Protest for Heath's funeral

invisibleman

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OK, Invisibleman... Calm down... I think we are on the same page here.

But, there was much believability in the story, this was still the Wild West, even though it was in the 60's and 70's, and a lot went on behind the scenes in the lonely "culture" of Cowboys, shepherds and Rodeos, even in those times, in that vast territory of America. It still does. Believe me!

Take note... you might remember, that one of the most heart wrenching scenes of the film, towards the end, was when Jack, who truly knew he loved Ennis and sex with men, revealed to him that he HAD stopped waiting for him and sought pleasure elsewhere... (In replays, with another married man and road trips to seek male hookers in Mexico.)... That ended with their fight on the beach at the lake and then never to see each other again. Later, Jack was most likely murdered for going after one of his own closeted kind in his homophobic home town... and covered up, even by his own wife.

Invisibleman, really... your assumption that a woman writer could not produce an authentic story about homosexual men is ludicrous. As only one example, I will suggest that you read the magnificent series about the life of Alexander the Great, beginning with:

[SIZE=-1]"The Persian Boy" a 1972 historical novel by Mary Renault.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]It's amazing![/SIZE]

Onan

I haven't read Mary Renault's work so I will reserve words. I did read Annie Proulx's New York Times short story, "Brokeback Mountain" before I saw the movie. I hoped that the movie would be different. It wasn't. I felt that Proulx didn't flesh that plot out better. Even the ending sucked.

Brokeback was a beautiful movie, beautfiul story - yes... because it was only about a hook-up? Clearly that devestation in their faces at each time was only about the sex.

Well, either that Ennis had a ten-inch prehensile wonder cock...or Proulx got you all fooled. Question: "Would you do the same: Wait every five years for a brief time with a gay lover based on some one night of crazy Kamasutra tent sex...and no breakfast in the morning?" :eek: And if this is supposed to be the protocol of gay Rodeo ranchers, (Sarcasm begins=>I want a serious relationship with Ennis Del Mar.:rolleyes: He loved me because he couldn't spent any time with me. He has a wife and kids. (OH MY EFFIN' GAWD. He IS a real CATCH, right there.) <=Sarcasm ends.)

I don't think so. I would not. I am sorry.
 

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they make me sick! how can a country even allow that kind of behaviour??????

their behaviour shows no respect for peoples families, and no respect for 'god'. And to top it of, Heath Ledger wasnt even gay.

Their behaviour isnt freedom of speech... it's down right vilification and harassment. If they acted this way to other minority groups in the US, i'm sure they're behaviour wouldn't be accepted as 'freedom of speech'. total bullshit!
 

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I just saw on the news where the Westboro church hypocrits/idiots are planning on picketing Heath Ledgers funeral. When will these people stop their insanity?


I haven't seen anything on their website on their picket schedule as of yet for heaths funeral but this does not mean anything, I keep an eye on their picket schedule to warn organizations that are being picketed against. but if I see anything I will post it here and probably make a few phone calls.
 

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And to the fans of Brokeback Mountain, I am sorry to say...as a gay man...I found the story (which was written by Annie Proulx...a woman...not a gay man) lacks believability. Reason is: no gay man waits five years for a hookup...I am sorry.

Lots of gay men never have sex. Lots of them.


The ending was really macabre. Ennis Del Mar kept Jack Twist's bloody shirt in a ratty trailer closet. What a fucked up shit plot scene considering all that led up to it. Gay men should've been stomping a mudhole out of Ms. Proulx for making that shit.

I was deeply moved at that point. And I've heard others mention it, too ... some of them on this site.
But to each his own.
 

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That's all well and good but at what cost to others? Should that not come into the equation?

It's our "equal time" society here in the states. A buddy of mine who is a sheriff in Kansas says they provide protection, mainly for the families they are protesting against and when a family member gets riled to a point of wanting to hurt them, the deputies in his county pretty much say "They want you to do this to give them credibility. Don't do it" The Westboro clan want to be modern day martyrs. They won't get a beat down from me.

I can't speak for the back alleys though. :wink:

that and it is really one fred phelps and his kids and grandkids. i doubt they are reproducing and will die out soon.

Unfortunately, they are reproducing. We can hope the kids grow out of and away from this craziness.

All I can think about is all the gay men who have died in WAR so that these assholes have the right to do this!
What goes around comes around, fred will get his in spades.

I am pretty sure they will meet an end like the Branch Davidians at some point. I am quite sure the FBI is watching and waiting to land on these whack jobs.

Having been to one of their protests (see gallery), I have to say that they are the lamest, most unintimidating, useless group of people I've ever see. It doesn't mean that they aren't scum, but honestly I think if they didn't get as much press as they do, they'd be even more inneffective and more of a group of deranged loonies. I would be glad to stand with a signs against their hateful message anytime.

And, as DC said, they do abuse children.

They have toned down their protest tactics a lot when outside of the Kansas/Missouri corridor. As for child abuse, I saw it when I lived in Kansas City and they hit our neighborhood protesting an awards dinner for the director of Planned Parenthood there. It was nice to see police pull that person aside and take the kid off for questioning.

I really hope they are beaten excessively off-screen and out of the public eye when the funeral is shown. I'm hoping they get the shit kicked out of them. just horrid...

