Privitazation, Corporate Greed: the real redistribution!

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One day Australia is going to sink. It's because of people like Gina, her birth rite was to be the daughter of Lang Hancock. She has done nothing in this life except perpetuate greed. The richest woman in the world.

The same as Clive Palmer, both miners extrordinaire. Making billions for what? Digging holes and selling soil to other energy starved nations. Your nation is suffering from the same issues. How come we are told we are one of the richest nations on Earth, but yet more and more of us need to shop at the cheapest outlets for produce from other nations we sell our raw materials to?

Australia will sink because the wealthy will dig a hole through it's heart.

I do not believe the waffle, and never have.
 
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Unions serve no real purpose in today's modern society. Some of today's most successful companies ones that we all use Apple, Facebook, Twitter etc do not have a unionized workforce. Their employees are happy and enjoy working there and we are all buying their products or using their service.
 

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Unions serve no real purpose in today's modern society. Some of today's most successful companies ones that we all use Apple, Facebook, Twitter etc do not have a unionized workforce. Their employees are happy and enjoy working there and we are all buying their products or using their service.

Real wages have declined along with union power and membership and economic inequality is at its worst since the gilded age.

Apple outsources its manufacturing to some very very shady suppliers. To say they are happy is quite misguided.
 

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Do you own an Apple product, do you use Facebook? The vast majority of US Apple works enjoy working there. No one can speak for the manufactures in China or other countries. And who are you to say they are very shady, really do you know them or did you hear something over the internet and now want to push a narrative of fact. Please come on now.

As for the Walmart workers if YOU DON'T LIKE WORKING THERE FIND A NEW JOB THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOVERNMENT PAID EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS TO help with reeducating oneself. What is with people today, really quit complaining and bitching. I don't care that you feel you don't make enough money ya so who cares go find a new job. I don't feel like paying for their lazy ass with their 10 f-ing kids with 5 different baby daddies.
 

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Do you own an Apple product, do you use Facebook? The vast majority of US Apple works enjoy working there. No one can speak for the manufactures in China or other countries. And who are you to say they are very shady, really do you know them or did you hear something over the internet and now want to push a narrative of fact. Please come on now.

As for the Walmart workers if YOU DON'T LIKE WORKING THERE FIND A NEW JOB THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOVERNMENT PAID EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS TO help with reeducating oneself. What is with people today, really quit complaining and bitching. I don't care that you feel you don't make enough money ya so who cares go find a new job. I don't feel like paying for their lazy ass with their 10 f-ing kids with 5 different baby daddies.

The case of Foxconn for example is well known outside of America. Apple is a serial offender. I've seen a lot of these 'manufacturing zones' in the developing world personally.

Your second paragraph isn't worth a response.
 

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As for the Walmart workers if YOU DON'T LIKE WORKING THERE FIND A NEW JOB THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOVERNMENT PAID EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS TO help with reeducating oneself. What is with people today, really quit complaining and bitching. I don't care that you feel you don't make enough money ya so who cares go find a new job. I don't feel like paying for their lazy ass with their 10 f-ing kids with 5 different baby daddies.

Your response is more emotional than reasoned. As underguy pointed out, wages have declined and economic inequality has increased nationwide (and globally). The problem is systemic, and needs to be addressed in those terms.

Simply telling people to "get a job"--to compete for ever-dwindling opportunities--isn't sufficient.
 
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So the guys that developed Snap Chat they had an unfair advantage? How about the guys at Groupon unfair? Or Google unfair? I think not, difference is rather than wallow in their own self pity and the pity of others they took risks, seized opportunities and made opportunities to become rich.

Entrepreneurship is at an all time high since we began tracking back in 1999 U.S. Entrepreneurship Hits Record High - Forbes.

Self made millionaires are on the rise of which the vast majority are first generation millionaires. Don't tell me there is not opportunity, one just has to seek it out it does not drop from the sky upon ones head.

The reason we have economic inequality is because there is a large fraction of a political party that relays on the "poor" vote. So in order to keep their political position they create, propose, vote and pass legislation to keep people poor. By way of example Medicare, Medicare, Welfare, Food Stamps all are littered beyond belief with fraud but why does one party continue to stand in the way of reforms???????

