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Ohhhh I don't know......

I tend to think that the gayest songs ever are Brand New Lover and You Spin Me Round by Dead Or Alive. Every ten or so years they re-work You Spin Me Round and voila! it's a hit again. So not only is it gay, but it's retro and rehabbed. How gay is that?

You Spin Me Round 1985
You Spin Me Round 1996
You Spin Me Round 2003

It's amazing to me that people in 1985 weren't quite sure if Pete Burns was gay just as they weren't quite sure of Boy George. God we were naive.

The B-52's are probably the gayest group ever given the number of gay members.

Back at the height of the You Spin Me Round frenzy circa 1986 or so a concert tape of Dead or Alive made the rounds featuring Pete Burns and two bikini-clad go-go boys interacting in a frankly lascivious manner, not that previously anyone had any doubts as to his orientation (oddly successful marriage notwithstanding). I want to say that I saw it broadcast on MTV or VH1, but it's just as likely that we rented the tape.

Even so, having such explicitly, obviously gay entertainment was still at that time highly unusual. I can't imagine a straight guy of the era pausing for more than a moment to even consider it, and I can't recall Pete ever being popular with any of my female friends, either, except in the wink-wink-nudge-nudge kinda way fag hags let us know what's what.

But Dead or Alive was a vehicle for Pete Burns, no matter how talented the musicians actually were: I was reminded of Grace Jones' efforts earlier in the 80s. It ultimately wasn't about the music; it was about the star's being fabulous.

The B52's from the beginning were a real musical group with real musicians (Even Fred :redface:) playing and singing songs they wrote themselves, and these songs helped define the newly-emerging gay marketplace. They did not invent camp or the application of self-conscious irony, but were the first I remember having pulled these two strands of gay sensibility together in a truly marketable way. Fred Schneider's voice was also the first unapologetically faggy voice I remember hearing in popular music, before Marc Almond's which was the second.

There were no "codes" or hidden references in the B52-s music, and that made it especially dangerous (or alluring, depending on one's perspective). Everything, from the wigs to the album art to the actual music was high camp in a new way impossible to discern or even describe, as it's all become so familiar and cliché-ridden now.

The very first time I heard Planet Claire was at a very 70s Boston Disco that was only gay on Sunday nights. It was the size of an airplane hanger with a dance floor large enough for hundreds of people. Just as the crowd was peaking (in all ways of the term) and a typical song like Relight My Fire
(itself a Crisco Disco masterwork) was ending, that base line (stolen from Peter Gunn) started thumping through your body and all the lights would go dark, then spots panned the crowd, paying special attention to the drag queens on platforms elevated off the ground in their sweeps who had their hands on their heads as if searching for something. As the eerie sci-fi organ music started, the red lights came on (approximating the "pink air" I guess) and the entire crowd convulsed in a spontaneous shimmy. It was one of the defining moments of my young life (I was 20).

The B52's first album was a complete revelation when I bought it a few weeks later. Dance This Mess Around was very advanced for its time: spare, minimal instrumentation and shrieking vocals and highly self-consciously ironic lyrics that were both meaningless and gave us all a new vocabulary and manner of speaking. The entire album was like that from the very first listen. It was the first rock and roll album I bought in my adult life.

The second (red) album was, initially, something of a disappointment to me. I wanted them to explore further that dark, minimal, wailing sound just as they were layering and beefing things up. Devil in My Car, which was one of their first songs but pushed off the first album for some reason, had a full Wall-of-Sound treatment. Give Me Back My Man and Dirty Back Road (buttfucking, anybody?) are similarly cluttered with an aural horror vacui that at the time I found both unnecessary and practically Disco. But I grew to love it, of course.

They spent years touring when, in my opinion, they could have better spent their time creating, given Ricky Wilson's truncated life. Their Party Mix was a waste of $12; it only further embroidered songs that could/should have been pared down, and it felt like a money grab to me.

By the time Mesopotamia came out, I had completely moved on to much harder stuff and found the B52's old hat and a tad obvious (fickle youth), so I really didn't have any high expectations. But whatever hopes I had were crushed in the sloppy writing and unbelievably poor production by David Byrne. The title track did nothing for me (at the time), and the rest of the album was mastered in a soft, low fuzzy-buzzy way that turned me off completely. Cake was a complete failure for me: it's sluggish, obvious and stupid. The double-entendre "rap" between Cindy and Kate is flaccid and meaningless: is "pineapple upsidedown cake" supposed to be naughty after such great stuff as Lava (Fred: "I'm gonna jump in the crater"; Girls: "See ya later".)
 
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You really think Kajagoogoo had a gay sensibility? I never caught it myself.

But I was (originally) oblivious to George Michael. I remember working with one of the campiest, queerest and funniest of all my work/play buddies in the early 80s who went to a Wham! concert in 82 or early 83. He came in the next day with a jacket printed with "WHAM!" in giant letters across the backs of the sleeves. He wore (and worked) that jacket all fucking day.

Ahh...good times :rolleyes:
 

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You really think Kajagoogoo had a gay sensibility? I never caught it myself.

Hmm, I just assumed....I mean the lead singer's hair on the cover of the record album that my friend's sister had in her bedroom full of forbidden treasure back in those heady high school days, was as queer as anything else in the known galaxies.

But, ever heedful of the Bbucko intution, I googled

Limahl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Hmm, I just assumed....I mean the lead singer's hair on the cover of the record album that my friend's sister had in her bedroom full of forbidden treasure back in those heady high school days, was as queer as anything else in the known galaxies.

