Pygeum overload! (No pun intended!!)

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Week three - or pretty close update.

A fellow member expressed health concerns over taking so many pills in such a short amount of time. He even linked me to some studies which I found to be an interesting read.

As such I decided to curtail my impatience and shift back to my original plan of 2 fish oil and 4 pygeum (100 mg of 12.5% extract) three times a day.

With that being said something is still happening. I am getting a rather full feeling below my scrotum. During sexual thoughts I'll get a twinge and it will feel as if something thick is flowing.

Despite this I'm not getting rivers. I think I'm panicking and clamping down when it happens causing it to stop. I am getting evidence of spots in my underwear though.

Additionally every time I pee if I push hard I'll end up with a small thick stream of clear fluid that pushes out. Amount seems to vary.

At this point I will continue. I do need to learn to relax and just let it flow if I feel that twinge but don't feel a full bladder.
 

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Week three - or pretty close update.

A fellow member expressed health concerns over taking so many pills in such a short amount of time. He even linked me to some studies which I found to be an interesting read.

As such I decided to curtail my impatience and shift back to my original plan of 2 fish oil and 4 pygeum (100 mg of 12.5% extract) three times a day.

With that being said something is still happening. I am getting a rather full feeling below my scrotum. During sexual thoughts I'll get a twinge and it will feel as if something thick is flowing.

Despite this I'm not getting rivers. I think I'm panicking and clamping down when it happens causing it to stop. I am getting evidence of spots in my underwear though.

Additionally every time I pee if I push hard I'll end up with a small thick stream of clear fluid that pushes out. Amount seems to vary.

At this point I will continue. I do need to learn to relax and just let it flow if I feel that twinge but don't feel a full bladder.
Could you share the link to those studies?
Because most of us are not consuming these supplements responsibly. That's for sure.
 

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Guys, send some pics of your results please :)
Since you said "please"
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Since you said "please"
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Bear, how do you prevent cumming while doing this?
Because apparently you are very much aroused. Both in this GIF and other videos of you, you are rock hard and precumming, but not cumming. I can not think of this. I am sure I would have come.
 

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Guys, watch this and tell me what do you think about this man's precum.

It looks so intense. He might be faking or what???

That is totally believable, going by some of the other vids on here!! An insane amount of pre-cum!! If I were him, I would be collecting that in a jar and selling it to the highest bidder!! Man honey at its best ;)
 

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It doesnt look real to me. Looks like a waterbased lube to me. It looks to clean and as lube straight out of a pack from Surgilube. I actually think he have injected his urethral with surgilube. Looks exactly the same.
 

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After much success with the standardized pygeum from piping rock, I was getting more supplies from Swanson and said "let me see their pygeum again." Looks like they changed their formula. I used to take Swanson's pygeum and it was just the bark, not extract. Now they offer a 500mg capsule that is 400mg pygeum (bark) and 100mg pygeum extract (6.5% phytosterols) (bark). I figured I need to try this.

OMGOMGOMG what a great decision I made!

First off, I've been on the same supplement cycle for probably the last 2 years. Only changed to PR's standardized pygeum earlier this year, that's the only real change. But after 2 days of trying this new Swanson pygeum, I noticed a few big differences.

My cum load is quite larger now, and my shots are fuller and travel further. My orgasm with ejaculation is also a bit stronger than normal. If feels like my semen is being "produced" for a longer period of time during orgasm and I keep cumming in order to keep getting the cum out. Like, I keep squeezing and tugging and more cum keeps oozing even after I'm normally done expelling semen.

I do have more precum in the morning when my wife touches me, even if a few gentle tickles/strokes and some light play on my balls. Morning is my greatest precum production (unless during sex) and I'm normally able to lube my whole cock plus some if we snuggle and spoon and touch each other for about 10-15 minutes (our normal wake up routine :) ). But since I've been on the new Swanson Pygeum formula stuff, she'll touch me for maybe 20-30 seconds if we don't have time to get into it and I'll produce a river flowing out of me and lube myself up completely, and then more comes out as I sit on the edge of the bed waiting on it to finally finish.

There is something to the Swanson pygeum now. It also seems to have a different effect than the Piping Rock standardized stuff. Has anyone tried or is taking this different Swanson stuff? I'd love to know! I'm experiencing an overall increase in a few things sex-related, and all I've changed or added is this new pygeum. Must mean it's doing something good?!?!
 

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I have watched it again and again and now I’m 100% it’s fake. That ain’t precum.

First I’ve used surgilube when I’ve tried and used urethral sounds and when the lube is exiting the penis it looks exactly the same, it’s a nonstop thicker lube coming out with some air bubbles in it, exactly as his.

The second part is, it’s not that sticky as precum is, look at others and when yourself is producing precum, it’s much more sticky, his is more like lube, not sticky.
 
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Could you share the link to those studies?
Because most of us are not consuming these supplements responsibly. That's for sure.

Concerns about side effects is part of the reason I stopped taking pygeum, despite seeing some results. Pygeum contains a 5 alpha reductase (5AR) inhibitor. Prostate medications like finasteride and dutasteride are also 5 alpha reductase inhibitors. This explains why pygeum is taken for prostate health: they have ingredients that do the same thing. However, like many drugs, 5AR inhibitors can have serious side effects.

