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The problem here is that: to define the "superior kitty experience" objectively is not possible separating- isolating it from the subjective experience my cock is having with the pussy of a real world-specific girl.
As i said, it is a decision that belongs rather to my cock than to my mind/rationality to define and clarify.
In my opinion the experience with a "superstar" or beautiful pussy is based on harmony, total trust, confidence and ONENESS.The physical explanation only is too limited to understand the amount of factors involved. I hope my comments were useful to you.:rolleyes:
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Well thank you for your reply. I disagree but thank you again.

I believe it's possible to know and separate out the physical from the spiritual. Doesn't mean the two can't or don't merge but I do believe humans have the capacity, capability and awareness to separate out physical, mental and spirtual aspects of sex.

Perhaps I should clarify for the purposes of my question I'm unintested in the spiritual or mental aspects of a superior vagina experience unless someone could show how those two aspects become manifest physically - how do they manifest at the moment of contact. Because I'm not a spirit made of ether. I live in a physical body and at some point the mental and spiritual must impact this physical realm.

Riftalope comes pretty darn close to the kind of info I've been hoping for.

Vaginas are all different. They give different sensations. Some sensations - even from the same vagina on different days - are superior. Just as an athlete can't always play at the top of his/her game 100% of the time I know no vagina will either. But just like an athlete there be something valuable to be gleaned by what sensations many (but not all) men tend to point to as this or that at providing superior pleasure.

What's amazed me is how unwilling men are to talk about it with me. I don't know if they truly fear revealing such information or if they've never really quite been aware of what made one sensation more exciting than another.

I'm not trying to find this info out to oppress women. And it doesn't mean I hate or have a hangup about my own kitty. Neither of that is true. But I like asking questions no one's bothered to ask before. I learn something new - and every answer that can fine-tune what was great and why helps the sum of human knowledge.

I hope others are interested in learning something new too. Too often the topics on boards like this are the same old same old.
 

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Well thank you for your reply. I disagree but thank you again.

I believe it's possible to know and separate out the physical from the spiritual. Doesn't mean the two can't or don't merge but I do believe humans have the capacity, capability and awareness to separate out physical, mental and spirtual aspects of sex.

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It certainly is possible for the separation that you describe, but why would anybody want to? I can't imagine anyone reminiscing about the best sex of their life and looking back on a non-cerebral, totally mechanical experience. The whole (physical, mental, spiritual) is so much greater than the sum of the parts that for myself, it would cheapen the memories to attempt to segregate what was physical versus what was cerebral.
 

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It certainly is possible for the separation that you describe, but why would anybody want to? I can't imagine anyone reminiscing about the best sex of their life and looking back on a non-cerebral, totally mechanical experience. The whole (physical, mental, spiritual) is so much greater than the sum of the parts that for myself, it would cheapen the memories to attempt to segregate what was physical versus what was cerebral.

If you don't want to know that's cool. I don't wish to upset the apple cart of people who are content with what they know.

I like to learn.

I believe it doesn't cheapen sex in any way by learning about the physical. It doesn't mechanize anything. it doesn't make my experiences non-cerebral or cheapens my memories in any way.

OK. I get that you believe such knowledge would cheapen sex. That's cool. We all believe different things. I just don't agree. I believe it adds to the sum of knowlege. We have reams of books and traditions focusing on the emotional and spiritual side of sex. There are great resources for that. There's no point in posting on message boards about it since there are better methods of learning about those aspects of sex.

I'd like to tap into unexplored areas. I see the physical as just one more thing to learn about of the whole of who we are.

All too often I run up against prejudices against my inquiries.

A lot of people seem to have a bias against learning about the physical aspects of sex that goes beyond their current knowledge. To ask any further they equate with draining sex of all meaning or value. I don't understand why or where they acquired that mindset but nonetheless there it is. :frown1:

I guess I wonder why I keep meeting resistance (or worse - apathy) in asking to learn or explore unexplored things.
 

