Proof that Obama is not only a socialist, but Carter 2.0

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  1. SpoLLe

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    Obama proposes $1,000 emergency rebate checks

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday pushed for a windfall profits tax to fund $1,000 emergency rebate checks for consumers besieged by high energy costs, a counter to Republican rival John McCain's call for more offshore drilling in coastal states like Florida.

    The pitch for putting some of the economic burden of $4-a-gallon gasoline on the oil industry served a dual purpose for Obama: It allowed him to talk up an economic issue, seen by many as a strength for Democrats and a weakness for Republicans, and at the same time respond to criticism from McCain that Obama's opposition to offshore drilling leads to higher prices at the pump.

    In linking McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama struck a theme from Ronald Reagan's successful 1980 campaign against President Jimmy Carter by asking a town-hall audience in St. Petersburg: "Do you think you are better off than you were four years ago or eight years ago? If you aren't better off, can you afford another four years?"

    Obama primed the crowd by noting new government figures showing 51,000 jobs lost last month and citing 460,000 jobs lost over the last seven months. He tied other bad economic news from the Bush administration to McCain and offered his energy program as one route to relief.

    "This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said during a two-day campaign swing in Florida. "It will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills, or even to pay down your own debt."

    McCain was in Florida, too, speaking to the National Urban League's annual conference and criticizing Obama as not supportive of education initiatives that would help underprivileged students. Obama was scheduled to address the predominantly black group on Saturday.

    The candidates entered Florida as a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday showed the race there essentially tied, with Obama at 46 percent and McCain at 44 percent. The poll also showed that McCain had gained strength with independents over the last month, holding a 46-41 lead in July compared to a 47-37 Obama advantage in June.

    Florida has been a heartbreaker for Democrats since they lost the state — and the presidency — to George W. Bush by 537 votes in the disputed 2000 election and by more than 380,000 votes in 2004. The state elected a Republican governor in 2006, a rare bright spot for the GOP that year.

    Although Obama has opened seven offices in Florida, McCain has 35 there, illustrating the GOP's conviction that it cannot afford to lose Florida's 27 electoral votes in November.

    McCain's campaign gained a head start over the Obama effort in the state thanks to its presidential primary early this year. The Arizona senator topped his GOP rivals — and effectively vanquished from the race former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani — with the help of Gov. Charlie Crist, now considered a possible running mate for McCain.

    Obama and other Democrats refused to campaign for Florida's convention delegates when its primary moved ahead of other nominating contests on the calendar in violation of party rules. His main opponent, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, won only a hollow victory there because seating its delegation became embroiled in a dispute she later lost.

    Energy issues could motivate Florida voters. The Quinnipiac poll showed six in 10 respondents backing Bush's call for more offshore drilling and wanting Congress to go along. At the same time, about a third of those polled favored Obama's energy policies over McCain's, with another third undecided between the two.

    In St. Petersburg, Obama occasionally struggled to make his point before a boisterous crowd. Demonstrators in the audience demanded that he address minority issues, waving a banner saying "What about the black community, Obama." He countered that he pushed for a racial profiling law as a state legislator, then turned attention back to the economy with a focus on McCain.
     
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    Wow, this is great. I think people are slowly beginning to really see Obama for what he is. I haven't quite put my finger on it, but his dishonesty and lack of integrity bespeak devilish intentions. I just hope enough people get the wakeup call before we lose what moral footing we have left.
     
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    im so fuckin sick of even seeing or hearing the name "obama" FUCK OBAMA>>> FUCK MCCAIN>> IM SICK OF THE WHOLE DAMN THING!
    FUCK THEM ALL!
     
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    SO im guessing you're voting for Nader? :biggrin1:
     
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    entirely possible

    as a Pew poll pointed out, Obama has failed to increase the numbers of support

    given how close their respective numbers are, the currently undecided will determine the winner

    the more they get to see of this fellow, perhaps the better McCain will look
     
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    That's the case for me; I'd have voted for Obama if he'd never revealed elements of his policy. When he was just talking out his ass about feelgood "change" "unity" and whatnot I thought he might actually embody them. Now that he's revealing his plan to implement these vague values, it becomes apparent that it's not only business as usual, not only relatively far left-wing politics, but somewhat bass ackwards. Let's fight the economic crunch by penalizing corporations and increasing regulation. That'll win jobs and ease energy concerns.
     
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    Carter 2.0 > Bush 3.0. Nuff said.
     
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    To be perfectly clear...to equate McCain to Bush, or to simply assume that ALL republicans are equal and interchangable is to ignorant of facts. McCains voting record is one of going against his party's grain, bucking with tradition, and being consistent in his convictions.
     
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    You might want to use a better news source. The latest I read indicated full delegations of FL and MI are being seated AND Clinton has been added to the nomination for posterity at the convention.

    Keep spinning... if nothing changes from where it is now, Obama will have 390 electoral votes in the general; that's a mini-landslide, btw. The Obama bounce from the DNC convention may very well send McCain to no-man's land. This election now rests on the VEEPstakes.

    McCain could win, but only if his War policy chages (hahahha). After the Georgia bullshit this week and McCain's tie to it, the U.S is seeing once again what a war-monger the man is.
     
