PUMA's Retiring Hillary's Debt

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  1. Trinity

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    Just Say No Deal and all PUMA organizations banded together to aide Sen. Hillary Clinton in retiring her remaining campaign debt left from the Primary.


    Will Bower, PUMA Co-founder and Spokesman, appeared on Fox News July 10, 2008 with the exclusive announcement: In the week leading up to and during the 4th of July weekend, the $20.08 drive to help Hillary retire her debt was an overwhelming success. The initiative by members of the Just Say No Deal coalition yielded between an estimated $6 million conservatively and $10 million, according to Bower.


    Hillary’s debt is less than $5 million away from being in the black. . . We did this in one week.
    After making this final push through Friday, June 11, Bower says that Hillary’s debt will be finished! There are 230 websites within the coalition, representing 2.5 approximately million people. About Barack Obama, Bower states:


    We really don’t need him, we haven’t, and don’t plan to need him to pay down Hillary’s debt.
    Good thing too...because while Obama is using the excuse of "having to help Hillary" as to why he has not kept up his Nominee duties of aiding down the line democrats and why fundraising has become increasingly more difficult, Obama's efforts have produced little results for Sen. Clinton. Obama also forgot to even mention Sen. Clinton and ask fundraisers to write checks for Hillary at a recent fundraiser.
    Mr. Obama has asked his top donors to help raise money for her debt, and so far they have come up with less than $100,000 (though more in pledges), Clinton campaign officials said — a “paltry sum,” in the words of one. - NY Times
     
  2. D_Gunther Snotpole

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    Aaaaaaaaaarrrgh.
     
  3. lucky8

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    This article points out exactly why Clinton shouldn't be president, nice
     
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    Nice. So while Hillary is ready to stand in support of the presumptive nominee, her supporters are standing up and saying they don't need him. So much for party unity. The fact is, they did need him but he wasn't able to do as much as they hoped. Now they're having to rely on money from people who are willing to let McCain win because of an intra-party grudge.

    Granted, after all the money Obama raised during the nomination campaign, raising more than a drop in the bucket towards Clinton's payoff should have been easy for him. Guess it just goes to show that his supporters are still immaturely holding a grudge as well despite their publicly putting the past, well, in the past. Honesty comes at a price, but had he withheld the intentions, he'd be hearing much worse.
     
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    Who the hell wants to pay off someones debt, who should have stopped spending money long ago?
     
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    Apparently, he wanted to help. Like I said, honesty comes at a price. If he didn't say he was going to use it for that, he could've raised plenty. But then people would've bitched that they were donating to Obama, not Clinton, and gotten pissed that he'd do something so underhanded, despite his good intentions. And that bitterness wouldn't have been unwarranted. Either way, someone was going to get screwed. He made the right choice by trying and being open about it. Clinton, obviously, has other avenues of income. The collective voters' trust, however, isn't quite so easy to recover.
     
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    nobody gives to a losing cause. that is the way politics works. that is why hillary went in debt in the first place, and that is why nobody wants to donate to her now. But once again, little brat holdouts of Hillarys are trying to pin the actions of Obamas followers on Obama. Little beggars bitching about the quarter they got, because it wasn't a dollar. You fucking selfish assholes make me sick. "oh geeze, $100,000 aint shit!" Way to fucking shit on the people who did donate. Those fucking bums have no dignity.
     
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    With the possibility of a joint ticket, their campaign funds would have been combined.
    Still, true that beggars can't be choosers... or whiners.
     
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    OH, and looking through trinity's post history...
    :rolleyes:

    First post about this site

    next 555 posts slamming Obama and preaching Hillary.

    Looks, quacks, talks and smells like a shill to me.
     
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    That's not news to anybody.
     
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    You do realize that Clinton raised enough money to take care of her debt. She, just like Obama, are finding alternative ways to pay off their debts without having to spend any of the money they raised. And what better way to do it than to get the people of America to do it? It's what I'd expect from politicians because they all do it. Summary data for Hillary Clinton | OpenSecrets

    And yes, so much for party unity... At this point it's not the candidates doing the dividing, but the supposed "informed people" behind each candidate that can't get over their own prejudices and fears among one another. Sometimes I wish I could put all of the political fear mongers and blind ignoramuses in a room with Obama & Clinton on stage, both telling them all to STFU.
     
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    For future favor debts.

    Obama isn't taking matching funds, McCain is. That isn't something you wouldn't expect from a Democrat, eh... or respectively, a Republican.
    I wonder how John McCain feels about federally financed or state financed election campaigns.


    Bah, Party unity. Obama voted for FISA. He is only 1% better than Hillary. Went to AIPAC after cliching, and assured Israel we are still their bitch. Then he promised to support the Columbian government, and continue the war on drugs in someone elses country, and hasn't softened at all on Iran. He sure is going to be a good diplomat, though. It almost feels set-up. All presidents names in history have been of English stock, and now, suddenly, we are electing one of Muslim stock. This chameleon thing is a trick the Americans do well. Much like Clinton coloring his hair, blonde in front of young audiences, and gray in front of elderly audiences.

    I do wonder what the gnomes of Zurich are up to, sometimes.
     