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I don't recall anyone saying that they wanted to ignore the physical elements of the sexual experience, nor do I think that I offered up any 'prejudice' against your inquiries. There's a big difference between 'meeting resistance' and people just not sharing your point of view. You mentioned that you 'liked to learn' in your response, and the best way to learn in my experience it to assimilate opinions that aren't congruent with your own.
 

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I don't recall anyone saying that they wanted to ignore the physical elements of the sexual experience,

I didn't say that either. And of course I'm delighted and grateful when the guys here generously shared their experience with me.

nor do I think that I offered up any 'prejudice' against your inquiries.

Apologies if I misunderstood your intent. You were questioning why I'm asking these kinds of questions. I answered why. We disagree. It seemed to me I have an interest in an area you feel is unnecessary to bother with. That's ok.

You mentioned that you 'liked to learn' in your response, and the best way to learn in my experience it to assimilate opinions that aren't congruent with your own.


I've heard many replies over the years waxing about the beauty of harmonious, emotional, empathic, trusting, one-ness of sex. That's well and good and I agree with all those things making sex superior. I'm not trying to denigrate such answers in any way.

I just don't learn anything new from them.

I don't learn from everyone who posts non-congruent opinions. I learn when the non-congruent opinions or experiences heard are not ones I haven't heard plenty of times before.

But again thank you Big Dreamer. I don't wish to denigrate yours or anyone elses replies! That is absolutely not my intent and I'm very sorry if I've given anyone that impression. Any man who bothers to answer at all - yes, even if it totally deviates from what I'm curious about - is still appreciated.

Thank you all so much.
 

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Hi,

I'm a bit new here but I figure this forum is the best place to post my questions.

I've been reading a new book and it's got me thinking. Specifically about kitties (No...not the kind that likes to chase mice. :tongue:). The author was discussing the diversity and variety of how so many different women's kitties feel.

So now I'm wondering and would like to hear from the guys:

A) Can you describe the differences you've encountered? bumpy? smooth? velvet? tough and dry? leathery?

Not something I think about that deeply very often, but I think I get what your asking. Don't believe I've experienced bumpy or leathery...well I hope not. Most have probably been smooth or velvety, or a mixture of the two. Smooth to me would be generally tight, toned, and accomodating. If I had to choose, I suppose this is what I'd prefer, although they can be tough to handle. They tend to make me have to "fight" from ejaculating too soon...and I can hold back generally very well under most circumstances. Velvety would be not as tight, but toned enough that I can feel it I guess. As a guy who likes to go at it for a long time, these are best. The grip isn't nearly as tight, but wetness, warmness, and going balls deep make up for it. Thing is though, my most memorable have been with both. I was with a tough and dry fairly recently. Initial penetration and even minutes after almost felt like driving my penis through a wall. By far the most painful, and at the same time, the most intense experience I've ever had. Somewhere between hell and heaven, but not sure which applied when. Can't say it was something I'd ever want to relive ever again, but it did have its moments to be honest.

B) Can you notice a difference in the same woman over her monthly cycle? Are some times better than others? Does diet have any influence over how it feels (ex: do vegetarian women's kitties feel better than omnivore women?) Do some ethnicities generally have better 'feels-great' kitties than others?

Haven't really had many lengthy relationships, so I'm unsure about the monthly thing. I doubt diet matters. Your gonna get me in trouble with the ethnicities part. I've been with a few Asian women, and they were the smoothest/tightest from what I can remember, although not all were.

C) Have you ever encountered a truly superstar kitty? You know...one that just shatters the scale it was so fantastic and superior to every other woman you'd slept with? If so, what made it off-the-scale-fantastically superior?

Yes two tight kitties that seemed to fit my penis perfectly, plus two pregnant women whose kitties felt as good as any I've ever felt then and now. The contrasts couldn't have been any different, but the sensations were equally nirvana. The vagina is an amazing body part is all I gotta say.

D) Does a higher temperature contribute to it feeling better? Say..same kitty but would elevated body temp (like after vigorous exercise) make it feel better all other factors staying the same?

Well the sweatier the sex, the better it seems to get and especially feel. I'd say the elevated skin temperature under such occasions adds to heightened sensations also. For whatever reason, the vagina does seem to feel better. So yes, I'm definitely for sweaty sex. Not sure about any other aspect though.

