Quality of your circumcision

[basque9]

It might perhaps be more accurately described as "more concentrated". In the same way, people with tetraplegia become extremely sensitive in the region that retains its nervous connections, typically the upper pecs and shoulders: in both cases, the part of the brain that would have received stimulation from one region, when the signals stop coming, transfers its attention to another.

Good man,thank you for putting meaning behind my observation , Snozzle! I knew for some reason , that still- connected frenulum region was now wonderfully and incredibly responsive to stimulation ! :smile:

 

[basque9]

Yeah, right. My claim of much less sensation due to circ is rational. Your claim of increased sensation after circ is irrational. It's the only organ I know of where a majority would not find what you say odd. Imagine if I said I had part of my finger cut off and it was more sensitive afterward. More sensitive in a bad way maybe.

Anyway, you're an adult. If you want to modify your body surgically you can deal with the consequences. But most consider it fetishistic.

The subtext of my comment about Finnish penises is that only a very few men, such as yourself, choose penis surgery in adulthood, because there is no reason to.

My goodness dxjnorto, your emotional text is laced with illogical thoughts and abnormal perspectives! Where are you zooming in from guy ? You speak with emotions rather than with clearheadedness ! Anyway, you are posturing and postulating absurdly about a subject about which you seem to know very little at all and perhaps with no valid credentials or experience for doing so!
If I am wrong and you are a trained neurosurgeon, I defer to your obvious expertise in this area of regenerative nerve response!

Please refer to the enlightened comment made by Snozzle apropos my observation of enhanced frenulum nerve function after the cut! :smile: :tongue:

 

[SteveHd]

My goodness dxjnorto, your emotional text is laced with illogical thoughts and abnormal perspectives! Where are you zooming in from guy ?

I'm acquainted to Dxjnorto via another forum. Circumcision diminished his sensation and so he's speaking from personal experience. Ordinarily he's logical but that prior message, passion mangled what he was trying to say.

Anyway, you are posturing and postulating absurdly about a subject about which you seem to know very little at all and perhaps with no valid credentials or experience for doing so!

Actually, he's very knowledgeable on circumcision. He knows more than I do and I know a lot. I expect he'll comment further. Stay tuned.

 

[noface60]

I'm not too sure what a skin brige, tag, uneven scar line is. Why don't you use my gallery and tell me what I have.

 

[Snozzle]

I'm not too sure what a skin brige, tag, uneven scar line is. Why don't you use my gallery and tell me what I have.

Have a look at these galleries. You seem to have some meatal stenosis and a somewhat hypertrophic scar (see about halfway down the scarring page).

 

[B_dxjnorto]

The only thing that's mangled is my penis.

I'd hate for anyone to get the incorrect idea from this thread that one could increase penis sensitivity via amputation, whether by tetraplegia (quadriplegia) or by hiding a dead skunk in a hollow log at midnight.

Here's a couple pictures for comparison. The first has a prominent frenulum and you can see how the parts go together and function. When he lets his foreskin go forward, the ridged band will cover the glans and form the closure.

In the second picture, the guy has a little strip of skin, but we can hardly call it a frenulum because it isn't connected to anything. It may still be sensitive, but we can't imagine that it will function as in the first photo.

Circumcising nations have a reductive take on the penis. We think we can render it into its component parts and cut them away a bit at a time. I have no idea where this idea comes from. Genital cutting is a sad manifestation of fascination with penis I suppose.

Donk, wouldn't you have rather not been circumcised? You posted that you had some fancy plastic surgery in some foreign country if I remember correctly. In the states, the only adult circ you are likely to get is the high and tight. See dhagelin3's posts in the partial circumcision thread for details.

There are few valid medical indications for adult circumcision. I think they are getting the foreskin caught in farm machinery and having the dog bite it off. Even then, conservative treatment is the standard of medical care. You said something about your dick growing bigger and bigger and the skin not keeping up with it. This is extremely rare. It's like saying you gained a lot of weight, but your skin didn't expand. It's likely you were either duped, or you wanted to live out your days as a circumcised man. That's your choice as an adult. For every adult who is happily circumcised, there are about 500 newborn circs who are now adults and either don't know better (through no fault of their own) or they are not happy at all about this abrogation of basic human rights to not be assaulted in body and mind.