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    First of all, some time ago the conservatives left the GOP and went libertarian. The GOP is not conservative anymore; in much the same way that the far left are no longer Dems (ala Ralph Nader).

    McCain's voting record against the grain are in areas that have no impact on the election. McCain's voting record in lockstep with Bush on the current war, Iran, Georgia and energy are exactly the link that has been made and will continue to be made. These are the issues that will swing the election.

    McCain = Bush 3.0 and that's an upgrade the majority of American will reject in November.

    It would however, require a "suspension of disbelief" (thanks Hillary) to draw a link between Obama and Carter. It's simply without merit and laughable.
     
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    Interesting post wispandex. I'm a bit vague on the political scene. :) I would also like "to really see Obama for what he is". Can you please fill in the gaps? I understand you can't quite put your finger on it, but can you give at least one example of his dishonesty and lack of integrity?

    Hi Nick...Are you suggesting that the best way to achieve success is not through merit, but through subterfuge? lol...maybe not subterfuge, but are you really proud that your candidate is worthy only because you found, or will find a way to make his opponent seem worse?

    Can you please expound on McCains voting record and his convictions? Examples would be appreciated.
     
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    Laughable. Just insanely laughable.
    So, instead of supplying consumers with financial aid to help pay for the increasing value of oil while continuing the search for alternative fuel sources, you'd rather let the rich get even richer by digging up more oil and keeping the prices up? It's not as if the bottom line is going to drop even if we started digging on our own shores. You can bet that Oil companies will find other crazy excuses to justify the exuberant prices. And with McCain in office, you can bet that the price gouging of oil will continue to go unchecked or examined by our government. But of course, we can look forward to getting more of those $300 stimulus checks that most people are STILL waiting for. Some of which will never get because they already owe the government for defaulted student & home loans (hello, Sallie & Fannie Mae).

    Seriously, you anti-Obama fans have to do better than this. Comparing him to Carter, who BTW was nowhere near being the worse president we've ever had in history, is just not going to cut it.
     
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    No, he wasn't nearly the worst, but the comparison is not based on "worst president EVA!" bullshit. Rather, we are in a similar stagflation situation, fueled by spiraling energy costs, and Obama is suggesting similar contractionary economic policies. Which backfired completely in the late 70s and cost Carter reelection.

    Agree with the statement or not, but the comparison is situational, not purely on Carter's sucking. Just like the McCain/Bush comparo is based on a couple dead ringers, since the two are obviously vastly different in political position.
     
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    Emergency rebate checks for consumers a "socialist plot"?? My my...

    Funny how we didn't think the President's 2008 "Economic Stimulus" Package a "commie plot".

    Amazing what two-faced sobs some can be.
     
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    That's fine. But some people are just focused on one isolated issue regarding energy and fuel costs and trying to make it the "deal breaker" when it comes to Obama's stance on the subject. Who cares if Obama's plan shares similarities to Carter? What happened nearly 30 years ago doesn't mean it's going to happen again. At least he's trying to create a situation that not only solves the immediate problem, but also puts into place a solution that may fix it long term. If anything, we know that if McCain is in office that no real push for alternative energy sources will be made. That money will be spent on the war for he's already stated that he plans to stay in Iraq as long as it takes and doesn't have any real plans to get our troops back home in a timely fashion. Agree with this kind of logic or not, but at least I'm trying to look at things from every angle and not just because Obama is suggesting a policy that is similar to a past president that people may or may not like.

    McCain may not be Bush 2.0. Obama may not be Carter 2.0 as well. But regardless of these shallow comparisons, where they stand on serious issues is cut and dry and that shouldn't distract anyone from making a proper choice in November.
     
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    Go Obama! Yeah, we're gonna have a mixed-race president, get used to it all you racist, conservative bigots.:tongue:
     
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    Interchangeable they are. If you think an individuals personal beliefs mean more than the 'D' or 'R' after their name then you haven't been paying attention.

    Also I wish people would look up the word 'socialism' and it's meaning and then link those to Obama's positions. It shouldn't be so easy to laugh you guys off.

    so·cial·ism (sō'shə-lĭz'əm) [​IMG]
    n.
    1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
    2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

    socialism: Definition and Much More from Answers.com
     
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    I think (or perhaps foolishly hope against people's partisan villification) that most realize that Obama is not a true socialist, or that he at least pragmatically can't be or expect such views to pass Congress. To deny that is one of the most economically left-wing candidates in the major parties' history is patently foolish.

    Hyperbole is a common tool of politics. Note McCain's talk of staying in Iraq 100 years in the vein of Germany or Japan, where we've had a military presence posing little to no harm to troops for over 50 years. Now he's a unilateral war monger. Obama's a socialist. We can't have our out-of-context hyperbole and eat it too.
     
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    I think the McCain statement is one he himself used. While the 'Obama is a socialist' is simply political propaganda that he himself has not used and will never use if for the only reason he knows what socialism is.
     
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    Vastly different?

    McSame has yet to clearly articulate any significant policy differences with GWB.

    IN fact, as others have already pointed out, McSame's campaign has so far proven to be message-free.
     
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