Prop8 Heading to court.

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  1. B_JasonDawgxxx

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    The California Supreme Court has just agreed to hear the legal challenges to the recently passed gay marriage ban!

    The state's highest court could have chosen not to hear any of the oppositions to the new amendment to the state constitution.
    They've done the right thing today. They've done the right thing in the past. And they will (hopefully) continue to do what's right with regard to our rights!
     
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    SAN FRANCISCO – California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying before it rules.
    The California Supreme Court accepted three lawsuits seeking to nullify Proposition 8, a voter-approved constitutional amendment that overruled the court's decision in May that legalized gay marriage.
    All three cases claim the measure abridges the civil rights of a vulnerable minority group. They argue that voters alone did not have the authority to enact such a significant constitutional change.
    As is its custom when it takes up cases, the court did not elaborate on its decision.
    Along with the gay rights groups and local governments petitioning to overturn the ban, the measure's sponsors and Attorney General Jerry Brown had urged the Supreme Court to consider whether Proposition 8 passes legal muster.
    The court directed Brown and lawyers for the Yes on 8 campaign to submit their arguments for why the ballot initiative should not be nullified by Dec. 19. It said lawyers for the plaintiffs, who include same-sex couples who did not wed before the election, must respond before Jan. 5. Oral arguments could be scheduled as early as March, according to court spokeswoman Lynn Holton.
    Both opponents and supporters of Proposition 8 expressed confidence Wednesday that their arguments would prevail.
    But they also agreed that the cases present the court's seven justices — six of whom voted to review the challenges — with complex questions that have few precedents in state case law.
     
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    Fingers crossed. It's actually quite bizarre to think all those millions spent on advertising could turn out to be a complete waste of time.
     
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    What is it that prop 8 will change that the gays don't already have?
     
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    Personally I think they should wait for at least 2 years before voting on it again.... maybe then people will get off their ass, have demonstrations, and bring awareness to the public BEFORE the damn election! At the very least, go vote yourself.

    yeah yeah Im sure you did... but not the thousands of people I saw marching the other day.
     
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    Seriously? :confused: Where the heck have you been?! Straight people who marry automatically have the rights listed below & then some. A civil union doesn't give gays any of these rights. Not even the right to file a joint tax return as a couple.



    Rights and Benefits of Marriage in the United States
    • Right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
      • Social Securitypension
      • veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
      • survivor benefits for federal employees
      • survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
      • $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
      • continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
      • payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
      • making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts
    • Right to benefits while married:
      • employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
      • per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
      • Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
    • Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
    • Joint and family-related rights:
      • joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
      • family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
      • next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
      • custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
      • domestic violence intervention
      • access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
    Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
    Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
    Court notice of probate proceedings
    Domestic violence protection orders
    Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
    Funeral and bereavement leave
    Joint adoption and foster care
    Joint tax filing
    Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
    Legal status with stepchildren
    Making spousal medical decisions
    Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
    Right to change surname upon marriage
    Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
    Right to inheritance of property
    Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)

     
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    LOL did you read any of these or just post it? heres some examples:
    Right to change surname upon marriage <-- thats just funny, who chooses?
    Right to enter into prenuptial agreement <-- and if youre not married in the first place, how is this an issue?
     
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    let's hope the Mormons lose their tax-exempt status too!
     
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    When 2 people of any sex are in a commited and exclusive relationship and one or both parties have assets they wish to protect; then a prenuptial agreement is required.
     
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    http://www.lpsg.org/110479-does-bug-obamabots-thats-its-2.html

    Oh for the love of god. Give it a fucking rest. No Gay Marriage Supporters won. Deal with it. Go have a drink do something. Anything but making these fucking nonsense threads OVER N OVER!!!!!!!


    Disclaimer: Placed only for effect showing this fits in more places then one. :wink:
     
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    Yeah and that argument didn't stop you, so why should it stop us?
     
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    I’m not saying anybody should stop, just saying it’s a little tiring hearing that comment when others are having a conversation.
     
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    When oh when will you meet the same fate that trinity did?
     
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    I have to applaud you on this one... you completely sidestepped the questions entirely. We all know what they are and how it works...but thanks again.

    P.S. you wouldnt happen to be a lawyer, would you?
     
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    I've got my fingers crossed for those of you in states with Prop8 implemented. Let's hope and pray for reason.
    Straight, Bi, Gay, TG, TS, all the creeds, man and woman, young and old, we are all Human.
    I'll never understand discrimination, ever. It does not compute, at all. What it naturally does do though, is disgust me more than anything ever could.
    If the shit hits the fan, come and live with us in the UK, the weather sucks, but the countryside is beautiful, and we have true equality.
     
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    I know this is going to make me very unpopular here. I don't believe in GAY marriage as such. I do think they deserve some rights towards their partners property etc. But there should be some sort of time period of them being together also. I also believe that of regular marriage too. Example (Anna Nicole Smith) They didn't build the fortune together.
    As for your partner getting your property after you die that's what a will is for. That goes for private insurance also. To many people are dependant on our government. People need to take responsibly for themselves. You all have seen what the government has done so far. Besides now isn't the time to worry about Gay marriage etc... It's not going to fix our economy.
     
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    I want to be able to vote on straight marriages too.

    Should we all start protesting at straight couples marriages?

    I'll bring my divorce statistic signs.
     
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    Whats more important right now Gay marriages, Health coverage, enviromental issues or getting our economy working it's all about money after all. Without a health economy how can we support any other social issues. That make any sense? Feed back please :poke:
     
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    This is more than just "gay marriage". It's about equal rights for all people regardless of their sexual orientation. All of the issues you've listed should receive some level of attention. Not put on the back burner just because you don't care about it. Gay Marriage gets a lot of coverage now because California, a state that EVERYONE assumed would be in support of it surprisingly went against it. As for other issues not being discussed? Blame it on the news media for not covering it. ALL of the news media. Not just the liberal or conservative sections.
     
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    And quite bizarre to think of the millions the state spent on it, BEFORE it was even voted on.

    I've known all along how this story would end, it will be overturned. If it shouldn't of gone to a vote under an ultra left liberal supreme court.... then it never should of been on the ballot. That's one thing. Now it's shits in the face on the importance of a vote. You vote (regardless of the issue) then after the fact a body can decide it never should of been voted on.

    In this day in age? Are you kidding me????????

    If it never should of been voted on (even if decided by a liberal small body of hack judges) , then why was it put up? Talk about watering the vote... much less Gov Moonbeam re-writing the proposition.

    More shitty precendent. Welcome to California... a worse bilge of democracy wherewithall then the Federal government, or Cuba, or Finland (random thrown in... sorry Fins, I'm sure your gov't is efficient beyond compare).
     
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