Too much penis? Try circumcision. If you want to see a beautiful intact penis from every angle, look up Schorr Pit's gallery. Other fine examples abound here on LPSG.

I'm not seeing nearly as many shorn dicks in porn these days either.

 

[SuperActive]

Hi all

I've worked in an operating theatre for 20 years and have been involved in hundreds of circumcisions, performed in very many ways. In my opinion, most badly performed circs. are due to too much skin being removed, particularly in babies and young children. If too much foreskin is removed while the penis is undeveloped, when the child reaches puberty and the penis enlarges there isn't enough skin to comfortably accommodate an erection.

The best method I've seen for both adult and child circumcisions is when the end of the foreskin is grasped by two clamps and gently pulled to stretch the foreskin forward. What we call a 'non crushing clamp' is then applied across the foreskin above the tip of the glans. The foreskin is then cut off above this clamp and the two cuts are stitched together.

Hope that all makes sense?

The point is that there is enough skin left to cover the glans which will easily allow a normal erection without the skin becoming tight. Also, the frenulum is normally left intact.

 

[basque9]

partial circumcision thread[/URL] for details.

Well now djnorto when you put it that way , how can I tell you but the truth? Of course , there are times when I wish I had not been cut! Of course I liked my foreskin! I even grieved awhile for it when I realized it was gone for ever! I went through a hellish period of urinary tract infections way back then that seemed to breed on and under my foreskin. I was constantly taking antibiotics and my foreskin was in a perpetual state of irritation...red sore and swollen. I was beside myself over the problem with my foreskin. Several doctors told me that I had phimosis and that it needed to be snipped before some more serious infection developed and ruined me sexually! I did not hear of stretching the skin nor of perforating it. My cock looked like it was almost a foot long with all the skin it had hanging from it. Fortunately, before I submitted to the knife, I researched a bit and decided whatever happened, I would not allow my frenulum to be touched or separated from my foreskin!
That is why the German surgeon was selected.. he had a technique for leaving it fully attached to all of the foreskin that connected to it. He removed a lot of skin, but my frenulum area was not touched. It is large, sensitive and highly erotic. When I said that it seemed more sensitive even than as originally constituted before the cut, that was a subjective feeling on my part... there is no way I can actually quantify it. I do know that the hot spot of my cock is my frenulum. I can massage to orgasm by tweeking it!
If I were given the chance to go a different route, I would investigate perforating the foreskin rather than snipping it! I do not like having my cockhead exposed all the time.. so I have been stretching my foreskin while I jelque and it has regenerated quite a bit in the last several years.On a soft, my foreskin almost completely covers my glans, most of the time! I plan to continue stretching and regenerting as much foreskin as possible over time!
I was fortunate that I did not get a butcher job done on me and that I have a fairly free amount of skin left! I hope this clears up some of our misunderstanding, guy! Donkey:smile:

 

[B_dxjnorto]

I've worked in an operating theatre for 20 years and have been involved in hundreds of circumcisions....

Has it ever occurred to you that you are providing a service that men don't need or want and that many of them would now like your head on a platter?

 

[deleted23084]

I have a nearly imperceivable mark from circumcision.

My boyfriend is a bit darker there and my first real lover was DELICIOUSLY defined there. I thought what you'd call a "scar" on him was extremely sexy.

I ticked that I have an uneven scar line, which I always thought looked pretty sexy, so I'm glad to hear someone else thinks the same. Seeing a circumcision mark doesn't worry me, in fact I reckon it's a bit of a turn on. Some guy in another forum told me I was sick for thinking that, but hey, different strokes for different folks. Some guys get turned on by piercings, I get turned on by circumcised dick.

Would love to see some postings from guys who are happy with their circumcision. I reckon mine is a great job, even though the scars a bit uneven. It looks hot and feels hot. Maybe we can give the negative postings a rest for a while? After all, once you're circumcised, it's done for good so you might as well enjoy what you've got.