I believe Ledger's family is bringing him home for the funeral.

Good luck pulling that shit in Perth... oh that's going to be fun.

I was hoping they would have it in Australia too, but the news last night reported that they were having a private ceremony in New York. At least they do stand a good chance of getting beaten down in an alley there. I am truly doubting they will show. New Yorkers won't take that crap either.

I've always wondered in situations of murders, child molesters and these protestors how no one has gotten the balls to find them in a dark alley and beat the shit out of them.

We can hope they are incarcerated. Even the most hardened criminals in the penitentiary system do not like child abusers and child molesters. They usually find themselves shanked or hung with bath towels somewhere.

When I was at one of their protests with DC_DEEP and bliss at Arlington National Cemetery in December, there was a huge police presence. What amazed me was they they protest in very small groups-- at Arlington there were 2 old hags (one was Phelps' daughter) and two pimply teenagers. I imagine that part of the reason they protest in small groups like that is so that they don't run into trouble and get harrassed quite as much, but I also think it's because their organization really is very small and powerless but very good at getting media attention that makes them bigger than what they really are.

I thikn they are aware if they turn out in force at a military funeral, they will invite more scrutiny and very well would kill any sympathy they now get. Honestly, who could sympathize with these people, they are sick.

I hope westboro shows up in force to protest the funeral. Somehow I think their fervor will be put in it's place quite nicely. The term "crazed fan" comes to mind.

When you start a fund to buy the crazed fans mace and nightsticks, sign me up for a $1,000 donation.
 

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that and it is really one fred phelps and his kids and grandkids. i doubt they are reproducing and will die out soon.

I read somewhere that right-wingers are five times more likely to meet their spouses at church functions, than mainstream church goers. Does a ultra right-wing family church mean they are inbreeders?
 

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Im from aus and its terrible news to all esp down under to learn about.

I hope this spell tides over well as the man, the actor was such a great one, choosing roles non others' dared, and lived doing the things he loved. My angels are with him and his' family.

I get protests but there is a better time and better place. And not for not worthy causes.

Cuddle
 

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The above is how they are allowed to carry out their protests. It's the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, the supreme law of the country.

they make me sick! how can a country even allow that kind of behaviour??????

their behaviour shows no respect for peoples families, and no respect for 'god'. And to top it of, Heath Ledger wasnt even gay.

Their behaviour isnt freedom of speech... it's down right vilification and harassment. If they acted this way to other minority groups in the US, i'm sure they're behaviour wouldn't be accepted as 'freedom of speech'. total bullshit!

There are neo-Nazi and other groups who promote racist agendas and they are allowed to demonstrate or march as well. The Klu Klux Klan occasionally holds marches and rallies in public places. Police presence at these sorts of events is usually very heavy so yes, hate speech is protected under our constitution and these groups are permitted to publicly say what they like just as anyone else is (or should be).

What Phelps and his people cannot do is be so loud or disruptive that the service cannot be held, nor can they harass the mourners or otherwise keep the funeral from proceeding. It's a fine line, not always very visible, but as much as I am sorry to have to do so, I believe even Phelps' right to say what he wishes is worth protecting.
 

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Several years ago in Austin Texas there was some kind of right wing mouth-foamer rally. Some folks decided to mobilize to deny them the publicity they crave. How? The got between the wackos and the media and held a moon-in. They got no TV coverage. This is one time our country's assinine attitudes abaout sexuality and nudity paid off!
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The ending was really macabre. Ennis Del Mar kept Jack Twist's bloody shirt in a ratty trailer closet. What a fucked up shit plot scene considering all that led up to it. Gay men should've been stomping a mudhole out of Ms. Proulx for making that shit.

You clearly didn't understand the movie. When Ennis and Jack came back from their stint on the mountain, Ennis said, "I can&#8217;t believe I left my shirt in the mountain", to which Jack just shrugged and grinned. Jack had actually stolen his shirt. He covered it with his own shirt, the one he wore on the mountain, and kept it in his childhood bedroom. When Ennis visited Jack's bedroom after his death, he found the shirts tucked safely away. Jack's mother seemed to understand their relationship and no words were needed when she let him take it home. At the end of the movie, you see the shirts reversed. Ennis wrapped his shirt around Jack's, as if to protect him.

Why is this macabre?
 

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You clearly didn't understand the movie. When Ennis and Jack came back from their stint on the mountain, Ennis said, "I can’t believe I left my shirt in the mountain", to which Jack just shrugged and grinned. Jack had actually stolen his shirt. He covered it with his own shirt, the one he wore on the mountain, and kept it in his childhood bedroom. When Ennis visited Jack's bedroom after his death, he found the shirts tucked safely away. Jack's mother seemed to understand their relationship and no words were needed when she let him take it home. At the end of the movie, you see the shirts reversed. Ennis wrapped his shirt around Jack's, as if to protect him.

Why is this macabre?

I didn't get the reversal. And your explanation is perfect.
What a masterful touch it was.
Wow. Thank you, rec.
(Not the most original remark, but I thought that Heath Ledger made as deep an entry into that part as any I'd seen in years.)
 

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Isnt that church being sued ? for protesting a t a funeral? i thought there was a million dollar suit against them.