E) Why - if there truly is this huge variety in 'feel' - is it never really discussed? And more specifically why has there not been built up an information net to inform women of trying to come closer to the 'superstar kitty' effect? And no I'm not talking about kegels or resistance training devices..I mean going beyond those things. Example: Why is there no such thing as an internal vaginal pump? You know..insert like a tampon then suction the diameter of a woman's kitty smaller.

See I don't think there is a huge variety in feel, more just different feels. I don't know, I always sort of thought it was the natural order of things. Other than kegels or other exercises, I'm not sure there is another way. Well I do believe women can learn to fuck better themselves by simply taking the lead more. Men, well this one at least, like to be fucked too. And by doing so, I'd think their vaginas would get a workout like no other. I'm sure it might help, I know it'd help me personally.

Why do I never hear men really discussing the quality of women's kitties? They always seem more focused on their own equipment. Is it fear or propriety that it's not discussed? Just not knowing how to make women's kitties a better experience for men?

Men do talk about it, but never in a real way. Thing is, I've never heard the words "bad vagina" ever menioned...not once. Fear and propriety probably play a part, but it's usually just macho bs. To be quite honest, the guys that usually want to talk openly about sex in any manner, are usually the guys I don't want to listen talk about it. I can usually only take so much, and I get the feeling a lot of the guys watch the history channel just a little too much.

Sorry if all of this seems over the top. I'm just curious and would truly like to know if you guys know any tips, tricks, techniques (beyond kegels, stone eggs, ben wa balls, etc) for a woman to try to get closer to being one of the superstars.

Without the exercises, not sure there is much else you can do. Not sure they can be changed or enhanced that "much" anyway, even with the exercises. Now getting more proactive and taking the lead can do wonders I believe. Learning how to fuck shouldn't be just a male requirement. Maybe the best way to make your kitty a superstar. Other than those things, your probably just have to find the perfect or near perfect penis for it.

As you can probably guess I'm not one of these off-the-scale kitty women the author of the book mentions. I figure if I was somebody would've said something by now. He says in his experience such kitties are quite rare - like on the order of 20:1 or more. But when you finally get a woman with one of these superstar kitties you will absolutely know the difference. There will be no mistaking it's several orders of magnitude better than anything you'll have ever experienced with any other woman.

I don't know, but I think that is a severe overstatement. I don't really reminiscence that much or often about past experiences or kitties. I prefer to live the moment right then. I suppose that could be good with some longterm relationships, but to be perfectly honestly, I'm not "that" hard to please. I suppose some feel better than others, but I can honestly say my penis has never met a vagina it didn't love being inside of. Hell that's the easy part really. The hard part is finding a woman that is right for me.

So I'm curious to know...why do men never discuss this? Or do they simply not discuss it if there's ever a chance a woman might overhear?

Again such sex talk among men is usually just macho bs or men "running their mouths." Men rarely talk serious about sex or anything sexual among themselves. It's rarely ever deep. Mostly about them/us being great in bed, getting lots of sex from women, and us all having huge penises. I'd love to just one day break out a lie-detector test during one of these brilliant conversations, but I'm afraid the machine would self-explode after the first few minutes.
 