 

[ManiacalMadMan]

I ticked that I have an uneven scar line, which I always thought looked pretty sexy, so I'm glad to hear someone else thinks the same. Seeing a circumcision mark doesn't worry me, in fact I reckon it's a bit of a turn on. Some guy in another forum told me I was sick for thinking that, but hey, different strokes for different folks. Some guys get turned on by piercings, I get turned on by circumcised dick.

Would love to see some postings from guys who are happy with their circumcision. I reckon mine is a great job, even though the scars a bit uneven. It looks hot and feels hot. Maybe we can give the negative postings a rest for a while? After all, once you're circumcised, it's done for good so you might as well enjoy what you've got.

Well said.

 

[SteveHd]

I've worked in an operating theatre for 20 years and have been involved in hundreds of circumcisions, performed in very many ways. In my opinion, most badly performed circs. are due to too much skin being removed, particularly in babies and young children. If too much foreskin is removed while the penis is undeveloped, when the child reaches puberty and the penis enlarges there isn't enough skin to comfortably accommodate an erection.

Too much skin being removed? Duh! A doctor has no way of knowing how large a baby's penis will grow to. For a newborn, the best circumcision is no circumcision. If there's no defect, no repair is needed. Do the babies give their informed consent to what is mostly a cosmetic procedure?

The point is that there is enough skin left to cover the glans which will easily allow a normal erection without the skin becoming tight. Also, the frenulum is normally left intact.

That's doable on an adult. And I have no quarrel with an adult who is fully informed of what he's getting into and gives his consent to a circumcision. But even those can be botched. One of those was previously mentioned elsewhere. For infants and children, the glans is almost always completely bared and the frenulum is almost always removed. And in the U.S. that's considered to be "optimal".

I say, defer the procedure until adulthood so that the man can make his own informed decision. If he doesn't like it, then it was he own stupid decision. Guess what happens for most boys who are lucky enough to reach adulthood and make the decision for themselves? They eschew circumcision. In Finland, where there isn't a culture of circumcision, adult circ's are 1 in 16,667.

 

[SuperActive]

Has it ever occurred to you that you are providing a service that men don't need or want and that many of them would now like your head on a platter?

As a matter of fact many men and children do need circumcision. Obviously you've never sufferd from a tight and infected foreskin!

I totally agree that circumcision should only ever be performed as a solution to a medical problem, not for 'social' reasons.

I also feel that circumcision for religious reasons is wrong. (This next bit will be controvertial!!) How many times do we read of the horrors of female circumcision? However the mildest form of female circumcision (when the labial folds are removed exposing the clitoris) is directly comparable to male circumcision. Yet barely anyone bats an eyelid when millions of babies and young boys are routinely cut in the name of a religious belief.

 

[SuperActive]

Too much skin being removed? Duh! A doctor has no way of knowing how large a baby's penis will grow to. For a newborn, the best circumcision is no circumcision. If there's no defect, no repair is needed. Do the babies give their informed consent to what is mostly a cosmetic procedure?

I say, defer the procedure until adulthood so that the man can make his own informed decision. .

You're correct, a doctor has no way of knowing how large a baby's penis will grow (although some babies do have larger penises than others, not sure if this is an indicator of adult penis size!?) He or she also has no idea how big an adults penis will grow when erect (grower or shower?) so it is always a bit of a gamble that you will get it right.
You are also correct that if there is no problem with the penis then there is no need for surgery. However suggesting that a necasary operation is deferred until adulthood is a little unrealistic. If a child starts having problems with a tight foreskin at 5 yrs of age, you are suggesting that he waits 13 years before surgery is performed?

The reality is that sometimes circumcision is medically indicated. If it isn't, it shouldn't be done.

 

[SteveHd]

As a matter of fact many men and children do need circumcision. Obviously you've never sufferd from a tight and infected foreskin!

