Question about sexual orientation and a tv show

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  1. guiltrip

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    I recently met a girl who spends a lot of time watching a show called "America's Next Top Model" which I've heard people talking about. Last night I was browsing through the channels and I saw it for the first time. I saw several attractive women taking their clothes off in one part and then some of them touching eachother in another. To me this is pornography, maybe amateur, but it looks like something people would beat off to.
    Which begs the question how come the only person I know who watches this show is a female? If I knew her I would ask her "do you masturbate to it?" I've heard her talk about how sexy some of the characters are so that just kind of adds to it. So is this a show for gay, bi, or curious women?
     
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    Bi and lesbian women don't really exist. It's a myth. They're all waiting for the right the right dick to come along and give them a good pounding. Which is why my ex left me for a girl. Or maybe not.

    Now on a serious note, my ex was indeed bi. So was the gf before that. They were really bi like, queer bi and not the bisexual chic type. Because of those two I've come to know some of their bi and lesbian friends. If I'm allowed to be judgmental I'd say it's kind of like a disease the way they hang around each other. They are all attached through a long daisy chain invisible to the untrained eye of the nonqueer. Incidentally, as a result of being around them I do know that tyra's model show has a lot of bi and lesbian following. I'd say what you saw was a good demonstration of pandering to the audience. So your hunch is right.
     
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    Do you think that the show is converting them or just bringing out their feelings?
     
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    I'm sorry guiltrip but you are friggin'stupid! Have you learned nothing from life, not to mention this site?:confused: Noone gets converted by a television show!

    I hate to burst your bubble but Xena Warrior Princess also had a large lesbian and bi-female following. That was not the original intent of the show it just sorta happend. :smile: To the best of my knowledge there is no law saying that only heterosexuals can be turned on by things viewed on television.

    I think you need to work on not being so bitter about how your past relationships ended and move on.
     
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    Hello Guiltrip, my teenage daughter watches the show religiously because she dreams of being a model.

    In all the times I've sat down with her and watched the show, I've never seen ANYTHING like what you're talking about. (Dang! I must have missed the good parts!)

    Maybe they do, at times, cater to a particular audience, but I think they're mostly trying to reach teenagers and young women in general.
     
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    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I can't judge since I dont watch it myself. There's nothing wrong with being gay, I just didn't know if the show was geared toward homosexuals. The images that come up when you google "America's Next Top Model" kind of suggest it's a lesbian/bisexual thing.
     

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    I think the real problem is that guiltrip has never looked at a womens fashion magazine. If he had he would know the photo shoots he saw were nothing.

    The 2nd pic looks sort of pixie or Kewpie dollish to me.

    "America's Next Top Model"
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    LOL -- can you blame him for not looking at fashion magazines?! I depend on my daughter and her friends to stop me from looking like an 80's icon!
     
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    I don't see why took offense to what I said. I said that jokingly. It's just very strange to me that so many of them seem to have hooked up with each other at one point or another and are still friends. They are all connected through an ex or something. And no I don't date butch women. the women I dated were both very feminine and very bi(sometimes a little too much for my liking). They are just more involved in the queer community than the typical-Oh I am bi and confused and I'm not sure if I'm doing this for me or my boyfriend-girl who calls herself bisexual without fully realizing the implications of that label and distances herself from the GLBT community. And when did I say I had a problem with it? I was just stating what I had observed. The show seems to be popular among bi and lesbian women based my interactions with them. My ex tivoed all the freaking episodes and watched them with her friends. I don't watch it to know exactly why but I am assuming Tyra probably chooses a more diverse cast as far as race and sexual orientation go. I'm not bitter at all. I'm currently in a happy relationship and have moved on. In future, I wouldn't get invloved with a bi girl again because it just isn't for me but I'm glad I experienced it. I was very ignorant about bi and homosexuality going into these relationships and I learned many things.
     
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    this might be kind of an inappropriate question but would you consider your daughter to be experimental (not that you wouldnt love her no matter what lifestyle she choses)?
     