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Dear Valkyriessong!
You seem very concerned in knowing about this misterious "superstar kitty"; how to put this in really good english?
For me there are two points:
1. Awareness
2. Connection
First of all, any woman that is IN TOUCH with her pussy has clear advantages to other women. A woman who knows her body, knows how her vagina works, knows what her vagina needs and how she feels; it is like a relationship but not the kind of : i say to my pussy what i need and "she" has to do it following my orders; no, it is a relationship equal in both directions if you can understand me.
And second, there is a connection between a man and a woman and also a connection between his cock and her pussy/kitty. To define this "connection" (or call it match if you want) we can use measurable facts and discuss about friction, thigtness and so on... but further than that there is the "hidden" part of the story consisting specifically in the FEELINGS felt by each of the sexual organs of the persons involved.
It is as if the pussy and the cock had a conscience of their own about the feelings towards each other ( asume for a while, like oriental disciplines teach us, that each part of the body can "think" and "feel" and "react" in his own way ). Then, we have the measurable facts and stats and those "facts or factors" we can not define phisically, easily, with numbers and "logic"and on the other hand we have the amount of emotions , feelings and the body language that goes beyond the "rational". So, in my vision we have to consider all the inouts together. To achieve the "superstar kitty effect": if my cock connects-relates to a specific pussy in a way that results in an "optimum" state of being-feeling (which i am not controlling) thats the best lovemaking situation, thats the "superstar" kitty-pussy, involving incredible feelings of satisfaction, confidence and beauty:redface: . And, that´s the point: that "state of maximum well being-feeling" has nothing to do with measurable thightness, loosenes, skills, strong muscles (this is secondary).
The problem here is that: to define the "superior kitty experience" objectively is not possible separating- isolating it from the subjective experience my cock is having with the pussy of a real world-specific girl.
As i said, it is a decision that belongs rather to my cock than to my mind/rationality to define and clarify.
In my opinion the experience with a "superstar" or beautiful pussy is based on harmony, total trust, confidence and ONENESS.The physical explanation only is too limited to understand the amount of factors involved. I hope my comments were useful to you.:rolleyes:
xxx
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daniel

Dude, who are you, Yanni? You make sex seem like some out of body experience. I plan on going "in her body." Deeply. And repeatedly. And that might create temporary dellusions on her part or day dreams at a later date, but that's about as far as I'm gonna take it. Fucking and feelings are two way different things.
 

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Some older guy once told me "all cat's are grey in the dark".

With the exception of those rare "inexplicably cavernous" (I dated a woman who had three kids who was as tight as a tax accountant, but there have been one or two lasses who, alas, could've taken in two or three of me easily) or the completely inexperienced (I have never, ever been able to take a woman's virginity...tried three times and they just could not handle it), I find about 90% of the pleasure is mental.

If a woman turns me on it generally feels wonderful inside of her.

If I find myself in a situation where I am "pushing it" to justify sex with her, well, it usually kind of sucks.

I don't concur with the old adage - "sex is like pizza".
 

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I always heard, [SIZE=-1]“sex is like pizza. Even if it’s bad it’s still pretty good."

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]:18:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] at Riftalope's latest post.
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Hmmm. That's a terrible expression. Bad sex isn't pretty good to me. I had some twice. And almost had some on two other ocasions. It was terrible and confusing. Bad pizza is worse!
 

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Hmmm. That's a terrible expression. Bad sex isn't pretty good to me. I had some twice. And almost had some on two other ocasions. It was terrible and confusing. Bad pizza is worse!

I concur. I've always felt this was a stupid expression. I think the use of this expression indicates the quality of lovemaking one can expect. Stale.
 

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Hi,

I'm a bit new here but I figure this forum is the best place to post my questions.

I've been reading a new book and it's got me thinking. Specifically about kitties (No...not the kind that likes to chase mice. :tongue:). The author was discussing the diversity and variety of how so many different women's kitties feel.

So now I'm wondering and would like to hear from the guys:

A) Can you describe the differences you've encountered? bumpy? smooth? velvet? tough and dry? leathery?

:confused: :confused: Are you a lesbian???

So I'm curious to know...why do men never discuss this? Or do they simply not discuss it if there's ever a chance a woman might overhear?

:confused: :confused: Is this an appropriate question to discuss this topic, say, at work?!
 

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well here goes,some are liiken to hoover vacum cleaners others..steel traps.and i must agree kitty is a more DECENT TERM! on the flip side.. ive encountered 18 year olds that were like sticking it out a window'[yes' very high mileage!and 50 year olds who were soo tight they'd squeak when they walk.the kitty is like the lady herself..each is very unique!
 

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:confused: :confused: Are you a lesbian???

:confused: :confused: Is this an appropriate question to discuss this topic, say, at work?!

TexasBeauty, you're new so I'll give you some leeway here. But until you get to know the members and let us get to know you, how about not trying to denigrate someone for asking questions.

OK?