Alternative solutions for phimosis: Steroid creams, manual stretching, or the Glansie device. Note about stretching: If the guys doing foreskin restoration can regrow a complete foreskin, then stretching would certainly work for phimosis. If not, then a minor slit of the Ridged Band is all that would be needed. We have a culture of circumcision. It's usually the first solution rather that the last.

Alternative solution for infection: Anti-biotics!

I also feel that circumcision for religious reasons is wrong. (This next bit will be controvertial!!) How many times do we read of the horrors of female circumcision? However the mildest form of female circumcision (when the labial folds are removed exposing the clitoris) is directly comparable to male circumcision. Yet barely anyone bats an eyelid when millions of babies and young boys are routinely cut in the name of a religious belief.

Hmm, there's actually agreement there. Indeed FGM Type I, as defined by W.H.O., is in fact comparable to male circumcision. Type II and Type III are completely different magnitudes, however.

In a different message:

If a child starts having problems with a tight foreskin at 5 yrs of age, you are suggesting that he waits 13 years before surgery is performed?

Tight foreskin at 5? Really? At that age most foreskins are stll bonded to the glans - with a connective layer composed of synechiae [pron. si NECK ee ee] - and the foreskin won't retract nor should that be attempted. It's misunderstandings like that which cause many boys to lose their foreskins.

 

[SuperActive]

Alternative solutions for phimosis: Steroid creams, manual stretching, or the Glansie device. Note about stretching: If the guys doing foreskin restoration can regrow a complete foreskin, then stretching would certainly work for phimosis. If not, then a minor slit of the Ridged Band is all that would be needed. We have a culture of circumcision. It's usually the first solution rather that the last.

Yes, well most people want an instant solution to their medical problems and simply aren't prepared to spend months trying to stretch an already painful foreskin. Srteoid creams can also work if applied regularly, but I'm afraid patients are notoriously bad at complying with any treatment that requires more effort than popping a couple of pills a day. A dorsal slit is a good option clinically but a lot of patients are unhappy with the cosmetic results and come back later for full circumcision.

Alternative solution for infection: Anti-biotics!

Antibiotics will only help the infection and won't cure the phimosis that causes infection. Also there's the issue of developing resistant strains so antibiotics should only be used when absolutely necasary.

Tight foreskin at 5? Really? At that age most foreskins are stll bonded to the glans

You say most, I would say many. Don't forget everyone is different and that includes their penises. If a child of three is having problems with too tight a foreskin then a long term simple solution is needed. Stretching and steroid creams may work for adults but whether you like it or not sometimes circumcision is required in children and if performed correctly it shouldn't be a problem.

Steve, you seem really confrontational and argumentative? I agree that circumcision shouldn't be the norm but that doesn't mean that it should be demonized. You may have a culture of circumcision in the USA but America isn't the whole world. Read how many posts there are from people very happy with their circumcision

 

[SteveHd]

Antibiotics will only help the infection and won't cure the phimosis that causes infection. Also there's the issue of developing resistant strains so antibiotics should only be used when absolutely necasary.

Antibiotics will only help the infection? Actually, curing infection is why they are manufactured. Circumcision is surgery and any surgery should be a last resort. Thus avoiding surgery is a good enough reason to use antibiotics. On a child who cannot give informed consent to circumcision, it's a damned good reason. You should certainly know the First Tenet of the Hippocratic Oath: Primum Non Nocere: First, Do No Harm.

Steve, you seem really confrontational and argumentative?

Maybe you think so. But, I feel very strongly about infant/child circumcision. I'm also blunt on things I feel strongly about. If that causes you think it "seems really confrontational and argumentative" then that's your opinion. Maybe you're not accustomed to such a strong pushback?

We seem to agree on some things. I previously stated that I have "no quarrel with an adult who is fully informed of what he's getting into and gives his consent". Moreover - for an adult - I don't even care if there's no medical problem. There some things you've stated that I agree with, examples: "I also feel that circumcision for religious reasons is wrong" and "... the mildest form of female circumcision (when the labial folds are removed exposing the clitoris) is directly comparable to male circumcision."