But, ever heedful of the Bbucko intution, I googled

Limahl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yup: totally queer :redface:

I have a much more immediate contact with his solo project Never-ending Story, which was on heavy rotation in gay dance clubs, though I found it too fey by half. It always reminded me of Send Me An Angel, which is also obviously extremely gay.
 

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Yup: totally queer :redface:

I have a much more immediate contact with his solo project Never-ending Story, which was on heavy rotation in gay dance clubs, though I found it too fey by half. It always reminded me of Send Me An Angel, which is also obviously extremely gay.

Oh, wow, that Send Me an Angel video used to drive me crazy. It was like nails-on-a-chalkboard and such a lame video. It was one of the few things that got me to change the channel in 1983.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. :biggrin1:

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Here are some other gems from queer music's formative years:

Adam & The Ants Antmusic
I love how the crowd just stares with open mouths, not knowing what to do. And, yeah...I pogo'd to the chorus just like everybody else.

Blondie Denis
For Jason_Els :wink:
Very Blondie: like Sunday Girl, it tries to recreate that mod, swinging mid-60s pre-St Pepper sound without the kind of obvious quotations of the B52's: they both featured French interludes, which made them self-consciously arty (and gay) as fuck.

The Hitmen Bate's Motel
Faux-horror was a favorite camp sensibility reference in the early 80s, and this song is both very danceable and self-consciously arty-camp. The video is amazing.

Depeche Mode Photographic
There is a very artificial, self-conscious feeling about DM. I always presumed that Dave Gahan, the singer was gay and was surprised to learn that he's married with children. The much later album Music For The Masses always struck me as totally 'mo, as did their songs Personal Jesus and People Are People.

Bronski Beat has been mentioned. Smalltown Boy is epic, as is Why?, which is about gay-bashing, but the album Age of Consent was obviously conceived as a political act as much as real music. They released a remix album called Hundreds and Thousands which butchered Smalltown Boy but improved everything else, including Why? and Run From Love, which features La Somerville at her most histrionic. That remix album also has a duet with Marc Almond singing I Feel Love, which is just plain hypergay.

After Somerville left, Bronski Beat produced a follow-up album which was one of the first CDs I ever bought. It's excellent but got no play either on American radio or in the clubs. Hit That Perfect Beat has lyrics about "boys in the backroom...touch and kiss a stranger".

I also always felt that New Order's stuff was completely queer even if the musicians weren't. So much of their stuff is all about ambivalence and love. I always though 1963 was as about explicitly homo as you could get, as is Bizarre Love Triangle.
 
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Oh, wow, that Send Me an Angel video used to drive me crazy. It was like nails-on-a-chalkboard and such a lame video. It was one of the few things that got me to change the channel in 1983.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. :biggrin1:

xx

Anything for a pal, sweetheart :wink:
 

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Actually, a clearer influence on Blondie but much more obscure is the YeYe music of mid-60s France:

France Galle: Poupée de Cire

Sylvie Vartan La Plus Belle Pour Aller Danser or Il Y A Deux Filles En Moi

Françoise Hardy Comment Te Dire Adieux

It wasn't really a huge trend in the English-speaking world, though this comes mighty close:

Marianne Faithfull As Tears Go By
(Impossibly young and sweet)

Much more typical (and much more camp) were the girl groups:

The Marvellettes Don't Mess With Bill

The Ronettes Baby I Love You


This is lifted directly from the Ronnie/Phil Spector school of sound-walls. Chrissy Hynde has always had an ambiguous sexual presence to me, she's extremely aggressive and the first album consists almost entirely of songs about sex (frequently frustrated), not exactly dykie but not exactly not.
 

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I know that spotting references is highly subjective, but I just hear more Georgy Girl and not Buddy Holly when I hear Sunday Girl.

Buddy had way too much integrity, musically speaking, to have been any influence on Blondie :wink:


Buddy Holly

I wonder if Chris Stein's Sunday Girl was inspired by Buddy Holly as its style is similar to Holly's 50's rock as opposed to folk music's Georgy Girl. That song was one of a number of retro-50's songs that Blondie played with a cover of Buddy Holly's "I'm Gonna Love You Two" being on the same 1978 album:

YouTube - Blondie - I'm Gonna Love You Too


Blondie
 

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Buddy Holly

I wonder if Chris Stein's Sunday Girl was inspired by Buddy Holly as its style is similar to Holly's 50's rock as opposed to folk music's Georgy Girl. That song was one of a number of retro-50's songs that Blondie played with a cover of Buddy Holly's "I'm Gonna Love You Two" being on the same 1978 album:

YouTube - Blondie - I'm Gonna Love You Too


Blondie

That clip reminds why I'm so sour on Blondie: they seemed unqualified and annoying whenever they ventured beyond the narrow confines of pop-punk/proto New Wave.

The Tide Is High, Heart of Glass and Rapture are all just plain awful, dreadful dreck. The only song that steps off their sweet spot for me and works is Call Me, which got heavy play in the Discos when new. But even though Call Me was both very popular (tied to a major motion picture) and very disco, it still had a few of the old-time Blondie trademarks (aggressive vocals, bits of French). Guess they're enough for me.

I've said it before in other threads: for whatever slender skills they possessed as a group (principally songwriting, IMO), Blondie should always be remembered and revered for inventing New Wave.

And, of course, they belong in this thread because they were HUGE with the gayz. :biggrin1: