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Snakebyte said:
Therefore the bastards of rome and greece used to practice sex with little boys. I am very glad that time has changed!
I just knew we shouldn't have left the lions out overnight, I told Nero they'd catch their death of cold, I did and I was right.
Snakebyte, before you go postal on me (American for getting upset), please read my comments in the old thread "Help me please". That will tell you exactly what I think about sexual predators.
Having said that, can we please put the political correctness bullshit behind us? In Germany, it is forbidden for someone over the age of 16 to have sex with someone under the age of 16. For a person in a position of authority or trust (teacher, nurse, doctor, etc.) it is absolutely forbidden to abuse this position to have sex with anyone in a professional context, regardless of age. Okay? Sounds reasonable, right?
Well - where I grew up in the US, there was no problem for two kids to get married as long as they were at least 12 years old and both sets of parents said they could.
Where my grandfather comes from - it was common well into the 20th century for first cousins to marry. Oh, sorry - that was just right around the corner from where you live. Tee-hee, those happy-go-lucky Celts. No wonder we all have red hair, freckles and big cocks. Unless were black. Then we all have black hair, blue eyes and even bigger cocks.
Sexual mores are not something cast in concrete - they change over time. The only thing which doesn't change is the firm belief of each person in their own cultural context that their - and only their - concepts are right, everyone else is and was wrong, dirty, nasty, perverted and deserving of punishment, dismemberment and death - to the bastards.
As I was saying, just the other day to Constantine. "Don't trust those christians. They are way too tripped out on punishing fun and joy. Look at their symbol - a device for torture." But did he listen? No, sir, he did not...and with the lions all sniffly and coughy, well...we all know how that one ended.
 

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HickBoy said:
Si me decet immortalia verba usurpare Marci Aurelii, imperatoris illustris philsophici, certe apdu me in honore eris, cras mane.
Sorry, HickBoy, the only thing I hold in honour any morning is a cup of coffe. Make it two...I apologize, but I have forgotten "apdu"...
The undying words of the usurper Marcus Aurelius, illustrius poet-king, of course to be held in honour...on the morn...
Hum, seven years of Latin and I can't even do something this simple. Help! To have my honour in the morning?
Drat.
I may just have to relearn Latin.
 

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panthera said:
In Germany, it is forbidden for someone over the age of 16 to have sex with someone under the age of 16.
Sorry to say but that's not true at all. I'm from Germany btw. As long as both partners agree to have sex and both of em are mentally developed enough to know what they are doing it isn't illegal. That's different in case you're an adult.
 

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Let's face it. Eighteen is an age in America for voting. So in many many localities it has become the age to separate sex between adults and chidlren. Sexual predators are people who take sexual advantage of another person period, regarless of age or gender.

Of course the greater the distance in the two humans in mental ability to understand what is happening the greater harm the predator has done.

It is my understanding in ancicnt Greece that the "boy" was mature sexually. Since nudity was the norm. The sports events were in the nude with only males past puberty present. So it was a sexual and mental development rather than age that was the criteria for sexual relations between a younger male and an older male mentor.

In American culture it is considered sexual harassment for a superior in any position to make sexual adavances over another person below them. There are strict guidlines even for adults to follow where there is an unequal situation.

Of course sexual activity by children who haven't gone through puberty with an person considered an adult has been considered wrong by most cultures.
 

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Snakebyte said:
Sorry to say but that's not true at all. I'm from Germany btw. As long as both partners agree to have sex and both of em are mentally developed enough to know what they are doing it isn't illegal. That's different in case you're an adult.
Sorry Snakebyte, but at least here in Bayern, even consentual sex between people under 16 and people over 16 is verboten. Absolut.
Now, two people under 16 who consent, yes - that is ok. Not ok is when a 20 year old man diddles his best friends 15 year old sister (or brother). At least, that is what my colleague who teaches Social Workers told me. (Aber bei uns gehen die Uhren ohnehin anders, wer weiß...)
 

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ok, bavaria isn't Germany, we all know that :D A (female) friend of mine studies jura and told me how it really is written down in law. I don't get it anyway. Think about a 15 year old with a 13 year old gf having sex. Now the 15 year old turns 16.. Bang! now it's illegal? :p german/bavarian laws are strange sometimes :D But at least in the other "bundesländern" it is not that way you described ;)
 

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Snakebyte said:
ok, bavaria isn't Germany, we all know that :D A (female) friend of mine studies jura and told me how it really is written down in law. I don't get it anyway. Think about a 15 year old with a 13 year old gf having sex. Now the 15 year old turns 16.. Bang! now it's illegal? :p german/bavarian laws are strange sometimes :D But at least in the other "bundesländern" it is not that way you described ;)
It is safe to say that nothing is the same between "Germany" and " Bavaria".
*smile*
A seriously good question, that - just rang my colleague to ask. She said the Staatsanwaltschaft (DA?) usually has enough common sense to tell the difference between when two young lovers how have gone from legal to illegal overnight and a jerk exploiting a young girl.
But that is besides the point - what I wanted to say was, the idea of what is right and what is wrong varies from culture to culture, time to time. I am very much against sexual predators (see my earlier posts). If I understand correctly, the relationships in Roman and Greece were not only very formally regulated, they also were based more on maturity than calander years.
And anyway you cut it, we have it so much better in Germany than the poor folks do in the 'States right now. Wer hätte das je gedacht?
 

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me! :D

Well, I like ya, fun to discuss with you :)

ja, I mag di au...
Which is enough *German* for this site for one evening. We get German, Latin, Spanish and French going here - of course, Dr. Rock speaks English...
This is one of the best places to think and play in the whole 'net world. We are up to our ... in snow here in Munich, how's it look where you're at?
If this keeps up, I won't mind being ill in bed the whole week...
 

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almost 10°C here and no snow at all. Cloudy though... at least no rain :smile:
And yes, you're right. Except some lil trolls the members here are quite nice what isn't that normal for the internet.