I don't recall a specific statement on neonatal circumcision. What is you position on that? As you should know, an infant is too young to have phimosis since the glans and foreskin are still fused.

You may have a culture of circumcision in the USA but America isn't the whole world.

"America isn't the whole world" is especially true for infant circumcisions, see: www.circumstitions.com/Images/map-mgm66.gif ... it shows in red countries in which infant circumcision is prevalent. Note how USA stands out. Try to find another country that performs infant circumcisions. Hint: You have to zoom the image 2x...3x. Note: For the complete page see: www.circumstitions.com/Maps.html

SuperActive, you seem to have an agenda. You signed up on Aug06, and you've posted 4 messages as of Aug21, and all of those in this thread. Note that the title is "Quality of your circumcision". You have I.M.O. hijacked it.

 

[SuperActive]

Antibiotics will only help the infection? Actually, curing infection is why they are manufactured.

Yes, antibiotics will cure the infection, but they don't cure the tight foreskin that causes the infection. Alleviating the symptom of a problem without dealing with the cause isn't a long term solution. Until the foreskin is either stretched, loosened or cut, the poor victim will get repeated infections and therefore have to take repeated doses of antibiotics, something that is not recommended in adults let alone in children.
With regard to informed consent. Children aren't able to give informed consent to anything. Should we not operate on their hernias, etc. until they are able to give consent?

I've never been involved in Neonatal circumcision (although it would depend how you define neonatal?) The only medical reason I can think of to perform a circ on a neonate would be some form of congenital deformity that required urgent correction. The only other reason would of course be religious and you already know my opinion on that.

Thanks for the map, I haven't seen it before, very interesting.

SuperActive, you seem to have an agenda. You signed up on Aug06, and you've posted 4 messages as of Aug21, and all of those in this thread. Note that the title is "Quality of your circumcision". You have I.M.O. hijacked it.

Honestly, no agenda. I just thought this thread was the most interesting. I'm uncut myself and am very happy with my foreskin. I'm very aware of the damage that a botched paediatric circ. can do. Two of my friends are suffering in adulthood from poorly performed circumcisions as kids (one is positively deformed!) However, having a blanket rule against all paediatric circumcision is just not realistic. I advocate the use of steroid creams as a first line of treatment (preceded by antibiotics if needed), if the patient is willing to try stretching, this could also be attempted. However, if the steroids don't work or the patient doesn't comply with treatment, then circumcise ensuring that you leave as much skin as possible. In my opinion, this would reduce the number of unnecesary circs. and improve the quality of the circs. that are performed.
I don't think I've hijacked the thread? I've actually had quite a few private messages from people concerning circumcision technique. I expect people are sitting back and reading our exchange. At least I hope so as I certainly didn't intend to hijack this thread.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

I totally agree that circumcision should only ever be performed as a solution to a medical problem, not for 'social' reasons.

Then why are you doing them? It's a living, right? Tell the truth so everyone can see that it is a business.

Opt out dude. It's immoral.

What do you know about selling the purloined tissue?

Thanks in advance,
Jerry

 

[baseball99]

Antibiotics will only help the infection? Actually, curing infection is why they are manufactured.

actually no. antibiotics only decrease bacterial load to the point where your body naturally eliminates it. It doesnt cure infection since in most cases resistant strains are formed and exist in your body for long after the antibiotic is done. I know its splitting hairs but on this thread it seems thats what you need to do to be part of the cool kid group

also steroids for phimosis.....do you undersand how dangerous that is? Steroids act by suppressing the natural human response mechanism to fight infection.....thats why they reduce inflammation. Theres interesting research going on right now by a colleague linking increased steroid use to increased kidney infections in children. Of course these children are predisposed with ureter problems, but these problems are quite common.

1 phimosis infection treat with antibiotics. if he gets another one soon after that you'd be crazy to keep treating with antibiotics in such a young person.....remember antibiotics can have some serious side effects.....stunted bone growth, growth plate softening, ototoxicity, nephrotoxicity and ocular damage are some.....and steroids out do antibiotics