So if this is the system that you say needs fixing then I'M ALL IN.
 

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So the guys that developed Snap Chat they had an unfair advantage? How about the guys at Groupon unfair? Or Google unfair? I think not, difference is rather than wallow in their own self pity and the pity of others they took risks, seized opportunities and made opportunities to become rich.

Entrepreneurship is at an all time high since we began tracking back in 1999 U.S. Entrepreneurship Hits Record High - Forbes.

Self made millionaires are on the rise of which the vast majority are first generation millionaires. Don't tell me there is not opportunity, one just has to seek it out it does not drop from the sky upon ones head.

The reason we have economic inequality is because there is a large fraction of a political party that relays on the "poor" vote. So in order to keep their political position they create, propose, vote and pass legislation to keep people poor. By way of example Medicare, Medicare, Welfare, Food Stamps all are littered beyond belief with fraud but why does one party continue to stand in the way of reforms???????

So if this is the system that you say needs fixing then I'M ALL IN.

Social spending does not make anyone poor. You are very confused.
 

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Not true, lets say you make $100,000 per year and pay 20% in taxes that's $20,000. With me? Now lets say that of that $20K in taxes 10% or $2,000 is going to social programs the person earning that $100k is $2,000 poorer due to social programs. And by the way no one takes into account that the person earning the $100k may have 3 kids, that go to private school, their food budget, household costs etc the 10% is just taken like a thief in the night.

What is even more interesting is that statically, Republicans / Conservatives give (donate) more than democrats or liberals. So given the opportunity liberals are more likely to wait for the government to "handout" than to donate some of their money. So the group that pushes this social agenda are cheap, not willing to really help anyone, and are truly just about lip service and no real action.

Who is for a Flat Tax? That would a good start to fixing a whole bunch of issues.
 

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Not true, lets say you make $100,000 per year and pay 20% in taxes that's $20,000. With me? Now lets say that of that $20K in taxes 10% or $2,000 is going to social programs the person earning that $100k is $2,000 poorer due to social programs. And by the way no one takes into account that the person earning the $100k may have 3 kids, that go to private school, their food budget, household costs etc the 10% is just taken like a thief in the night.

What is even more interesting is that statically, Republicans / Conservatives give (donate) more than democrats or liberals. So given the opportunity liberals are more likely to wait for the government to "handout" than to donate some of their money. So the group that pushes this social agenda are cheap, not willing to really help anyone, and are truly just about lip service and no real action.

Who is for a Flat Tax? That would a good start to fixing a whole bunch of issues.

Government spending is private sector income. It adds to private sector financial assets.

Flat taxes are madness. You have massive wealth inequality already. That's a bad thing for any society.
 

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Government spending is private sector income, so I guess I am private sector. Ya so what it does not change the fact that I am poorer due to Government Social Programs.

Flat tax is madness.... Interesting perspective its the most fair way for everyone to pay wait for it wait... wait..... wait "THEIR FAIR SHARE." Instituting a Flat Tax would close many if not all of the tax loopholes that exist and those truly mean, greedy wealthy people would be forced to pay the same amount as the rest.

Or is your argument that we are not an equal society and those that simply have more should be forced to pay more. If that is so that is exactly the problem, forcing those that have means to pay for those that either don't or are too lazy only perpetuates the existing inequalities and stupid political arguments that keep MSNBC afloat.

Don't over analyze the problem some of the most successful people have taken a complex problem, simplified it and created a solution. Why in the hell can't we do the same with our economy. Oh ya then what would we do with all the excess politicians. I guess they could sweep streets, pick up public parks, work at Walmart who knows more importantly who the F*&K cares.
 

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Government spending is private sector income, so I guess I am private sector. Ya so what it does not change the fact that I am poorer due to Government Social Programs.

Flat tax is madness.... Interesting perspective its the most fair way for everyone to pay wait for it wait... wait..... wait "THEIR FAIR SHARE." Instituting a Flat Tax would close many if not all of the tax loopholes that exist and those truly mean, greedy wealthy people would be forced to pay the same amount as the rest.

Or is your argument that we are not an equal society and those that simply have more should be forced to pay more. If that is so that is exactly the problem, forcing those that have means to pay for those that either don't or are too lazy only perpetuates the existing inequalities and stupid political arguments that keep MSNBC afloat.