Here's a quote: "5-ARIs are generally well-tolerated in both men and women and produce few side effects. However, they have been found to have some risks in studies with men, including slightly increased risks of decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, ejaculatory dysfunction, infertility, breast tenderness, gynecomastia, depression, anxiety, self-harm, and dementia. In addition, while 5-ARIs decrease the overall risk of developing prostate cancer, they have been found to increase the risk of developing certain rare but high-grade forms of prostate cancer"

Sources:
Pygeum contains a 5AR inhibitor: Pygeum - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects
5AR inhibitors can cause side effects: 5α-Reductase inhibitor - Wikipedia

Pygeum isn't exactly the same as the medications in the studies, so maybe the research does not apply to it. But everyone should be aware of the risks when taking supplements and decide if the benefits are worth it.
 
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risks in studies with men, including slightly increased risks of decreased libido, <...>

I believe this what happened to me. I was very encouraged by results of people over here and ordered Pygeum (Vitasense brand, 12% phytosterols).
I've been taking it 3 pills per day (100mg per pill) and by end of the week I noticed significant loss of libido. Basically, I did not feel interested anymore in things quality of which pygeum is supposed to improve. :confused:

After another week sunflower lycethin and as well as Maca mixed with some Tribulus have arrived so I decided to give Pygeum another shot.
During the first week it was kinda okay but on the second one libido started to decline. Previously, some erotic thoughts were just enough to give me a boner, but by the end of 2nd week of taking the stack I had to watch porn and focus really a lot in order to keep the hard-on. I'm 26 y.o. btw.
And then there was a moment when I became actually scared for myself. It was 3d day since I came last time and I noticed that my balls were hanging still empty just if I'd blasted all my load 5 minutes ago. :cold_sweat:
So I stopped taking Pygeum after the 2nd week because of these side-effects. It didn't do much about pre-cum. This one is strongly connected to the libido thing, so no surprises.

Now I think it was a pretty dumb idea to back-up Pygeum with Maca and Tribulus, because it's the same as mixing stimulant and sedative drugs.

After a couple of weeks my libido returned to normal. Also I've seen some articles describing research on how 5AR inhibitor was used to treat hair loss. The authors claim that it did to some men irreversible damage to their receptors. Hence, I won't continue my experiments with Pygeum since apparently I'm in the group of the risk. :oops:

I don't see much stories like mine on this forum. Similar experience anyone?
 

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[QUOTE="I don't see much stories like mine on this forum. Similar experience anyone?[/QUOTE]

Yes I had the same kind of experience.
Depression was a big problem after 3 days so I stopped and retried again in a month and had the same problem. 1 week max I was on it, I also gained a lot of belly fat to the point of people starting to comment. upside I did pee better lol.

It's also given me bad back acne down to my body trying to rebalance my hormones and I never had acne throughout puberty.
If your libido isn't returning try going to the gym and lift as much weight as you can for a few hours. Way it helped mine return in a few days, (if you do already go to the gym and it's not helping then it looks to be irreversible that I know of.)

Sunflower lecithin: No problems and help in some more precum.
Maca: love it but some downsides. Face spots and balls feel hard after a week on it so only take now once every few months.
I'm also 26 btw.

Maca tip: if you have the capsules take the powder out and mix with a mouth full of water in a glass no more. I use 2 500mg swanson brand. Do this in the morning when you first wake up on a empty stomach but watch out for that taste. Chew gum right after taking it to help start the digestion and have breakfast about 30mins later. Do not drink caffeine of any kind when taking maca as it just stops it working, best not to a few days before too.

Anyways... Sunflower lecithin not soy and gym is the best thing for me so far. I'm also going to post a list of supplements I want to try to see if they help too.
 
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I've actually talked to a few doctor friends about 5AR stuff and the irreversible side effects are generally when you're on finasteride or duesteride (sp?) for a longer term (12+ months). While stuff like pygeum, pumpkin seed oil, phytosterols, saw palmetto, etc. are considered 5AR inhibitors as well, their mechanism is different from hair loss medications like fin; fin is steroidal and goes after the receptors directly ini tissues like the prostate or scalp whereas the herbs bond with the hormones either competing with 5AR on testosterone to keep it from converting to DHT (the androgen thought responsible for hair loss) or keeping 5AR from being produced in the first place/rendering it inert. From what I've been told by my docs, you'd have to down a lot (and I mean bottles in one sitting) of these herbs to have the impact fin does on libido. However some people do say their sex drive goes down on herbal 5AR inhibitors but given a few weeks, everything returns back to normal, namely because you're not making any permanent changes to your body's chemistry like you would be with a steroidal 5AR inhibitor. There has been no evidence of any of these herbs causing long term negative side effects remotely similar to fin, at least in my research.

That said, I'm not a doctor and y'all should use your best judgement but I trust my doctors so I'm personally not too worried.
 

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ALSO EXERCISE, HYDRATION, AND KEEPING CORTISOL DOWN (AKA RELAX AND DON'T STRESS) IS SUPER IMPORTANT! If you're struggling with either your libido or the supplements, nutrient absorption gets all sorts of out of whack when you're stressed and not keeping your body in balance.