfarmbear]

To tow means to drag or draw something it's common lingo on boards like these to describe moving a thread from one forum to another.


I posted in the thread about the issue, why would I be in the business of deleting it for god's sake? I think it's a really interesting thread and anyway that kind of dicission would be made by the entire team, and since this thread is perfectly innocuous and of a worthy nature I highly doubt it will be brought to Moderator attention.

Is it really necessary to read dire meaning into anything I say just because I have Moderator written under my avatar?

I base my beliefs on the reported actions by moderators in the past. I sometimes read portions of the forum from many years back. There are frequent charges that the moderators have operated in a whimsical, inconsistent, biased, arrogant and heavy-handed manner.
I don't know that any of the incidents involved you and if you have clean hands then please accept my apologies.
I think it always wise to question the motives of those in power, regardless of the where they operate.

 

[curioustitan]

Is it really necessary to read dire meaning into anything I say just because I have Moderator written under my avatar?

Nope but i wouldn't cross you... or your beautifully fragranced pits....(what are you smelling of currently LOL!!) for fear of "thesaurus" induced rebuttals and reprisals....

"i love sam_solo26"

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Pssst.
Trick question, arkfarmbear.
He'll strike you dayd.

I base my beliefs on the reported actions by moderators in the past. I sometimes read portions of the forum from many years back. There are frequent charges that the moderators have operated in a whimsical, inconsistent, biased, arrogant and heavy-handed manner.
I don't know that any of the incidents involved you and if you have clean hands then please accept my apologies.
I think it always wise to question the motives of those in power, regardless of the where they operate.

I became a moderator like a couple of weeks ago. And instead of making wild presumptions about me on that basis you might have bothered to read my other posts in this thread. Accusing me of doing rape victims a disservice was a nice touch too.

Arrogance much?

 

[arkfarmbear]

I'm also opposed to segregating former law enforcement people when they are convicted of a crime and sentenced to prison. Yes, I know they are in danger if in the general population but giving them preferential treatment is a crime in itself.
Most of them have little sympathy or compassion for criminals they've sent to prison. Moreover, they should be held to a much higher standard than other people. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Don't they use that little ditty when talking about "real" criminals?
Don't they also joke about inmates being raped?

 

[helgaleena]

I became a moderator like a couple of weeks ago. And instead of making wild presumptions about me on that basis you might have bothered to read my other posts in this thread. Accusing me of doing rape victims a disservice was a nice touch too.

Arrogance much?

Congrats on stepping up to one of the thankless jobs around here, hilaire. I was surprised to see your shiny mod badge.