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    lol...you found that out too?? i checked it out after someone gave me a heads up. what was one member's sig? "don't feed the trolls"?
     
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    Why should Senator Obama pay off Senator Clinton's campaign debt, when much if was incurred when it was Clear that Senator Clinton would not become the pres-umptive nominee and insisted in staying in the race until the absolute end?
     
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    In a sense, it was the diplomatic thing to do. And well, that's his thing. She was his opponent during the nomination race, but now she's his ally since he clinched the title of (presumptive) nominee.
     
  16. Trinity

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    Yes, Hillary's supporters are saying they don't need Obama to pay off the remaining debt. Sen. Clinton needed a lawyer to negotiate her role in the campaign and the convention. Stakes are high and its not the kindergarden playground. With a debt Clinton was at a disadvantage, without it Clinton is in a better position.

    That is correct. Obama followers didn't want to donate to Hillary. This issue defines the Party DisUnity. Obama followers never put the past in the past, they booed Sen. Clinton when the Governor of Michigan mentioned her and embarrassed Obama. Obama wasn't honest...he was practical. Obama's actions were "Johnny come lately" and produced little results because he didn't really want to do it.
    Obama didn't want to help Hillary Clinton pay off her campaign debt. No one here on this site even remotely believes that...not even you. Obama wanted Hillary Clinton's Voters and their donations. That's the only reason Obama made a "show" of trying to help Sen. Clinton.
    Obama committed his campaign to help to pay off 10 million and brought in $100,000. Nobody is pinning anything on Obama. Voters who do not support Obama are paying off the debt and didn't expect Obama to do it. PUMA's aren't supporting Obama because they do not believe the Democratic Party acted on its principles in propping up Obama. They don't believe the Primary was a fair election but rather a selection. They believe the DNC violated its own rules, and they believe Obama is not the best or most qualified candidate for President.
    I believe Sen. Clinton should have stayed in the race. This was the closest primary race in history and every state should have voted. Sen. Clinton won the Popular Vote.

    I believe that Sen. Obama had no responsibility to retire Sen. Clinton's debt...until he pledged his campaign to help do so.
     
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    Better or worse, Obama & Clinton (especially when compared to McCain) are pretty much the same candidate minus the types of skeleton bones each one hides in their closets. Most people who are pro-Obama/anti-Clinton (or vice versa) are finding very trivial matters to focus on to make their candidate look better. It gets really annoying at times watching people go at each other over things like this, especially since the Primary is now over.

    Supporters on both sides of the fence need to really get over themselves and do what's right in order to make sure their candidate wins in November. That sometimes means working with people you don't always like or agree with. It's ridiculous to see two candidates try to be civil to each other and help one another, yet the flocks still fight as if they know it all and the two shepherds don't.
     
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    I can't let this bit of DIS-information go unchallenged. The ONLY was Senator Clinton won the "Popular Vote' is if you give him ZERO votes for Michigan and don't count the states that held caucuses. That "Old song" that senator Clinton "won" the popular vote just doesn't play.....
     
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    The issues that Voters who do not support Obama have are not trivial matters. If we sweep them under the rug and back a candidate simply because the Republicans are bad that demeans everything Democrats say they stand for, everything the Party is built on and it makes us no better than them.

    Obama is not pretty much the same candidate as Hillary Clinton. Obama was more liberal and deemed the most liberal in congress whereas Hillary was seen as more moderate. Even though Hillary is more moderate she as a candidate is able to stand for issues that the Party and America believe in. She took a stand on FISA. There is growing opposition to this candidate. The more people know about Obama, the more they don't agree with him:

    Obama then and now
    Obama looks like...

    Obama's own supporters are taking a second look:
    Bob Ostertag at Huffington Post is urging Obama donors “who are angry about his about-face on the upcoming FISA legislation” to donate instead this month to Russ Feingold’s senate reelection. Feingold, Ostertag says, “is carrying on the fight that Obama walked away from.” Mr. Ostertag notices a “spike” in donations to Feingold.
    Other Obama supporters are withholding Obama donations to keep him honest! They want respect for their vote and contributions and most importantly they want Obama to deliver on his word.
    And that's why we are launching our Obama Progressive Escrow Fund. We're asking you to put some of the money you plan to give Obama "in escrow" until he demonstrates progressive leadership on the issues we care about, like warrantless wiretapping.
    ...We can get Obama's respect because needs our money - he turned down $ 85 million in taxpayer dollars because he believes small donors like us will contribute $ 300 million.
    Obama has stood for nothing but getting elected. So, no they are not the same candidate or relatively the same. They are in the same Party and many believe electing a Democrat should be the only reason for voting for Obama. People should go to convention in Denver and hold signs that read...

    Obama because...Any Democrat will do! Any fumbling, flip flopping, do anything for a vote, 300 foreign policy contingent needing candidate that says he's a Democrat and a Rock Star...will do.

    His historical candidacy would be meaningless if you can't believe he is best for President. My vote means something to me and it won't go to someone I find little substance in and it will not support a Party that will not acknowledge its errors and damage to our system of government.
     
  20. lucky8

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    your one vote doesn't mean shit, and you are exactly what is wrong with the democratic party. you want party unity? then stop being a sore loser and get over it.
     
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