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are you comfortable equating a violent action of desperation and retribution with an act of violence born out of pure self gratification?
1 is a number and 1 million is a number

Though they mean vastly different things they are both numbers in the end.

All actions are to me are a number waiting to be plugged into an equation (expressed as a choice in a situation).

That being said my own personal code of ethic, morals, what-have-you would not tolerate rape in any form or abuse against children but I also except the fact there are those that exist who do. There is nothing wrong with judging people as long as you accept that you are doing so from an arbitrary position.

After letting that sink in if you still want to go around witch burning be my guest. Just let me get the popcorn first.
 

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Wow, that's true double-moral.

No, that is not something that needs to be done. The rapist have done something incredibly bad, but killing him in revenge is just as bad. Even if he's a rapist he probably have someone who loves him.. family/partner, whatever. They will then feel the same sorrow.. should they be allowed to kill the father who killed their love? Rollercoaster.

And even if the rapist is a lonely person who noone loves, he should not be killed. The killer (the father as you wrote) is just as bad if he does it. The rapist should be punished within the frames of the law. If the father kills the rapist, the father should be punished within the frames of the law.

One terrible act can't allow another terrible act to be accepted.

i disagree with the idea that it is never okay to take a human life.

1. if someone has battled an illness, and continued treatment would be torture... the person should be allowed to end their life. with their family present, with their choices respected.... the transition should be peaceful and dignified.

2. self defense.. if you try to kill me, i will try to kill you first. so the "never right to kill anyone" is rendered null.

3. how many people did you see crying out that killing Osama was wrong? in that instance most americans seems to think killing another human being was pretty damn nifty.


in the case of kiddie raping asshat. the law, any sentence or punishment, would fail to prevent further assaults. jail terms for rape/child sexual assaults are embarrassingly short. there will always be a chance he might get out, that he might not be convicted either from police error, idiots on the jury or statues of limitations.

and realistically, sentencing a child rapist to jail is a death sentence... man with gun just saves the local tax papers 3 million dollars.

as far as his loved one.. grief counseling and therapy should be made available. just playing the numbers one family grieving is better than hundreds of damaged families and wounded children.
 

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1 is a number and 1 million is a number

Though they mean vastly different things they are both numbers in the end.

All actions are to me are a number waiting to be plugged into an equation (expressed as a choice in a situation).

That being said my own personal code of ethic, morals, what-have-you would not tolerate rape in any form or abuse against children but I also except the fact there are those that exist who do. There is nothing wrong with judging people as long as you accept that you are doing so from an arbitrary position.

After letting that sink in if you still want to go around witch burning be my guest. Just let me get the popcorn first.

i let it sink in.. still ain't buying it.

rape and sex are smacking body parts together.... but in the end, the differences is were the humanity and debate live. dignifying another human being shoudn't be arbitrary.

variables are never isolated from the equation.. not without the resolution being flawed.
 

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dignifying another human being shoudn't be arbitrary.
And yet for hundreds, possibly even thousands of years they were. Who is to say that we aren't simply living through a new convention of society.

Were you a roman you could just as easily have said the barbarous tribes of the plains aren't proper romans or even cultured (by your standards) and thus aren't fit to be anything more than slaves
 

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he can type whatever he wants... but when his own post trashes his theory on the true motivation of rape, i will call him on.
Now that you've had your fun hacking away at the strawman of your own making, re-read my posts #3 and #10 and tell me how my posts trash my theory on the motivation behind rape.

Or is reading comp not your strong suit?
 

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i disagree with the idea that it is never okay to take a human life.

1. if someone has battled an illness, and continued treatment would be torture... the person should be allowed to end their life. with their family present, with their choices respected.... the transition should be peaceful and dignified.

2. self defense.. if you try to kill me, i will try to kill you first. so the "never right to kill anyone" is rendered null.

3. how many people did you see crying out that killing Osama was wrong? in that instance most americans seems to think killing another human being was pretty damn nifty.


in the case of kiddie raping asshat. the law, any sentence or punishment, would fail to prevent further assaults. jail terms for rape/child sexual assaults are embarrassingly short. there will always be a chance he might get out, that he might not be convicted either from police error, idiots on the jury or statues of limitations.

and realistically, sentencing a child rapist to jail is a death sentence... man with gun just saves the local tax papers 3 million dollars.

as far as his loved one.. grief counseling and therapy should be made available. just playing the numbers one family grieving is better than hundreds of damaged families and wounded children.


I never wrote that it's never okay to take a human life. I didn't even mention it, nowhere in my post. :) If you read it carefully you'll see I wrote towards the situation earlier posters had played out. Helping someone who's in pain with no way to cure it, only awaiting more pain and a slow death.. here my statement: "One terrible act can't allow another terrible act to be accepted." - since the realise of that human wouldn't be a "terrible act".