Don't over analyze the problem some of the most successful people have taken a complex problem, simplified it and created a solution. Why in the hell can't we do the same with our economy. Oh ya then what would we do with all the excess politicians. I guess they could sweep streets, pick up public parks, work at Walmart who knows more importantly who the F*&K cares.

Without government spending you'd have no money and no income.

Viewing tax as a burden that all should share equally is wrong headed.

Flat tax isn't a solution to any real problem.

Depression level unemployment, low real wages and increasing poverty won't be solved by giving billionaires more.

People are unemployed because there aren't enough jobs. There aren't enough jobs because people aren't spending. People aren't spending because their wages are too low in comparison to the cost of living. Jobs are disappearing because business sees no future demand.

It's a deflationary spiral. Get it?

The key to fixing the economy is jobs.
 

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You are really confused. Do you live in a bubble or in the mountains some where?? Without government spending I would have no money is that so hmmmmm. Not sure how to respond to that its too stupid to even think about. There is nothing the government does that private sector can't do better, more cost efficiently and faster.

Tax is a burden that everyone should contribute to. Again seriously so only the millionaires and billionaires should be responsible to pay for everyone. Do you live in Colorado? Have you been smoking some of that herb? Millionaires and billionaires currently pay over 80% of the tax bill as it stands now.

People are unemployed for a number of reasons some due to not enough jobs, laziness, to much government intervention, etc.

And thank you for making my point again ":people aren't spending" your right because a large portion of income "EARNED" NOT GIVEN salary is TAKEN from in the form of taxes before I can even spend a penny.
 

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You are really confused. Do you live in a bubble or in the mountains some where?? Without government spending I would have no money is that so hmmmmm. Not sure how to respond to that its too stupid to even think about. There is nothing the government does that private sector can't do better, more cost efficiently and faster.

Tax is a burden that everyone should contribute to. Again seriously so only the millionaires and billionaires should be responsible to pay for everyone. Do you live in Colorado? Have you been smoking some of that herb? Millionaires and billionaires currently pay over 80% of the tax bill as it stands now.

People are unemployed for a number of reasons some due to not enough jobs, laziness, to much government intervention, etc.

And thank you for making my point again ":people aren't spending" your right because a large portion of income "EARNED" NOT GIVEN salary is TAKEN from in the form of taxes before I can even spend a penny.

Where do you think dollars come from?

Do you really think giving already wealthy people more is going to help? The rich are rich because they take more than they spend thereby removing spending power from the economy.

There are very many things government can do better, more efficiently and cheaper than the private sector.

And every dollar the government spends goes directly into the private sector.
 

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Using Boeing as an example of corporate greed is a little dumb. First, Boeing's top executives all make tens of millions of dollars and like virtually any leadership at Fortune 100 companies are significantly overpaid imo. Yes, it's also true they initiated a $10 billion stock buyback and their stock is at an all time high.

However, that all pales in comparison to Boeing's nearly $70 billion (and growing) pension liability which is one of the largest in corporate America. Since many of Boeing's Seattle unionized employees have pensions, Boeing is more than happy to get up and out of there to get away from that dark cloud. Pensions are a way of the past and are virtually always unsustainable, Boeing being no different. Boeing's offer was simply to get rid of the pensions or we will build our new plane elsewhere (over 20+ states submitted proposals to the company to incentive Boeing to build the 777x plane not in Seattle).

All this nonsense about these guys losing other benefits is nothing. Boeing's benefits are almost as good as any company or the public sector. They will literally pay for all your education, the 401k plan is very good, annual raises regardless of performance, the rise in medical expenses is most likely having your monthly premium rise from $10 to $30 or some similarly very low number, etc. I have experience working in the govt contractor industry and I can tell you companies like Boeing offer significantly better benefits than your average company. And I'd have to think the unionized employees have even better benefits than the non-unionized ones. I say that because I read the unionized employees there reach the top of the pay scale in 6 years which is crazy and each employee get a $15k bonus just for signing the new agreement. So who knows what other nice perks they are also getting.

I'm sympathetic towards unions, and even certain elements of the Machinist Union in Seattle, but this is all about the pensions. Boeing's executive could work for free and they would still be facing massive problems down the road with pensions.