questions for men with the urge to rape.

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Again, I'm uncomfortable with rape. I'd rather not do it. But the hypothetical forces me to choose between unpleasant alternatives.

The idea that they would rather ignore the question than look inside and find something they don't like hints at what the answer to the hypothetical would be, does it not?

4 pages, over 900 thread views and still waiting for the straight male cavalry that will clearly and unambiguously respond "NO" to the hypothetical. Do the ladies in this thread still think I'm an outlier? A sadistic psychopath? Or maybe, just maybe, human nature is a bit is darker than you hoped it would be?


I don't think it's about human nature. I think it's about how you or other straight males view women. Yes, you are a sadistic psychopath. I pity the poor woman who has to have you in her life. :smile:
 

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I guess I can't really comment. I don't have such an urge.

Even in the hypothetical, on an island with an attractive woman who wasn't attracted to me (yeah right) I can't see forcing the matter as doing any good anyway.

It is funny watching the moral subjectivists trying to argue for some moral claim when by their own standards there is no basis to their proposition. Arguing that you shouldn't hurt people only has meaning if you first establish that hurting people is objectively wrong.
 

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Either sex can be raped. It's coercion and violence that make it wrong, not the sex involved.

That there are persons of either sex who can say that it's justified to force someone into doing a thing they don't want to simply because they are having an 'urge' makes me weep-- sometimes literally, but always in my heart. I despair for our species.

OTOH BDSM can be done with such love you would not believe it! Even with blood all over the place.
 

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That there are persons who say that it's justified to force someone into doing a thing they don't want to simply because they are having an 'urge' and won't have any retribution according to an invented scenario makes me weep-- sometimes literally.

this!!

(sorry helga dear i added my own little bolded part)
 
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I reread the thread and FFS, I found I had missed an early post where TroMag referred to rape as one of two "unpleasant" options. Celibacy being the other.

Yeah. Unpleasant! Not even that much fun, really. And something one was forced to choose. Beyond one's control.

It seems appropriate that such unpleasantries should be followed by a small card:

Sorry
about
the
rape.

:smile:​
 

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I reread the thread and FFS, I found I had missed an early post where TroMag referred to rape as one of two "unpleasant" options. Celibacy being the other.

Yeah. Unpleasant! Not even that much fun, really. And something one was forced to choose. Beyond one's control.

It seems appropriate that such unpleasantries should be followed by a small card:

Sorry
about
the
rape.

:smile:​
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I don't think it's about human nature. I think it's about how you or other straight males view women. Yes, you are a sadistic psychopath. I pity the poor woman who has to have you in her life. :smile:
I don't think this is justified on the basis of the hypothetical especially since the man could only contemplate rape in one very limited hypothetical circumstance. I'm not saying I agree with him or support his hypothetical. I could not justify it morally nor would it be possible due to my own (sensible) inhibitions around coercion.

What I am saying is that it would be better to direct the outrage to those all-to-common men who actually commit rape in ordinary day to day circumstances with no reluctance whatsoever, consequences be damned, in every city and small town all over the world.

Cry wolf when there really is a wolf. This guy is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
 

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maybe Tromag is exhibiting early stages of how rapist think?

maybe he doesn't understand that rape isn't a hypothetical to women?
 

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I reread the thread and FFS, I found I had missed an early post where TroMag referred to rape as one of two "unpleasant" options. Celibacy being the other.

Yeah. Unpleasant! Not even that much fun, really. And something one was forced to choose. Beyond one's control.

It seems appropriate that such unpleasantries should be followed by a small card:

Sorry
about
the
rape.

:smile:​

unpleasant for him. beyond unpleasant for the woman.

maybe it would make it more "pleasant" if kenny rogers did the apologizing. :biggrin1:
 

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having done my under grad and post graduate work in European history, I wish to make a tangential statement. The Nazi regime purposefully started WWII. They ruthlessly invaded the eastern European stars of the former Soviet Union. 28 million Eastern Europeans were slaughtered, not to mention the millions that starved in the famines that followed in the next 4years. The actions of the werhmact, the ss, and the einsatzgruppens, are the among the most dastardly in history. What happened in Germany as the Soviet army approached Berlin maybe considered an evil excess, but it pales in comparison to Nazi atrocities. What happened to the Germans was cause by their Nazi government which they elected and enthusiastically supported as Europe was subjugated. If you have pity use it first for Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Russia as well as the Western European sets subjugated by the Nazis. The Nazis unleashed the 'dogs of war'. Those rabid animals often turn on their presumed masters.
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I guess maybe somewhat off topic, but I don't really have the urge to rape, more of an urge to grope. I take the train in a lot to work and you got all these girls get on and off who are wearing tight little skimpy outfits with their tits hanging out, pantyline showing, short skirts, etc and all I want to do is touch. I'd never do it, but in a fantasy land I'll think to myself "if I could do anything in the world right now, what would I do?" And it always starts out with me feeling up the hot chick near me.

I don't really have too much interest in raping women or fantasizing about it. Too worried they would bite my dick off or something. I've done rape roleplay before, and frankly, it's too much work. I'll do it if I think my partner is into it, but it's just kind of whatever to me. I guess I do kind of like sex where my partner and I are both naked, and she tries to resist against my attempt to stick my dick in her. That's fun, but I think more of a play fight and not so much the rape angle.


Absolutely ON topic, unlike many ...
 

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Sure, you can get around retribution the way you propose. The point of the hypothetical was to force a man to choose between celibacy (for the remainder of his life) or rape (with no retribution). You can get rid of the retribution element any way you please, either by simply assuming it away or something more elaborate as you propose.

TroMag, would you choose to do the rape, and the other attendant management things like caging, enslaving, etc. in the more realistic scenario I described? No pixie dust in the scenario that gives you immunity from retribution, she still has free will. You'd have to deal with a real person, but you could manage it by the means I described... Would you be raping her?

*cricket chirp*
 

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no freaking out, peoples!
an urge is just an urge, unless it becomes an action.

so what is the urge about?
gimme percentages. sex, power, anger, control, humiliation, domination, the list goes on and on. analyse yourself a little.

and what do you do with those urges?
squish them? wank on them? date freaky masochistic perverts?

i'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.
our little secret. just between you, me and anyone with internet access and a decent grasp of written english!

personal demons only, please.
supposition and conjecture got old real fast.

I would try to be as honest as possible, I fantasize about rape, for me, its all about female weakness and helplessness.. That she cant do anything but submit to me.. or try to resist me but she is so weak to do it.. forcing weak, little women into submission is very erotic to me.

Sadly, I found out that a lot of women are not interested in rough sex, and they get annoyed when I handle them roughly during sex.
 

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I would try to be as honest as possible, I fantasize about rape, for me, its all about female weakness and helplessness.. That she cant do anything but submit to me.. or try to resist me but she is so weak to do it.. forcing weak, little women into submission is very erotic to me.

Sadly, I found out that a lot of women are not interested in rough sex, and they get annoyed when I handle them roughly during sex.
I am sure that someday you will find a partner who enjoys playing those games with you. They are out there.

As long as you do not break laws I think there is no problem with having a fantasy life.