Regarding self defense.. once again, here you're protecting yourself. Also not the same situation as the one we discussed. You jumped to some totally different scenarios and tried to apply what I said taken from it context. Though, I don't agree with your statement that you need to kill someone who attacks or tries to kill you. If you can stop that human on some other way or just hurting him/her that would be enough.


And.. finally.. Osama.. Americans seemed to think killing another human was nifty? Oh, I am so shocked..

..okey, fine, I won't be that judgemental. But I don't care what "most americans seem to think", I am not one of them, and I don't share that view. :smile:
 
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And yet for hundreds, possibly even thousands of years they were. Who is to say that we aren't simply living through a new convention of society.

Were you a roman you could just as easily have said the barbarous tribes of the plains aren't proper romans or even cultured (by your standards) and thus aren't fit to be anything more than slaves

if you have to reach back through thousands of years of social evolution to find a parallel for comparison, you might consider the thought process you are devil's advocating for is equally antiquated.

i said Tromag was outside my ability to understand and accept his view point as anything other than being hateful and ugly. i never implied that he should be stripped of the same rights he's comfortable denying a woman should the need arise.

randomly:
in roman times, i would have been a slave.. i would have fetch a good price on the block.. a slave all the same.

romans had really shit interpersonal skills.
 

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Re-read my posts #3 and #10 and tell me how my posts trash my theory on the motivation behind rape.

Or is reading comp not your strong suit?

in as much as emotional motivation isn't your strong suit.

the rape scenario you typed up hinged on being limited in your options from sexual release.

in reality, and an aspect of your personality you are not able to process.. rape was not a lack of sex, rape was retribution for continued rejection.


your whole "rape is about sex" hustle is taking in account the physical act and the resulting nut.

you don't deal at all with the emotional aspect of your actions.
you did not hypothetically rape your island cohort to bust a nut, hypothetically you raped to get even and assert control of a dismissive female.
 

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if you have to reach back through thousands of years of social evolution to find a parallel for comparison, you might consider the thought process you are devil's advocating for is equally antiquated.

i said Tromag was outside my ability to understand and accept his view point as anything other than being hateful and ugly. i never implied that he should be stripped of the same rights he's comfortable denying a woman should the need arise.

randomly:
in roman times, i would have been a slave.. i would have fetch a good price on the block.. a slave all the same.

romans had really shit interpersonal skills.
Well even up to a 100 years ago we still had slaves. That wasnt the point I was making. I the point I was making is that it was an enduring concept for a really really really long time. The fact that it stayed around so long i proof that not all people innately hold the same ideals
 

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in reality, and an aspect of your personality you are not able to process.. rape was not a lack of sex, rape was retribution for continued rejection.


your whole "rape is about sex" hustle is taking in account the physical act and the resulting nut.

you don't deal at all with the emotional aspect of your actions.
you did not hypothetically rape your island cohort to bust a nut, hypothetically you raped to get even and assert control of a dismissive female.
And you draw this conclusion instead of the strikingly obvious alternative conclusion based on what?
 

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penis?

damn it, how did i get led off the path to truth :tongue1:


apogees for getting all ranty and tangenty on your thread, Ms. Doffie.
 

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I don't have any "heavy tone" btw.. :p

I enjoy discussions. :] MickeyLee is fun to debate with!

We don't agree with eachother, but.. that's the sole reason we can debate. :eek:
 

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*smooch* what Mr. HappiBoi said...

sometimes it's just fun to pin and poke and see where the discussion ends up.

*checks watch* and some of us are waiting for the promised peen flash, tease :tongue:
 

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*smooch* what Mr. HappiBoi said...

sometimes it's just fun to pin and poke and see where the discussion ends up.

*checks watch* and some of us are waiting for the promised peen flash, tease :tongue:
So true. A satirical comment turned into a debate over rape and from there into morals
 

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should the topic come back around to OP, i promise to behave this time.

i still reserve the right to mumbled under by breath at Tromag
 

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You assume that people want to learn. That is a huge assumption, and when the new knowledge might pierce the nice little bubble they live in, I can assure you they do NOT want to learn.

Rather, they will label this new information as incorrect, or coming from an outlier source. Preserving the bubble is far more important than learning new truths.
How do you know that you are not an outlier?
 

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How do you know that you are not an outlier?
You would certainly hope that I am, wouldn't you?

Where are the hordes of straight guys who can honestly claim that they would answer no to my hypothetical? That they would stay on that island until they die, never once having sex with the attractive girl, and jerking themselves off or fucking any suitably sized mammals that happen to be on the island instead.

3 pages in and I'm still waiting . . .

And for the white knights amongst you, keep in mind that answering dishonestly to make the women feel better isn't going to get you laid by any of them (unless one of you is dating a female LPSG member who is horrified by what I've suggested in this thread - in that case, you'll have to lie, but I'll understand).
 
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