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    converting what? the ones that are bi and lesbian don't need any converting. they just enjoy those parts of the show that caters to them more than the other parts. the straight audience which is most likely in the majority enjoy the rest of the show which I assume makes up most of the content of the show. You can't covert a straight women or vice versa.
     
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    Thank you for stating the obvious!


    You are correct it is an inappropriate question. In the future remember this, "Doubt means don't!"
     
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    Well Hotmilf didn't say "my straight teenage daughter watches it" she said her daughter watches it because she dreams of being a model, but her daughter's sexual orientation is relevant to the topic and I'd like to know what it is.
     
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    Hello!? Tell them again!
     
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    As a 100% straight man, I certainly don't masturbate to that show. It's not as if they're stripping or passionately kissing each other. They are scantily clad and strike provocative poses. Personally, I wouldn't consider this pornography, but it does push the limits of indecent material for young children.

    Personally, I find most of the women on the show far too skinny. They don't look like they could handle a hard pounding :wink:. I did hear that they were getting some more 'plus-size' (a.k.a. normal sized) women on there, but I haven't heard much more than that. They were probably the first ones ousted, unfortunately.

    I know lots of female friends that watch the show, and I don't doubt that they're straight. They watch it because 1) it's reality TV and 2) it's about a subject they want to know more of, fashion.

    Why don't we turn the question around? Why is it that the majority of people who watch wrestling/MMA/reality boxing shows male? Are they all gay? Probably not. They watch because they find it entertaining and they fantasize of being able to compete like the characters on the show.

    Similarly, women watch America's Next Top Model because they find it interesting and they can fantasize about being as "pretty" as the women on the show.
     
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    I dont watch the WWF but I cant see how anyone would be attracted to those guys either way. However, google "Tyra Banks" (the host of the show) with safe-search on or off (it gets better with it off) and you will see bikini and topless pictures of a sports illustrated model. Are sports illustrated calenders for women as well? I know Sports Illustrated and the top model show are two different things, but they have the same theme in my opinion (they also have the same celebrity attached)
     
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    I think you're missing the point, and they defeinitely don't have the same theme. America's Next Top Model is a show whose target audience is female. It focuses on fashion and adds the ubiquitous realityTV element to it. Sports Illustrated is targeted at men who like to watch sports. The calendar of scantily clad women that they put out is also for those men, but for them to possibly masturbate to.

    The women on America's Next Top Model want to be in the Sports Illustrated calendars and have a chance of being on there. The heterosexual women who watch America's Next Top Model want to learn how to be more like the women on the show and therefore possibly gain some of the attention that the women in Sports Illustrated calendars (and other models) get.

    Most heterosexual men don't watch America's Next Top Model because they're not interested in women's fashion or the making of magazine covers, runway techniques, and model poses. Most heterosexual women don't enjoy Sports Illustrated calendars because they don't get turned on by scantily clad women.

    Bottom line: Just because women watch America's Next Top Model, which has women in provocative poses while wearing very little, does not mean that they watch it for that reason. There are other elements to the show.

    The same goes for wrestling. I don't know what rock you've been hiding under, but many wrestlers would be considered 'hot'. Go ask most women what they think of The Rock, Randy Orton, John Cena or Shawn Michaels. Most will agree that they have very sexy, well-muscled bodies. I'm willing to bet many women would masturbate to pictures of them half naked. But, is wrestling just for women to masturbate to just because it has handsome, ripped, sexy guys wearing tights? No. It's mostly for guys who want to see a good fight.
     
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    Well I dont think the steroid look is very attractive, I know that I'm straight but I still have a concept of what makes a man attractive in general, and I dont think that The Rock or John Cena fit into that category. Not to mention most of them have jacked up faces.

    In my original post I wrote about a friend I had who talked about certain contestants on the show she thought were hot and I just dont see how that means that she watches the show because she wants to be a model. I mean do they watch it because they cant be models but wish they could. Is it the same reason that I'm watching football right now instead of playing it?
     
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    We men and Bi women don't get converted by Top Model and Xena, just get orgasmic and make floor puddles.
     
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